Make it use more PG/CPU and you have a winner. Also, make the accuracy while not aimed in much worse, the HMG should be used while walking slowly and being backed by a couple of teammates, not a mini AR.

Ummm... they're named Heavy Machine Gun for a reason.

On the rare occasion I roll out my alt who is specced into heavy, I get tired of "lumbering" around the map. I find a friendly letter and camp it. My goal is to defend the letter and give my squad a safe place to spawn.

I'm not sure why you keep belly-aching about a HMG nerf. If it is so OP why don't you spec into it and use it to your advantage?

Apparently player base has Highlander syndrome and "there can be only one" weapons system capable of killing multiple enemies. When non AR users top the scoreboard it upsets their fragile egos. Keep crying I'm sure you'll enjoy the game more with only three people running around the battle field dancing to the constant sniper fire when you get what you want.

I wouldn't mind that, but doom mode has to go. Doom mode feels so clunky and artificial, and just looks silly, especially considering its lack of animation.

I also think HMGs should give off "flack" in a cone in front of you that deals reduced damage. That way it becomes a true CQC weapon, and you can cut off some of the range. The "cone" would get smaller the longer you fire obviously. Right now, that effect is basically non existent.

LOL, he does not counter any of my points, but instead insist for me to take advantage of a OP weapon.

You heavies are truly a disgusting breed.

Did you ever consider that the HMG is just the way the developers want i.e. this isn't COD maybe they want 3 out of 5 people using a HMG and not an AR. When watching the e3 video heavies are everywhere being supported by assault users.

My alt is a heavy, my main is an assault. There was no reason to counter your invalid points since you obviously didn't read my post.

Ball is in your court.

Make it use more PG/CPU and you have a winner. Also, make the accuracy while not aimed in much worse, the HMG should be used while walking slowly and being backed by a couple of teammates, not a mini AR.

LOL,

you clearly demonstrated how much you do not understand the game. Firstly, when did I ever mention Cod, and I do not even know how it is remotely applicable to this topic.

Heavies are defensive support role designed to hold down positions. Support not slayer. Now why hell would you want 3/5 of your team defending objects.

All Im suggesting pushing the heavy back to its support role, you know the role CCP intended for it to be.

Too bad Heavy weapons already have such a high cpu/pg requirement that fitting them often requires a "sacrifice" somewhere else in the fitting already. That said yes im beginning to think HMG's may need a "tweak" with respect to effective range but i still think it has to do with lag/latency and bullet spread, many times i know im behind an object and still get dropped by a stray bullet when low on health(it's almost like bullets curve around objects, but its either lag/latency or poor object recognition, this is the case with most projectile weapons but it stands out with HMG's and LR's).

Ummm... they're named Heavy Machine Gun for a reason.

On the rare occasion I roll out my alt who is specced into heavy, I get tired of "lumbering" around the map. I find a friendly letter and camp it. My goal is to defend the letter and give my squad a safe place to spawn.

I'm not sure why you keep belly-aching about a HMG nerf. If it is so OP why don't you spec into it and use it to your advantage?

Before every Heavy comes in here and starts crying," The HMG takes skill" ... looks at Taste. Let me just kindly point out the facts of why your HMG is imbalanced.

Before every Heavy comes in here and starts crying," The HMG takes skill" ... looks at Taste. Let me just kindly point out the facts of why your HMG is imbalanced.

1. ROM and Accuracy Rating:
HMG has not only the best ROM for any weapon in the game, but it also has a higher accuracy rating then AR's. I hope I do not even have to explain how flawed this is.

2.ROM + Instant Hit mechanics:
So weapon of +2000 ROM is given a instant hit mechanic...really It does not get any easier than that.

3."Broadside"
So wait a weapon that is a classified as a advanced HMG has the specs of a proto , but wait it also has less CPU and PG requirements then the Proto variant. This seems kinda familiar to an old a AR that was taken out of game because it was imbalanced. I believe it was even called the "Stormside". So CCP either give us back the Stormside or get rid of the broadside.

4. HMG gets more accurate the longer they shoot..
This kinda thing that promotes Spray and pray tactics, which last time I checked is not even a tactic. Why are players being rewarded for holding R1.

5. HMG allows the Tank suit to out DPS the DPS'ers
Find it funny that suit designed to tank damage is able to out DPS other suits. Combine a DPS'er and a Tanker role together is never a good mix, and makes me question the thought process of the Devs


Soooooooo when you add all these points together you get one pretty imbalance weapon. Hate to sink the Heavy parade but this weapon needs a complete overhaul.

What I suggest is the following:

1. Get rid of the Instant hit for the HMG's make them actually have to lead to kill at Mid range. 2000 ROM is just too much for instant hit mechanics on any weapon.

2. Give the weapon a slight range nerf . Making it CQC weapon to slight mid range

3."Broadside"
So wait a weapon that is a classified as a advanced HMG has the specs of a proto , but wait it also has less CPU and PG requirements then the Proto variant. This seems kinda familiar to an old a AR that was taken out of game because it was imbalanced. I believe it was even called the "Stormside". So CCP either give us back the Stormside or get rid of the broadside.

Before every Heavy comes in here and starts crying," The HMG takes skill" ... looks at Taste. Let me just kindly point out the facts of why your HMG is imbalanced.

1. ROM and Accuracy Rating:
HMG has not only the best ROM for any weapon in the game, but it also has a higher accuracy rating then AR's. I hope I do not even have to explain how flawed this is.

2.ROM + Instant Hit mechanics:
So weapon of +2000 ROM is given a instant hit mechanic...really It does not get any easier than that.

3."Broadside"
So wait a weapon that is a classified as a advanced HMG has the specs of a proto , but wait it also has less CPU and PG requirements then the Proto variant. This seems kinda familiar to an old a AR that was taken out of game because it was imbalanced. I believe it was even called the "Stormside". So CCP either give us back the Stormside or get rid of the broadside.

4. HMG gets more accurate the longer they shoot..
This kinda thing that promotes Spray and pray tactics, which last time I checked is not even a tactic. Why are players being rewarded for holding R1.

5. HMG allows the Tank suit to out DPS the DPS'ers
Find it funny that suit designed to tank damage is able to out DPS other suits. Combine a DPS'er and a Tanker role together is never a good mix, and makes me question the thought process of the Devs


Soooooooo when you add all these points together you get one pretty imbalance weapon. Hate to sink the Heavy parade but this weapon needs a complete overhaul.

What I suggest is the following:

1. Get rid of the Instant hit for the HMG's make them actually have to lead to kill at Mid range. 2000 ROM is just too much for instant hit mechanics on any weapon.

2. Give the weapon a slight range nerf . Making it CQC weapon to slight mid range

No no no,

1. HMGs are less accurate than Assault rifles. You just think that they are because the animation does not match the projectiles fired. Seriously fire a HMG at a wall and watch were the shells fall. They only hit alot at close range because of the volume of ammo fired.

2. Its doesn't have instant hit mechanics. You can see the projectiles whizzing through the air. (get a better connection).

3. All aurum weapons are like this.

4. How does a weapon that gets more accurate have anything to do with spray and pray mechanics. The more you fire the hotter it gets. Your window for even hitting at close medium range shots is tiny. Assault guys can always outshoot me at these ranges. Because the smart ones run for cover and shoot me in the back while Im reloading.

5. This isn't Wow, there are no "DPS" roles. Heavy suits are objective defenders, fire support and anti tank. Heavies die real easy in the open because they are super slow. And to grenades and to snipers and to lasers.

Doesn't seem like you've really done your research. Actually spec a heavy before you cry nerf.

Obvious solutions to the problem:

- Make heavies blind, so they have to aim by sound only

- Randomly replace heavy rounds with a big "BLAM!" sign that pops out of the front

- Affix a large magnet to all heavies that attracts AR rounds

- Every time a heavy kills an AR user, he breaks into an uncontrollable laughing fit that incapacitates him for five minutes

- Implement "Stop punching yourself" mechanic that causes heavies to deal damage to themselves whenever they hit anyone

- Keep posting the same thread and hope for the best

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1. ROM and Accuracy Rating:
HMG has not only the best ROM for any weapon in the game, but it also has a higher accuracy rating then AR's. I hope I do not even have to explain how flawed this is.

2.ROM + Instant Hit mechanics:
So weapon of +2000 ROM is given a instant hit mechanic...really It does not get any easier than that.

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4. HMG gets more accurate the longer they shoot..
This kinda thing that promotes Spray and pray tactics, which last time I checked is not even a tactic. Why are players being rewarded for holding R1.

5. HMG allows the Tank suit to out DPS the DPS'ers
Find it funny that suit designed to tank damage is able to out DPS other suits. Combine a DPS'er and a Tanker role together is never a good mix, and makes me question the thought process of the Devs

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1. Get rid of the Instant hit for the HMG's make them actually have to lead to kill at Mid range. 2000 ROM is just too much for instant hit mechanics on any weapon.

2. Give the weapon a slight range nerf . Making it CQC weapon to slight mid range

Nope. 92 CPU - 10 PG

Got a problem with heavies? Throw a grenade, shoot at the head, or ram the heavy with a LAV.

Decent HMG users I have seen so far are Ruthra, RND squad (except Blackwater), Exmaple (?), 2-ton, Kryptix and Tuff tone. Anybody else should be somewhat easy to kill.

You're mostly complaining about the DPS.
Having high DPS on paper doesn't necessarily mean good ability to project it.


Comments:

On Whys:
1&2) HMG's accuracy on mid and mid+ ranges are it's weak part. It is actually a bit too easy to kill a heavy 50m away with AR/LR.

3) Broadside is broken, yes.

4) that's okay, even tho I'm in favor of turning the accuracy other way around. Remember heavies have tough time hitting far away. They have to warp up a lot to get some accuracy, which gives enough time for targets to cover or even shoot the heavy.

5) Heavies cannot use HMG as freely, that's a huge cost.


On Suggestions:
1) Instant hit is fine, gameplaywise and (dreaded) realismwise.

2) Heavies operating range is already short enough.

I would like to note that the only issue I have with the HMG is the range. Their effective range is the same if not greater then the ARs. HMG should be deadly but right now it's a little too easy mode for me but I can deal with it by just head glitching.

Decent HMG users I have seen so far are Ruthra, RND squad (except Blackwater), Exmaple (?), 2-ton, Kryptix and Tuff tone. Anybody else should be somewhat easy to kill.

Before every Heavy comes in here and starts crying," The HMG takes skill" ... looks at Taste. Let me just kindly point out the facts of why your HMG is imbalanced.

1. ROM and Accuracy Rating:
HMG has not only the best ROM for any weapon in the game, but it also has a higher accuracy rating then AR's. I hope I do not even have to explain how flawed this is.

2.ROM + Instant Hit mechanics:
So weapon of +2000 ROM is given a instant hit mechanic...really It does not get any easier than that.

3."Broadside"
So wait a weapon that is a classified as a advanced HMG has the specs of a proto , but wait it also has less CPU and PG requirements then the Proto variant. This seems kinda familiar to an old a AR that was taken out of game because it was imbalanced. I believe it was even called the "Stormside". So CCP either give us back the Stormside or get rid of the broadside.

4. HMG gets more accurate the longer they shoot..
This kinda thing that promotes Spray and pray tactics, which last time I checked is not even a tactic. Why are players being rewarded for holding R1.

5. HMG allows the Tank suit to out DPS the DPS'ers
Find it funny that suit designed to tank damage is able to out DPS other suits. Combine a DPS'er and a Tanker role together is never a good mix, and makes me question the thought process of the Devs


Soooooooo when you add all these points together you get one pretty imbalance weapon. Hate to sink the Heavy parade but this weapon needs a complete overhaul.

What I suggest is the following:

1. Get rid of the Instant hit for the HMG's make them actually have to lead to kill at Mid range. 2000 ROM is just too much for instant hit mechanics on any weapon.

2. Give the weapon a slight range nerf . Making it CQC weapon to slight mid range

Agree 1000% with OP. Really they should only allow heavy suits to use sidearms with all their advantages.

What advantages might you be speaking of?

What advantages might you be speaking of?

He does not counter any of my points.

Who keeps necroing these?

LOL, he does not counter any of my points, but instead insist for me to take advantage of a OP weapon.

You heavies are truly a disgusting breed.

LOL,

you clearly demonstrated how much you do not understand the game. Firstly, when did I ever mention Cod, and I do not even know how it is remotely applicable to this topic.

Heavies are defensive support role designed to hold down positions. Support not slayer. Now why hell would you want 3/5 of your team defending objects.

All Im suggesting pushing the heavy back to its support role, you know the role CCP intended for it to be.

LOL, he does not counter any of my points, but instead insist for me to take advantage of a OP weapon.

You heavies are truly a disgusting breed.

Yes, dear OP, HMG is slightly overpowered right now. It is not nearly as bad as you think it is, you are just a bad player. The Toxin SMG out-DPS's the HMG (protip: SMG's get dmg bonus vs armor), buy a merc pack, equip flux grenades, and enjoy yourself when you see a heavy. I do it all the time to other heavies without the same speed advantage enjoyed by other suits and **** their faces off with it before they get me. Even if they have a Broadside. This works even better if he's a Type II/B/vk.1 heavy. The problem is, none of you dumb assaults, logis, or scouts ever do this. This is not the heavy's fault, it is your own. The vast majority of flux grenades are used by heavies, because we're apparently the smartest players in the game. It's also because flux grenade + HMG + crowd = dead crowd..

Before every Heavy comes in here and starts crying," The HMG takes skill" ... looks at Taste. Let me just kindly point out the facts of why your HMG is imbalanced.

1. ROM and Accuracy Rating:
HMG has not only the best ROM for any weapon in the game, but it also has a higher accuracy rating then AR's. I hope I do not even have to explain how flawed this is.

2.ROM + Instant Hit mechanics:
So weapon of +2000 ROM is given a instant hit mechanic...really It does not get any easier than that.

3."Broadside"
So wait a weapon that is a classified as a advanced HMG has the specs of a proto , but wait it also has less CPU and PG requirements then the Proto variant. This seems kinda familiar to an old a AR that was taken out of game because it was imbalanced. I believe it was even called the "Stormside". So CCP either give us back the Stormside or get rid of the broadside.

4. HMG gets more accurate the longer they shoot..
This kinda thing that promotes Spray and pray tactics, which last time I checked is not even a tactic. Why are players being rewarded for holding R1.

5. HMG allows the Tank suit to out DPS the DPS'ers
Find it funny that suit designed to tank damage is able to out DPS other suits. Combine a DPS'er and a Tanker role together is never a good mix, and makes me question the thought process of the Devs


Soooooooo when you add all these points together you get one pretty imbalance weapon. Hate to sink the Heavy parade but this weapon needs a complete overhaul.

What I suggest is the following:

1. Get rid of the Instant hit for the HMG's make them actually have to lead to kill at Mid range. 2000 ROM is just too much for instant hit mechanics on any weapon.

2. Give the weapon a slight range nerf . Making it CQC weapon to slight mid range

-1 stop balancing the game for newberries. HMG players get prac useless in the top teir sp range as assaults overtake them.

Nope. 92 CPU - 10 PG

Got a problem with heavies? Throw a grenade, shoot at the head, or ram the heavy with a LAV.

Decent HMG users I have seen so far are Ruthra, RND squad (except Blackwater), Exmaple (?), 2-ton, Kryptix and Tuff tone. Anybody else should be somewhat easy to kill.

Ummm... they're named Heavy Machine Gun for a reason.

On the rare occasion I roll out my alt who is specced into heavy, I get tired of "lumbering" around the map. I find a friendly letter and camp it. My goal is to defend the letter and give my squad a safe place to spawn.

I'm not sure why you keep belly-aching about a HMG nerf. If it is so OP why don't you spec into it and use it to your advantage?

This doesn't actually promote better gameplay and balance to a game.

All I know is that they can beat an assault rifle mid-range. Which I don't agree to. It's not even their damage or accuracy, it's more their armor ratings are soooooo high.

What do you call mid range?

Well just for Shiggles i rolled a heavy > hmg,

just to see for myself..... omg now i know why ya see 30 of them on a map.

takes a lot of sp yea maybe ill give ya that,

but omg it's total faceroll one button press carnage... this gun i do NOT care what anyone says is overpowered and needs tweaking for sure, nerf? i dunno but wow it is insane.

they need to take that one back to the drawing board.

my main toon is assault > laser rifle> smg sidearms. thats what i prefer, it was just a lil experiment and toon has been deleted since but yea i dont care what all the heavies say... if anyone needs some nerfs it's them and those dammned hmg's

Nope. 92 CPU - 10 PG

Got a problem with heavies? Throw a grenade, shoot at the head, or ram the heavy with a LAV.

Decent HMG users I have seen so far are Ruthra, RND squad (except Blackwater), Exmaple (?), 2-ton, Kryptix and Tuff tone. Anybody else should be somewhat easy to kill.

Try playing it in a corp match against decent players. Then come back with your review.

I have hehe.... still OP send nerfs now prease

Well just for Shiggles i rolled a heavy > hmg,

just to see for myself..... omg now i know why ya see 30 of them on a map.

takes a lot of sp yea maybe ill give ya that,

but omg it's total faceroll one button press carnage... this gun i do NOT care what anyone says is overpowered and needs tweaking for sure, nerf? i dunno but wow it is insane.

they need to take that one back to the drawing board.

my main toon is assault > laser rifle> smg sidearms. thats what i prefer, it was just a lil experiment and toon has been deleted since but yea i dont care what all the heavies say... if anyone needs some nerfs it's them and those dammned hmg's

Bringing this here as I'm seeing the same thoughtless QQ here as I saw in the other thread.

I see all these post calling for nerfs to HMG and the general attitudes of the PRO-NERF players and I've come to a conclusion...

They all want Dust to be a Sci-Fi CoD clone where the weapon and dropsuit doesn't matter, all that matters is who gets the first good hits. This boring twitch kill mechanic, and yes I do play CoD when I get over the boredom it instills in me, is what bores me about those games.

Those that say "Oh but in RL nerf nerf nerf." Here's a hard set of facts.

1. The M134 minigun has no spool up time.
2. It fires a rate adjustable 2000 to 6000 7.62mm rounds per minute.
3. Muzzle velocity is 853 meters per second.
4. It's maximum effective range is approximately 1000 meters horizontal.
5. It's feed system is a disintegrating cartridge belt or linkless feed and, dependent on installation, 500-5000 round belt.
6. It's actually a very accurate weapon.
7. It doesn't overheat.

M134 in action.

Everything in the game is already nerfed well below reality. If CCP took it's que from RL in regards to the HMG, it would be nearly pinpoint accurate at the current in game maximum range and we wouldn't have an overheat mechanic. AS it is, it's filling it's role perfectly well. Doesn't need spool up, already spreads way beyond what it should, and if you can't outrange it with an AR, then train up Light Weapon Sharpshooter. I use an assault HMG and have 1 level in heavy weapon sharpshooter to achieve my so called long ranged attacks and I can still be outranged by ARs, LRs, MDs, and Snipers, not to mention the rocket turrets and rail turrets on vehicles and installations.

There's more I would say, but reading all these pro nerf posts and threads for things that are working well within their roles and give us rewarding intelligent play is giving me a headache.

Edit: A note to those out there that might not be able to put two and two together, the "bullet spread" you see in the video is due to vehicle movement and it's still less than what we have in game.

Bringing this here as I'm seeing the same thoughtless QQ here as I saw in the other thread.

I see all these post calling for nerfs to HMG and the general attitudes of the PRO-NERF players and I've come to a conclusion...

They all want Dust to be a Sci-Fi CoD clone where the weapon and dropsuit doesn't matter, all that matters is who gets the first good hits. This boring twitch kill mechanic, and yes I do play CoD when I get over the boredom it instills in me, is what bores me about those games.

Those that say "Oh but in RL nerf nerf nerf." Here's a hard set of facts.

1. The M134 minigun has no spool up time.
2. It fires a rate adjustable 2000 to 6000 7.62mm rounds per minute.
3. Muzzle velocity is 853 meters per second.
4. It's maximum effective range is approximately 1000 meters horizontal.
5. It's feed system is a disintegrating cartridge belt or linkless feed and, dependent on installation, 500-5000 round belt.
6. It's actually a very accurate weapon.
7. It doesn't overheat.

M134 in action.

Everything in the game is already nerfed well below reality. If CCP took it's que from RL in regards to the HMG, it would be nearly pinpoint accurate at the current in game maximum range and we wouldn't have an overheat mechanic. AS it is, it's filling it's role perfectly well. Doesn't need spool up, already spreads way beyond what it should, and if you can't outrange it with an AR, then train up Light Weapon Sharpshooter. I use an assault HMG and have 1 level in heavy weapon sharpshooter to achieve my so called long ranged attacks and I can still be outranged by ARs, LRs, MDs, and Snipers, not to mention the rocket turrets and rail turrets on vehicles and installations.

There's more I would say, but reading all these pro nerf posts and threads for things that are working well within their roles and give us rewarding intelligent play is giving me a headache.

Edit: A note to those out there that might not be able to put two and two together, the "bullet spread" you see in the video is due to vehicle movement and it's still less than what we have in game.

Don't know about him, but for me it's anything my SMG won't hit. Anything past the starting HMG's range I consider far.

A few days ago a six truck convoy of drug Cartel members decided to shoot at a military helicopter gunship that has dual miniguns.
The results were the helicopter at a 1 KM distance was able to turn six trucks into bits and pieces of scattered metal bits.

To refere to RL for balancing isn't helpful because RL weapon design isn't meant to be balanced. I guess all Tank drivers would be pretty upset if their toys get blown up by a single cheap rocket ^^.

i agree with the insta hit mecanics. That weapon is spinning to spit bullet. How come it fires without needing even a slight warm up ? Doesnt need to be 5 seconds. But heavies running and then insta spraying round the corner is fully dumb.

This alone would change a lot.

i agree with the insta hit mecanics. That weapon is spinning to spit bullet. How come it fires without needing even a slight warm up ? Doesnt need to be 5 seconds. But heavies running and then insta spraying round the corner is fully dumb.

This alone would change a lot.

I also agree with the OP; however, I would like to add the following...

Either:

1) Prevent Heavies from entering LAVs
2) Return the spool up time to the HMG

Having an LAV rock up, a heavy jump out and obliterate us within seconds really really gets old.

i agree with the insta hit mecanics. That weapon is spinning to spit bullet. How come it fires without needing even a slight warm up ? Doesnt need to be 5 seconds. But heavies running and then insta spraying round the corner is fully dumb.

This alone would change a lot.

This ^^^ and again i say this ^^^^ +1

Uhhhh... if you change its rotation speed you change the rate of fire... there-by reducing the DPS and our accuracy. (seeing how accuracy builds over length of fire). How is this not a nerf?

Again asking for something to be nerfed to placate to your play style at the expense of anothers is ridiculous. IF its about your AR being more effective, then take this into consideration, AR's are supposed to be Utility weapons, good at a variety of areas, not exceling in any one area. Stick your class's AOE (area of engagement) and learn to move WITH your team.

Those two things will increase your efficientcy in battle more than nerfing the HMG.



If you want it done Right, Hire a Professional...

i agree with the insta hit mecanics. That weapon is spinning to spit bullet. How come it fires without needing even a slight warm up ? Doesnt need to be 5 seconds. But heavies running and then insta spraying round the corner is fully dumb.

This alone would change a lot.

The heavy is the perfect example of Amarrian might the devs wanted to convey. Anything less and you have....well, what are the other races?

player rotation speed

eta. i have zero problem with the gun just how fast they can now rotate

The heavy is the perfect example of Amarrian might the devs wanted to convey. Anything less and you have....well, what are the other races?

Tracking while rotating is pretty hard because firing the thing severely slows down your turning speed. There was this guy who insisted that heavies turn at the same speed as everyone else, but I'm pretty sure their natural turning speed is slower.

Umm... the HMG is old school Minmatar tech, I'd be surprised if an Amarrian would dirty his hands holding one...

as far as the HMG needs fixing? No I don't think so...

Now damage mods.. that needs fixing. They don't penalize for stacking mods. Even though the Info on them say otherwise. So long as damage mods are broken, there will be players who will stack as many as possible. Please fix the damage mods then fine tune the weapons. Can't exactly get good data if the numbers are skewed.

I have a feeling that Dust is more about keeping the ISK balanced than the K/D ratio. I'll be honest, I have no idea what an assault suit costs. However, if I call in a Sica for 650,000 ISK, I hope it to do about 650,000 ISK in damage before it gets killed. That means if I go 20:1 in a tank and the suits I'm killing average at 32,500 ISK, I've made even return. But other people see that and wonder why CCP would allow a person to go 20:1.

People see heavies that steamroll and they complain all day but never realize that a heavy is EXPENSIVE. My K/D ratio will probably be over 1 in every match, but that doesn't mean that my ISK destroyed vs. ISK spent is over 1. I feel like it isn't wholly balanced in a K/D sense, but in an ISK sense it absolutely is.

Tracking while rotating is pretty hard because firing the thing severely slows down your turning speed. There was this guy who insisted that heavies turn at the same speed as everyone else, but I'm pretty sure their natural turning speed is slower.

Tracking while rotating is very hard because firing the thing severely slows down your turning speed.

Try Aiming down the sights when you fire. Scout suit at close range can strafe out of the way it's so slow xD

Try Aiming down the sights when you fire. Scout suit at close range can strafe out of the way it's so slow xD

lol I can do it in a regular assault suit if I'm close enough. Strafing: a HMGs worst nightmare, right there with snipers, shotguns, SMGs and nades.

Its so slow that a scout/assault/logi jumping to the side can SMG kill a hmg heavy.
Takeing notes in my heavy suit playtime for what to skill in my scout or logi suits and SMG skills.

lol I can do it in a regular assault suit if I'm close enough. Strafing: a HMGs worst nightmare, right there with snipers, shotguns, SMGs and nades.

Oh but you see, they're all overpowered. Snipers, Shotguns - all of 'em.

welll

1) Learn to use a AV gernade
2) The HMG never had a spool up time, and on that topic neither does any newer HMG in the real world have a spool up time,

I would like to note that the only issue I have with the HMG is the range. Their effective range is the same if not greater then the ARs. HMG should be deadly but right now it's a little too easy mode for me but I can deal with it by just head glitching.

This is what heavy suits are for. Like terminators in 40k you park them on an objective to hold it.

People just think the hvy / hmg combo is OP because they run at an objective solo and get mutilated.

Congrats! you just summed up 2 of the worst things in Dust! Now seriously a slight range nerf would be ok for balance

aftrer we are done with getting the HMG and the heavy nerfed lets go after the SG and the MD and the LR cuase they all kill me when im using an AR and the scout moves too fast lets nerf that and give it a bigger hit box I can never land my rounds on it and you know what SMGs make to effective side arms no side arm should be usefull so lets nerf that to be sure. oh the pistol needs it head shot bonus remove the AR needs dot scope back and less kick it makes it really hard to aim and its not fair that the LR has no kick be the AR hases so much.

that forge gun is blowing up my tank and sniping me all forge guns should shoot like the malitia one so that way they are useless except for the one I use cuase really who the **** skills into AV they should only damage vehicles.

oh and the logi has too many equipment slots!!!!

What a long and fun read this thread was... I'm actually going to post in a necro'd thread.
Listen, OP...

Leave the HMG alone.
Learn how to fight against it.

CCP gave you what you wanted. You just need to spec up to get it. Max out all your Assault, and AR skills, and Heavies will fall. So don't ask for another nerf.

The HMG is supposed to out DPS the AR. The AR is supposed to be a much weaker weapon.

A heavy may be better at holding down an objective, but no matter what, when you are with the heavy and enemies are approaching, YOU are the back up.

So get it right.

HMG current problems:

-Cannot be simply overheated
-High accuracy or Range



These have already been stated so there's no need to keep discussing on this thread as there are no other real problems with the HMG. How about a buff to the SMG? Big hipspread and only effective towards armor isn't very help in combat.