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Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.22 10:36:00 -
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CCP Frame wrote:Hello guys,
Just a quick clarification: there will be no more resets of any kind since we fully moved to Tranquility.
The description that you see on AUR items in the marketplace right now will be removed during todayGÇÖs Open Beta downtime to reflect this.
Thank you.
I'm sure you don't mean these changes in descriptions would also affect the terms for those who have already bought the items previously? Since, you know, that would be illegal. You can't change a contract after-the-fact without a meeting of minds and both parties agreeing to it.
For those who plan on asking for reimbursements, take screenshots or photos of the pages in question so you have some proof, since CCP seems to try to hide this under a rug.
I have two merc packs (one that I can't use, but that's another topic), and I have no plans on asking for reimbursements since I have only spent money on boosters and the cheap AUR items.
In any case, really poor communication from CCP. |
Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
363
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Posted - 2013.01.22 10:52:00 -
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ExRDV Pilot wrote:Arramakaian Eka wrote:CCP Frame wrote:Hello guys,
Just a quick clarification: there will be no more resets of any kind since we fully moved to Tranquility.
The description that you see on AUR items in the marketplace right now will be removed during todayGÇÖs Open Beta downtime to reflect this.
Thank you. I'm sure you don't mean these changes in descriptions would also affect the terms for those who have already bought the items previously? Since, you know, that would be illegal. You can't change a contract after-the-fact without a meeting of minds and both parties agreeing to it. For those who plan on asking for reimbursements, take screenshots or photos of the pages in question so you have some proof, since CCP seems to try to hide this under a rug. I have two merc packs (one that I can't use, but that's another topic), and I have no plans on asking for reimbursements since I have only spent money on boosters and the cheap AUR items. In any case, really poor communication from CCP. u know those 2 things you hit X on when getting into BETa game? those say they can do whatever they want :D
No, most certainly they don't. A contract is a contract. |
Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
363
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Posted - 2013.01.22 13:37:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Unfortunately that was part of the contract, the contract holder has the ability to change it to whatever without having to notify you.
I mean how man of you read though your credit card contracts or bank contracts? There is such clause in there. The most memorable exercise in this power was by Bank of America hiking fees and the news broke out over it. Of course it was a bad move on BoA's side but none the less it shows its a power they have and reserve to whenever they feel like.
Almost every EULA I ever read has also included this also if you been noticing the nature of betas these days quite of few of them are money grabs and money spent during beta are never refunded ,ever. Just we're lucky to have a refund with every reset so far until the 'last' recent which I actually treated as the 'last' reset so I made sure I spent my aurum wisely.
Maybe that works in America, but not in EU. |
Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
363
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Posted - 2013.01.22 17:55:00 -
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Needless Sacermendor wrote:Arramakaian Eka wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Unfortunately that was part of the contract, the contract holder has the ability to change it to whatever without having to notify you.
I mean how man of you read though your credit card contracts or bank contracts? There is such clause in there. The most memorable exercise in this power was by Bank of America hiking fees and the news broke out over it. Of course it was a bad move on BoA's side but none the less it shows its a power they have and reserve to whenever they feel like.
Almost every EULA I ever read has also included this also if you been noticing the nature of betas these days quite of few of them are money grabs and money spent during beta are never refunded ,ever. Just we're lucky to have a refund with every reset so far until the 'last' recent which I actually treated as the 'last' reset so I made sure I spent my aurum wisely. Maybe that works in America, but not in EU. Lol ... that works in ANY contract ... if it says they can change it without notice and you've agreed to it by clicking X. Good luck in court !
lol no. You can make any kind of crazy contract you want and sign it, but that won't necessarily mean it's legal and valid. You can't change a contract without mutual agreement to do so, and stipulations giving one party the right to do so are illegal, and thus void.
Oh, and EULAs are not contracts in EU. But this is not about a EULA, but honoring advertised features.
I work with this stuff irl and get paid to do so, so sod off. I'm done with you. |
Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
363
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:18:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Did I summarize this correctly?
No. You summarized it pretty much the opposite of what we've been discussing for four pages.
Quote:This definitely appears to be unethical behavior on the part of the gamer....who is just trying to complain about terms being used by CCP because CCP doesnt want new players to look at this as the final release since they are still going to be doing alot of changes.
It's definitely unethical behavior, but not from players; from CCP. This is only until they clarify the terms and don't try to retroactively change advertised features - namely refunding AUR at commercial launch. Open beta is open beta, not commercial launch, no matter what CCP fanbois claim.
Right now it looks like they're trying to pull a bait and switch, and not delivering on their promise. |
Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
363
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Posted - 2013.01.23 01:20:00 -
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Need Some Triage wrote:You clearly didn't read the terms of use that got spit out at you everytime you got onto the game for months. They have the right to change the game at any time for any reason with no notice.
They can put that in the terms, but that doesn't necessarily make it legally binding or a valid contract.
Advertising that something will be reimbursed at launch is a binding contract, and can't be overridden by some EULA stipulation in small type. |
Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
363
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Posted - 2013.01.23 10:57:00 -
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Winscar Shinobi wrote:Think he is more mad then me.
Actually going through the merc pack, the way it's worded it looks like CCP never intended to wipe for full release and give all the merc stuff back, which I agree is insanely stupid. It would be like giving a free merc pack out. But I find it funny that CCP lied to its players and decide they're just going to try and push it off, and worse is the community is trying to defend them because they don't want to lose their precious items.
Actually an apology from CCP would be welcomed above everything else. You know a "sorry we lied about what we were selling you" something along those lines.
This.
I also don't want to lose my cheaply bought AUR items, but CCP really messed up with messaging here. There was confusion for weeks about what Open Beta means for Merc Pack owners (and others), and we only received conflicting comments hidden deep in threads and IRC transcripts - that's not how you treat paying customers. |
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