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DJINN leukoplast
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Posted - 2013.01.31 00:43:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:The Gek does the same damage as the standard Assault Rifle with a 5% damage mod...so, yea. That's really the end of that.
^ This.
It's not so much that the Gek is OP (which it certainly is not, as pointed out above) but it's the fact that the person using the Gek took a bit of time to spec into it, therefore they are more experienced with the game.
I personally am glad more players are taking out their Geks. I am getting tired of being insta-killed by militia and exile AR's, but I can appreciate being insta-killed by a Gek because I know the player is risking some ISK/Aur on their suit to use it.
The weapon flattening is pretty lame, there really isn't much reason to choose the Gek over standard, but it does make sense to go from standard to Duvoll (which is wrong). Needs to go back to 30-33-36. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc
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Posted - 2013.02.03 01:05:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:OMG this, this post is soooo right, gek is totally op. Today I went against this kid at my viziams optimal and after at full heat, before I got his shields downed I was dead, But but I have over 300 shield and 200 armor and I has my viziam at max heat....DAMN GEK. Come to find out, kid was stacking damage mods for the mega bonus it gives, nearly 100 damage a shot  so OP.
On what crazy suit allows somebody to stack 20 complex damage mods? (the amount needed to get nearly 100 HP per bullet on a Gek)
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DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc
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Posted - 2013.02.03 07:31:00 -
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Here is the post you refer to.
Ten-Sidhe wrote:Current damage with 3 damage modes and weaponry level 5 and gun damage skill at lv5
100*1.1*1.1*1.1*1.1*1.15=168.3715%
Percentage bonus are multiplied not added, so it's worse then the 55% people add up by adding bonus together
Honestly, I am not understanding the math here. Why is there a 100 there? Shouldn't it start with a base of 1? Pretty sure all our weapons arent getting a +100% damage boost by default. At 1.0 without any damage mods, a Gek at 32.5 Hp would be a Gek with 32.5 HP. Add a 10% complex damage mod and it is now 1.1
With 3 complex mods, weaponry lv5 and proficiency at lvl5, shouldn't it look like this?
1 * 1.1 * 1.1 * 1.1 * 1.1 * 1.15 = 1.683715
which = roughly 68% above the base damage multiplier of 1
68% makes a whole heck of a lot more sense than 168%. In my current setup, if I stack a Gek with two damage mods + weaponry at lvl5, I get an additional 33%. So my Gek goes from 32.5 HP to 43.225 HP.
If I use Ten's math, my Gek would have a 133% damage multiplier at 75.725 HP (32.5 * 1.33) + (32.5)
Sorry, but I really doubt this. Your saying my Gek should shoot out bullets as damaging as a standard scrambler pistol? I've used the scrambler, and I've used my Gek with two 10% mods many times, and I assure you I am not putting out 75 HP a bullet.
There is not a huge difference difference between using my Gek with two 10% mods vs an alt character with no skills in AR damage at all. Because I am still able to bring down an enemy with a 100% militia frontline suit just about as fast. The difference between 75 HP a bullet vs 31 HP a bullet should be a lot more noticeable, wouldn't you think?
Sorry, to totally debunk your theory. The percentages for the damage mods are definitely broken, but not THAT broken 
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DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc
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Posted - 2013.02.04 05:20:00 -
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fred orpaul wrote:
You are STUPID! you did the same math and came out with the same answer you stupid ****!!!!
TLDR
you are a moron yes its not 160some odd% more its 60someodd% more OR as the guy you were quoting was saying from ONE HUNDRED PERCENT DAMAGE it scales to ONE HUNDED AND SIXTY SOME ODD%
beacuase the gun has 100% and gains 60someodd% = 160someodd%(note not 55%gain or 155%) or instead of it being .6the original......you know what Im just gonna TLDR this
Hey smarts, how about you follow the bread crumbs of where the conversation started?
I'll link it for you.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=517769#post517769
YOUR NAME HERE was claiming that somebody had nearly 100 HP a bullet on their Gek due to stacking. I made a reply and basically stated that somebody would need a suit with about 20 high-power slots to accommodate 20 complex damage mods to reach 100 HP per bullet from a Gek.
He then replied and linked to this, pointing out that the math proves it.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=512176#post512176
So then I replied with the post you haphazardly attacked, showing that it is at most a 68% bonus and NOT a 165% bonus.
Also yes, the gun technically starts at "100%" and gains percent. But 100% is represented by a 1 in a mathematical equation, not 100.
EDIT: Changed a few words to be more precise. |
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