DUST Search - Hold onto your horses. NDA, Open Beta, and Commercial Release and Aurum Resets.

Protoman Is God wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Just got back from a helpful chat from CCP Nullabor via IRC

Essentially 'we think' NDA is getting lifted tomorrow however pending legal team CCP Null did say he poked people and hopefully a full and clear post comes out. So no promises that tomorrow NDA is getting lifted yet. Wait for the official posting declaring such before going hog wild with your crazy LAV surfing skills video.

As for the folks who overspent on Aurum items. The move to TQ on the tenth earlier this month is the 'commercial release' as far as the PSN store items descriptions are concerned thus forth ergo, NO MORE AURUM RESETS. This however does not mean that 'beta is over' as there is much more work to be done but truly means no more resets no more refunds. If you feel you have been wronged in any way I highly encourage to use the petition system tomorrow reasonably and try to negotiate a refund as individuals.

Bottom Line though is that there is a bit of confusion on CCP end as well because CCP Nullabor didn't have the full picture either but at least he was kind enough to poke the people involved in it.

This little gem will continue to live on thanks to Microsoft Word Lol


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Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.01.21 22:31:00 - [1] - Quote Just got back from a helpful chat from CCP Nullabor via IRC Essentially 'we think' NDA is getting lifted tomorrow however pending legal team CCP Null did say he poked people and hopefully a full and clear post comes out. So no promises that tomorrow NDA is getting lifted yet. Wait for the official posting declaring such before going hog wild with your crazy LAV surfing skills video. As for the folks who overspent on Aurum items. The move to TQ on the tenth earlier this month is the 'commercial release' as far as the PSN store items descriptions are concerned thus forth ergo, NO MORE AURUM RESETS. This however does not mean that 'beta is over' as there is much more work to be done but truly means no more resets no more refunds. If you feel you have been wronged in any way I highly encourage to use the petition system tomorrow reasonably and try to negotiate a refund as individuals. Bottom Line though is that there is a bit of confusion on CCP end as well because CCP Nullabor didn't have the full picture either but at least he was kind enough to poke the people involved in it.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.01.21 22:36:00 - [2] - Quote Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: I trust you, not says Yoda. Fixed.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.01.21 22:38:00 - [3] - Quote Bob Deorum wrote: To say that there is not another reset before the final release seems unlikly to me, but I will keep that in mind before I buy 400 90 arum rifles. And if this is true then the way to go is before the change the arum of milite BPO's we should buy like 400 of each and sell them for tons later once the open market starts. We had final reset. There have been no issues other than the occasional server hiccup. The 10th is the last reset we're going to see.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.01.21 22:49:00 - [4] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Says you. it's sad that they don't post this information for the rest of us to see first hand. If they intended to change the Merc Pack on us, they could have at least told us BEFORE hand, rather than telling us after the fact. A sticky or something saying "btw, you will no longer be getting the Merc pack items back at release" would have sufficed. Of course, then people would have thrown a fit and demanded refunds, so better to just not tell anyone, right? Sounds like a petionable problem because i have 2 toxins and 2 dragonflies and couple hundred items
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.01.21 22:50:00 - [5] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Look forward to my petitions, and a full refund from SOE if necessary. Not likely to happen, as with most digital sales they're all final. Most they would do is tell you to tell ccp to restore bought items.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.01.21 23:40:00 - [6] - Quote TBH I don't feel sorry for the aurum spenders who didn't treat the previous reset at the absolute last one.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.01.21 23:53:00 - [7] - Quote Either way if you really do have issues with the aurum, items missing, misconceptions, please please please email support or use the petition system tomorrow to start getting a resolution on the problems.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.01.21 23:58:00 - [8] - Quote D'Finn Rhedlyne wrote: Quick question... What was the initial complaint here? All I see in this thread are people talking about AUR items and merc packs and generally being hacked off about something. Could somebody please clarify the subject matter. Bad wording from CCP & bad assumptions from players meeting together. I can clearly see the complaints but I always sided on the err of caution when it came to complicated chaotic matters such as this. Which is why I am not a victim of any of it and why I am semi-hanging my head in shame for those who did become victims.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.01.22 00:16:00 - [9] - Quote Free Beers wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Either way if you really do have issues with the aurum, items missing, misconceptions, please please please email support or use the petition system tomorrow to start getting a resolution on the problems. sending in petitions to GMs before CCP itself make a statement is pointless. This is why you should have waited for ccp's statement on the forums before posting this ****. I assume they are trying to figure out how to handle it and communicate it. Then give us what if any instructions to remedy it. Next time let them work it out first before rushing to the forums to be "Mr First to Post it" Hey I waited a good 30 minutes before throwing myself on the road, and I asked. Also people are still missing skinweaves, exiles, and merc pac items.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.01.22 00:18:00 - [10] - Quote Moonracer2000 wrote: It would be nice to get some official word on all of this. Right now CCP's definition of "open beta" seems quite different than what the majority of the gaming community would consider. So any argument over what is "beta" and "commercial release" is kind of pointless since CCP are kind of doing whatever they want and calling it whatever they want. It would have been nice to know about the NDA in advance. Hopefully we will get an anouncement when open beta gets here. I would have to agree consoles sort of ruined the word beta.... Its not a glorified demo. Similar to how World of Warcraft ruined the word epic. none the less a very well precisely worded post would end some road rage while inflaming others.

Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.01.22 02:11:00 - [11] - Quote Yet you have CCP Jian saying every build is a release/launch CCP Nullabor who thinks its still a beta and CCP Cmndwang who thinks open beta = release. Someone needs to be running around with a stick at their office setting the story straight.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.01.22 12:30:00 - [12] - Quote Unfortunately that was part of the contract, the contract holder has the ability to change it to whatever without having to notify you. I mean how man of you read though your credit card contracts or bank contracts? There is such clause in there. The most memorable exercise in this power was by Bank of America hiking fees and the news broke out over it. Of course it was a bad move on BoA's side but none the less it shows its a power they have and reserve to whenever they feel like. Almost every EULA I ever read has also included this also if you been noticing the nature of betas these days quite of few of them are money grabs and money spent during beta are never refunded ,ever. Just we're lucky to have a refund with every reset so far until the 'last' recent which I actually treated as the 'last' reset so I made sure I spent my aurum wisely.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.01.23 01:40:00 - [13] - Quote FatalFlaw V1 wrote: I'd actually prefer to keep SP and let them keep their AUR. Whats $20 vs hours spent grinding skill points. However, I do feel people were screwed over in that they were not flat out told, in writing, (link the post if you dispute this, thanks) that the last reset was the final reset for both characters and AUR. "You should have known" Sorry my magic 8-ball was broken. "It was mentioned third-hand from (insert random IRC channel) at (insert random time)" Oh..Well shame on me for not being in IRC or accepting info from anyone other than CCP directly. Front page did mention final reset. CCP Jian on a video interview fumbeled the release words. IRC was just as confused as you where and we have 4 guys in it non stop whining about how they got bent over when everyone else was warning them that 'the 10th was it don't be stupid.' ect. ect. Overall bad wording and bad expectations clashed into an epic misunderstanding. Either way, when it comes to beta I am very very careful heck even in final release be very careful. Remember all those people who paid life time subscriptions for star treck online?
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.01.23 02:28:00 - [14] - Quote Well if you're that upset I say just send in a petition.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3416	Posted - 2013.04.14 17:17:00 - [15] - Quote I swore I requested a thread lock on this. Getting it locked.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3419	Posted - 2013.04.14 18:39:00 - [16] - Quote Protoman Is God wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Just got back from a helpful chat from CCP Nullabor via IRC Essentially 'we think' NDA is getting lifted tomorrow however pending legal team CCP Null did say he poked people and hopefully a full and clear post comes out. So no promises that tomorrow NDA is getting lifted yet. Wait for the official posting declaring such before going hog wild with your crazy LAV surfing skills video. As for the folks who overspent on Aurum items. The move to TQ on the tenth earlier this month is the 'commercial release' as far as the PSN store items descriptions are concerned thus forth ergo, NO MORE AURUM RESETS. This however does not mean that 'beta is over' as there is much more work to be done but truly means no more resets no more refunds. If you feel you have been wronged in any way I highly encourage to use the petition system tomorrow reasonably and try to negotiate a refund as individuals. Bottom Line though is that there is a bit of confusion on CCP end as well because CCP Nullabor didn't have the full picture either but at least he was kind enough to poke the people involved in it. This little gem will continue to live on thanks to Microsoft Word And that is supposed to mean?