-1 stop balancing the game for newberries. HMG players get prac useless in the top teir sp range as assaults overtake them.

Nope. 92 CPU - 10 PG

Got a problem with heavies? Throw a grenade, shoot at the head, or ram the heavy with a LAV.

Decent HMG users I have seen so far are Ruthra, RND squad (except Blackwater), Exmaple (?), 2-ton, Kryptix and Tuff tone. Anybody else should be somewhat easy to kill.

Ummm... they're named Heavy Machine Gun for a reason.

On the rare occasion I roll out my alt who is specced into heavy, I get tired of "lumbering" around the map. I find a friendly letter and camp it. My goal is to defend the letter and give my squad a safe place to spawn.

I'm not sure why you keep belly-aching about a HMG nerf. If it is so OP why don't you spec into it and use it to your advantage?

This doesn't actually promote better gameplay and balance to a game.

All I know is that they can beat an assault rifle mid-range. Which I don't agree to. It's not even their damage or accuracy, it's more their armor ratings are soooooo high.

What do you call mid range?

Well just for Shiggles i rolled a heavy > hmg,

just to see for myself..... omg now i know why ya see 30 of them on a map.

takes a lot of sp yea maybe ill give ya that,

but omg it's total faceroll one button press carnage... this gun i do NOT care what anyone says is overpowered and needs tweaking for sure, nerf? i dunno but wow it is insane.

they need to take that one back to the drawing board.

my main toon is assault > laser rifle> smg sidearms. thats what i prefer, it was just a lil experiment and toon has been deleted since but yea i dont care what all the heavies say... if anyone needs some nerfs it's them and those dammned hmg's

Nope. 92 CPU - 10 PG

Got a problem with heavies? Throw a grenade, shoot at the head, or ram the heavy with a LAV.

Decent HMG users I have seen so far are Ruthra, RND squad (except Blackwater), Exmaple (?), 2-ton, Kryptix and Tuff tone. Anybody else should be somewhat easy to kill.

Try playing it in a corp match against decent players. Then come back with your review.

I have hehe.... still OP send nerfs now prease

Well just for Shiggles i rolled a heavy > hmg,

just to see for myself..... omg now i know why ya see 30 of them on a map.

takes a lot of sp yea maybe ill give ya that,

but omg it's total faceroll one button press carnage... this gun i do NOT care what anyone says is overpowered and needs tweaking for sure, nerf? i dunno but wow it is insane.

they need to take that one back to the drawing board.

my main toon is assault > laser rifle> smg sidearms. thats what i prefer, it was just a lil experiment and toon has been deleted since but yea i dont care what all the heavies say... if anyone needs some nerfs it's them and those dammned hmg's

Bringing this here as I'm seeing the same thoughtless QQ here as I saw in the other thread.

I see all these post calling for nerfs to HMG and the general attitudes of the PRO-NERF players and I've come to a conclusion...

They all want Dust to be a Sci-Fi CoD clone where the weapon and dropsuit doesn't matter, all that matters is who gets the first good hits. This boring twitch kill mechanic, and yes I do play CoD when I get over the boredom it instills in me, is what bores me about those games.

Those that say "Oh but in RL nerf nerf nerf." Here's a hard set of facts.

1. The M134 minigun has no spool up time.
2. It fires a rate adjustable 2000 to 6000 7.62mm rounds per minute.
3. Muzzle velocity is 853 meters per second.
4. It's maximum effective range is approximately 1000 meters horizontal.
5. It's feed system is a disintegrating cartridge belt or linkless feed and, dependent on installation, 500-5000 round belt.
6. It's actually a very accurate weapon.
7. It doesn't overheat.

M134 in action.

Everything in the game is already nerfed well below reality. If CCP took it's que from RL in regards to the HMG, it would be nearly pinpoint accurate at the current in game maximum range and we wouldn't have an overheat mechanic. AS it is, it's filling it's role perfectly well. Doesn't need spool up, already spreads way beyond what it should, and if you can't outrange it with an AR, then train up Light Weapon Sharpshooter. I use an assault HMG and have 1 level in heavy weapon sharpshooter to achieve my so called long ranged attacks and I can still be outranged by ARs, LRs, MDs, and Snipers, not to mention the rocket turrets and rail turrets on vehicles and installations.

There's more I would say, but reading all these pro nerf posts and threads for things that are working well within their roles and give us rewarding intelligent play is giving me a headache.

Edit: A note to those out there that might not be able to put two and two together, the "bullet spread" you see in the video is due to vehicle movement and it's still less than what we have in game.

Bringing this here as I'm seeing the same thoughtless QQ here as I saw in the other thread.

I see all these post calling for nerfs to HMG and the general attitudes of the PRO-NERF players and I've come to a conclusion...

They all want Dust to be a Sci-Fi CoD clone where the weapon and dropsuit doesn't matter, all that matters is who gets the first good hits. This boring twitch kill mechanic, and yes I do play CoD when I get over the boredom it instills in me, is what bores me about those games.

Those that say "Oh but in RL nerf nerf nerf." Here's a hard set of facts.

1. The M134 minigun has no spool up time.
2. It fires a rate adjustable 2000 to 6000 7.62mm rounds per minute.
3. Muzzle velocity is 853 meters per second.
4. It's maximum effective range is approximately 1000 meters horizontal.
5. It's feed system is a disintegrating cartridge belt or linkless feed and, dependent on installation, 500-5000 round belt.
6. It's actually a very accurate weapon.
7. It doesn't overheat.

M134 in action.

Everything in the game is already nerfed well below reality. If CCP took it's que from RL in regards to the HMG, it would be nearly pinpoint accurate at the current in game maximum range and we wouldn't have an overheat mechanic. AS it is, it's filling it's role perfectly well. Doesn't need spool up, already spreads way beyond what it should, and if you can't outrange it with an AR, then train up Light Weapon Sharpshooter. I use an assault HMG and have 1 level in heavy weapon sharpshooter to achieve my so called long ranged attacks and I can still be outranged by ARs, LRs, MDs, and Snipers, not to mention the rocket turrets and rail turrets on vehicles and installations.

There's more I would say, but reading all these pro nerf posts and threads for things that are working well within their roles and give us rewarding intelligent play is giving me a headache.

Edit: A note to those out there that might not be able to put two and two together, the "bullet spread" you see in the video is due to vehicle movement and it's still less than what we have in game.

Don't know about him, but for me it's anything my SMG won't hit. Anything past the starting HMG's range I consider far.

A few days ago a six truck convoy of drug Cartel members decided to shoot at a military helicopter gunship that has dual miniguns.
The results were the helicopter at a 1 KM distance was able to turn six trucks into bits and pieces of scattered metal bits.

To refere to RL for balancing isn't helpful because RL weapon design isn't meant to be balanced. I guess all Tank drivers would be pretty upset if their toys get blown up by a single cheap rocket ^^.

i agree with the insta hit mecanics. That weapon is spinning to spit bullet. How come it fires without needing even a slight warm up ? Doesnt need to be 5 seconds. But heavies running and then insta spraying round the corner is fully dumb.

This alone would change a lot.

i agree with the insta hit mecanics. That weapon is spinning to spit bullet. How come it fires without needing even a slight warm up ? Doesnt need to be 5 seconds. But heavies running and then insta spraying round the corner is fully dumb.

This alone would change a lot.