Well I didn't spend my Aur stupidly so no problem with that here but as I said, you get our aurum reset you get your char reset, otherwise you're getting the advantage of aurum boosters twice without paying for it.

This was the offer, if you don't like it, take it up with CCP. They offered it, we bought it, now they realize it was a bad idea and just keep our money.

And now the counter-argument being made is that, not only should we get screwed if we don't ask for a refund, but if we DO we lose all of our skill points? Why does this seem fair to you people?

no you got absolutely everything you paid for. you get to use the aurum how ever you see fit. what noc is asking for is that he get to use up all the aur he has now on boosters/gear etc and gaing sp/isk off of it, then have it all restored at a later date so that he can use it a second time. explain to me how that logic

Again, take it up with CCP, it's not MY problem that their offer was illogical.

if mommy tells you to slow down on the cookies due to her not making anymore, the kids tend to listen.

Hello guys,

Just a quick clarification: there will be no more resets of any kind since we fully moved to Tranquility.
The description that you see on AUR items in the marketplace right now will be removed during todayGÇÖs Open Beta downtime to reflect this.

Thank you.

Again, take it up with CCP, it's not MY problem that their offer was illogical.

Again, take it up with CCP, it's not MY problem that their offer was illogical.

I'd actually prefer to keep SP and let them keep their AUR. Whats $20 vs hours spent grinding skill points.

However, I do feel people were screwed over in that they were not flat out told, in writing, (link the post if you dispute this, thanks) that the last reset was the final reset for both characters and AUR.

"You should have known" Sorry my magic 8-ball was broken.

"It was mentioned third-hand from (insert random IRC channel) at (insert random time)" Oh..Well shame on me for not being in IRC or accepting info from anyone other than CCP directly.

Hello guys,

Just a quick clarification: there will be no more resets of any kind since we fully moved to Tranquility.
The description that you see on AUR items in the marketplace right now will be removed during todayGÇÖs Open Beta downtime to reflect this.

Thank you.

I'm sure you don't mean these changes in descriptions would also affect the terms for those who have already bought the items previously? Since, you know, that would be illegal. You can't change a contract after-the-fact without a meeting of minds and both parties agreeing to it.

For those who plan on asking for reimbursements, take screenshots or photos of the pages in question so you have some proof, since CCP seems to try to hide this under a rug.

I have two merc packs (one that I can't use, but that's another topic), and I have no plans on asking for reimbursements since I have only spent money on boosters and the cheap AUR items.

In any case, really poor communication from CCP.

u know those 2 things you hit X on when getting into BETa game? those say they can do whatever they want :D

Unfortunately that was part of the contract, the contract holder has the ability to change it to whatever without having to notify you.
I mean how man of you read though your credit card contracts or bank contracts? There is such clause in there. The most memorable exercise in this power was by Bank of America hiking fees and the news broke out over it. Of course it was a bad move on BoA's side but none the less it shows its a power they have and reserve to whenever they feel like.

Almost every EULA I ever read has also included this also if you been noticing the nature of betas these days quite of few of them are money grabs and money spent during beta are never refunded ,ever. Just we're lucky to have a refund with every reset so far until the 'last' recent which I actually treated as the 'last' reset so I made sure I spent my aurum wisely.

Maybe that works in America, but not in EU.

Lol ... that works in ANY contract ... if it says they can change it without notice and you've agreed to it by clicking X.

Good luck in court !

Did I summarize this correctly?

This definitely appears to be unethical behavior on the part of the gamer....who is just trying to complain about terms being used by CCP because CCP doesnt want new players to look at this as the final release since they are still going to be doing alot of changes.

No. You summarized it pretty much the opposite of what we've been discussing for four pages.



It's definitely unethical behavior, but not from players; from CCP. This is only until they clarify the terms and don't try to retroactively change advertised features - namely refunding AUR at commercial launch. Open beta is open beta, not commercial launch, no matter what CCP fanbois claim.

Right now it looks like they're trying to pull a bait and switch, and not delivering on their promise.

Our side of the argument is simple: you were warned there were no more wipes, which obviously ment no more AUR reimbursements. The only people who have a right to complain are the ones who don't use the forums or actively seek dust info.

And commercial launch is when a game goes public - never really states a completed product.

Terms say CCP has to give us all out AUR back on commercial release (which would be TODAY if open beta is release) OR they have to give equal value in compensation (so they have to give you 20$ in game content if you bought the merc pack) that is legally binding and there is no way around it.

This. Anyone who disagrees are ******* idiots, read the dev posts, they said this will be last reset; Why do you expect to boost yourself with merc pack aur and then get the aur back, and yet not sp reset at some later "release"?


You clearly didn't read the terms of use that got spit out at you everytime you got onto the game for months. They have the right to change the game at any time for any reason with no notice.

You clearly didn't read the terms of use that got spit out at you everytime you got onto the game for months. They have the right to change the game at any time for any reason with no notice.

I'd actually prefer to keep SP and let them keep their AUR. Whats $20 vs hours spent grinding skill points.

However, I do feel people were screwed over in that they were not flat out told, in writing, (link the post if you dispute this, thanks) that the last reset was the final reset for both characters and AUR.

"You should have known" Sorry my magic 8-ball was broken.

"It was mentioned third-hand from (insert random IRC channel) at (insert random time)" Oh..Well shame on me for not being in IRC or accepting info from anyone other than CCP directly.