Damn glass cannon builds if they only had a weakness.

OMG this, this post is soooo right, gek is totally op.

Today I went against this kid at my viziams optimal and after at full heat, before I got his shields downed I was dead,

But but I have over 300 shield and 200 armor and I has my viziam at max heat....DAMN GEK.

Come to find out, kid was stacking damage mods for the mega bonus it gives, nearly 100 damage a shot so OP.

On what crazy suit allows somebody to stack 20 complex damage mods? (the amount needed to get nearly 100 HP per bullet on a Gek)

Aaaah so you don't know, let me direct you to a thread, expect edit.

Please read the below posts where people have so kindly done the math.


https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=511836#post511836

Current damage with 3 damage modes and weaponry level 5 and gun damage skill at lv5
100*1.1*1.1*1.1*1.1*1.15=168.3715%

Percentage bonus are multiplied not added, so it's worse then the 55% people add up by adding bonus together

Please dont call weapons that actually you have to work for(Skill point wise) OP... Its a ton of skill points to upgrade to the GEK variant. And its supposed to be strong. Its the GEK for crying out loud.

Its most definitely not OP.
Reason why-

1- It takes a lot of skill points too obtain
2- If the dev's reduce its power then it will basically be the assault rifle, (If this happens I will Rage quit)
3- Its the GEK Variant. It is meant to be powerful, better then the reguler assault rifle variant



Once again please refrain from calling hard to get variant weapons OP... Its annoying

Here is the post you refer to.






Honestly, I am not understanding the math here. Why is there a 100 there? Shouldn't it start with a base of 1? Pretty sure all our weapons arent getting a +100% damage boost by default. At 1.0 without any damage mods, a Gek at 32.5 Hp would be a Gek with 32.5 HP. Add a 10% complex damage mod and it is now 1.1

With 3 complex mods, weaponry lv5 and proficiency at lvl5, shouldn't it look like this?

1 * 1.1 * 1.1 * 1.1 * 1.1 * 1.15 = 1.683715
which = roughly 68% above the base damage multiplier of 1


68% makes a whole heck of a lot more sense than 168%. In my current setup, if I stack a Gek with two damage mods + weaponry at lvl5, I get an additional 33%. So my Gek goes from 32.5 HP to 43.225 HP.

If I use Ten's math, my Gek would have a 133% damage multiplier at 75.725 HP (32.5 * 1.33) + (32.5)


Sorry, but I really doubt this. Your saying my Gek should shoot out bullets as damaging as a standard scrambler pistol? I've used the scrambler, and I've used my Gek with two 10% mods many times, and I assure you I am not putting out 75 HP a bullet.


There is not a huge difference difference between using my Gek with two 10% mods vs an alt character with no skills in AR damage at all. Because I am still able to bring down an enemy with a 100% militia frontline suit just about as fast. The difference between 75 HP a bullet vs 31 HP a bullet should be a lot more noticeable, wouldn't you think?



Sorry, to totally debunk your theory. The percentages for the damage mods are definitely broken, but not THAT broken

Wow I use this weapon and I think its way overpowered.

Half a clip to take out most heavies.. nom nom nom

You are STUPID! you did the same math and came out with the same answer you stupid ****!!!!

TLDR

you are a moron yes its not 160some odd% more its 60someodd% more OR as the guy you were quoting was saying from ONE HUNDRED PERCENT DAMAGE it scales to ONE HUNDED AND SIXTY SOME ODD%

beacuase the gun has 100% and gains 60someodd% = 160someodd%(note not 55%gain or 155%) or instead of it being .6the original......you know what Im just gonna TLDR this

How can you confirm that the posted stats are the actual stats of the gun. Since there is no practice type mode or way to really test this, how do we really know that these numbers in the mathamatical equation are correct?

jesus dude why dont you ask something like "how do you know the earth is round if i cant see it?" If your going to question the stats that the game has to offer then this thread doesn't have a whole lot of point to it IMO. Could it be that CCP slipped up and put the wrong information in?? maybe, but i doubt it. The Gek to me is like any other advanced weapon...... its profficient at killing people in the way it was designed to kill people. thats all there is to it.

So this thread is moved to feedback? Well maybe they are finally going to nerf it then

I see more people in general discussion agreeing the geek is op

Cuz they run militia gear and expect to beat someone with assault type 2 dropsuit with a gek...sorry guys militia should have disadvantages to advanced stuff

Amen to that. Thought it was stupid that they lowered the proto AR damage in the last go and raised the militia/base lvl versions. The thing people forget at the end of the day it doesn't matter what weapon someone is using, if they're better with it than you are with yours you're dead plain and simple. They all come and jump on here yelling op just because there are guys out there with good gun game that drop you with AR's.

I wouldn't say the gun is *overpowered* in a traditional sense.
I'd say it's a real shame that the generic staple of shooters (the assault rifle) is arguably the best weapon for the job.

- They have no penalizing drawbacks
- Theyre effective range overlaps lasers pretty hard
- Theyre pretty good from the hip during CQB
- They have relatively low fitting requirements
- Theyre extremely accurate at long range
- They have no penalizing drawbacks (ie: death by overheating)

I see a couple options that I would see as a fair change of pace.
1. Reduce their range to somewhere around the Breach Rifle, leaving the Tactical & Burst Variants as longer range types.
2. Reduce the magazine size of the base-line ARs