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SoTa PoP
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Posted - 2013.01.21 23:32:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Look forward to my petitions, and a full refund from SOE if necessary. Not likely to happen, as with most digital sales they're all final. Most they would do is tell you to tell ccp to restore bought items. Fair enough, CCP restoring my items after commercial release is officially announced is all I want. Yeah, it's pretty simple really. All they have to do is actually give us what we paid for. Which is the full Merc pack AT COMMERCIAL RELEASE. Does no one else remember thread after thread and comment after comment about how the Merc Pack was there so that we could pre-order items for the official commercial release? I believe it was the standard response to the accusation that CCP was charging people for a spot in a closed beta. Well, I guess we now see who was right all along. honestly, what bothers me the most, is that I was one of the people defending the Merc Pack, and now CCP has made a liar and a fool out of me. It's gonna make it that much harder for me to trust them next time, and MUCH less likely to actually spend money on AUR and items in the future. I see no mention on the internet after searching for about 30 minutes where sony or CCP has stated dust514 has been commercially released. Personally I am fine because most of my aurum has been spent boosters for sp and they aren't taking my sp back. However, I think players to bough any othe items have legit claims for reimbursement. This is failed communication in my mind and frankly really really dirty by ccp. We were giong to spend the aurum anways whats 2 weeks worth make a difference ccp? I have am considering jsut not buying more merc packs because of this as I have enough aurum and sp booster to get me a good amount of sp. By then the daily amount shouldn't matter to me much My only comment is that CCP has stated it was the last wipe before the wipe ever happened. If people spent there AUR unwisely the fault is soley on them. They were warned by numerous threads and they could read announcements. It's the same to those who are going to feel slighted when the new build comes out and a lot of SP may go to waste. |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 00:15:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:SoTa PoP wrote: My only comment is that CCP has stated it was the last wipe before the wipe ever happened. If people spent there AUR unwisely the fault is soley on them. They were warned by numerous threads and they could read announcements. It's the same to those who are going to feel slighted when the new build comes out and a lot of SP may go to waste.
"hey guys, we warned you on the internet that we weren't going to honor your purchase (after you already made it), therefore we get to keep your money and don't have to give you the product you were promised" amirite? Want to explain that logic? Didn't realize buying something now made it vanish instantly. Or are you not getting what your purchasing? |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 00:16:00 -
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D'Finn Rhedlyne wrote:So basically people spent their AUR on, let's say 500 Blindfires, to get themselves an early boost and now they are pizzed because they can't get their AUR back? They're pissed because they didn't feel warned. You'll notice a large number of threads asking about if this is the last wipe. CCP really needed to state these things in game. |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 00:24:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:D'Finn Rhedlyne wrote:So basically people spent their AUR on, let's say 500 Blindfires, to get themselves an early boost and now they are pizzed because they can't get their AUR back? In essense, yes, but only because CCP explicity sold the Merc Pack to us under this arrangement. It stated in no uncertain terms, that we would get all of the Merc Pack items replenished at the Commercial Release of the game. This is an instance though where Hanlon's Razor should be applied: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" I don't think anyone here thinks they have done this on purpose, regardless of the strawman arguments being lobbed at us. What's happening is, CCP is dropping the ball and failing to communicate clearly and effectively with THEIR PAYING CUSTOMERS. I don't see why it's unreasonable for people to expect CCP to honor the purchase agreement they made with us. Our side of the argument is simple: you were warned there were no more wipes, which obviously ment no more AUR reimbursements. The only people who have a right to complain are the ones who don't use the forums or actively seek dust info.
And commercial launch is when a game goes public - never really states a completed product. |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 00:46:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Baal Roo wrote:D'Finn Rhedlyne wrote:So basically people spent their AUR on, let's say 500 Blindfires, to get themselves an early boost and now they are pizzed because they can't get their AUR back? In essense, yes, but only because CCP explicity sold the Merc Pack to us under this arrangement. It stated in no uncertain terms, that we would get all of the Merc Pack items replenished at the Commercial Release of the game. This is an instance though where Hanlon's Razor should be applied: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" I don't think anyone here thinks they have done this on purpose, regardless of the strawman arguments being lobbed at us. What's happening is, CCP is dropping the ball and failing to communicate clearly and effectively with THEIR PAYING CUSTOMERS. I don't see why it's unreasonable for people to expect CCP to honor the purchase agreement they made with us. Our side of the argument is simple: you were warned there were no more wipes, which obviously ment no more AUR reimbursements. The only people who have a right to complain are the ones who don't use the forums or actively seek dust info. And commercial launch is when a game goes public - never really states a completed product. CCP Frame has already clarified that the open beta IS NOT the commercial launch. "No more wipes" has absolutely nothing to do with the merc pack, and it is absolutely not in any way obvious that they meant they were also changing the Merc Pack and would not be honoring the product that we purchased. "They warned you that they were not going to honor the agreement, therefore they don't have to honor the agreement" is just a nonsense argument. Furthermore, you are conceding that anyone who DOES NOT actively search out this info has a right to complain. So, as far as I'm concerned, you've already completely undermined the validity of "your side" of the discussion. A person would need to actively search out the info in order to find out theterms of the purchase have been altered, in an EXTREMELY FUNDAMENTAL way, to the point that it is basically a different product than the one advertised. Super classy of CCP.
If CCP wants to change terminology that's fine - but I don't take one post from one CCP as the expressive opinion. Especially concerning delicate matters like this. But then again - I don't know Frame or his position. But you're right on some things. I can't validate any argument on CCP's side. They played bad business making moves like this without at least some sort of email or mass in game mail or warning. |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 05:40:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:CCP Frame wrote:Hello guys,
Just a quick clarification: there will be no more resets of any kind since we fully moved to Tranquility. The description that you see on AUR items in the marketplace right now will be removed during todayGÇÖs Open Beta downtime to reflect this.
Thank you. This STILL doesn't answer the question clearly. All I'm hearing is "yes, you are right. too bad, we're removing the evidence." lmfao! I'm pretty sure to make any purchases on the PSN you have to abide by rules of terms and contracts - and part of it is subject to change.
Pretty dirty CCP. The very least you could do is publicly apologize for not being better communicators over such an obviously important topic. |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 06:46:00 -
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Just thought of something. Me and several others didn't spend our AUR because we were aware of CCP doing this long before now. Where does that put us if they get reimbursed? I demand a "Good job for listening" package if it happens :D |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 07:35:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:if mommy tells you to slow down on the cookies due to her not making anymore, the kids tend to listen. Mommy usually tells them all in person, and not in a thread online. lol |
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