I am not a total idiot...

And HTFU

Not for pub matches.

not in pubs.

we need a group queue were larger groups fight larger groups

Mercenary Tab battles say hi.

Also another incentive could be better loot!

Because in a sense that would make the noobie matchmaking and a advance matchmaking levels.

We need Q-Sync squads last build!

I am tired of losing matches because of Blueberries!

I love seeing my squad go positive then seeing the rest of the team go so negative.

I'm tired of seeing them go 0-18 1-12 2-9 on my team. Let them be on the enemy team.

And don't come in saying go to team chat. Because nobody is ever in there, and if they are they are total idiots, because I check.

sorry but pub matches are just that, it's for new players to get their feet. if you want to get a bigger group together you want to be doing corp battles, then you can have full corp vs corp battles.

If all you're looking to do is pubstomp then sorry no sympathy there.

We need Q-Sync squads last build!

I am tired of losing matches because of Blueberries!

I love seeing my squad go positive then seeing the rest of the team go so negative.

I'm tired of seeing them go 0-18 1-12 2-9 on my team. Let them be on the enemy team.

And don't come in saying go to team chat. Because nobody is ever in there, and if they are they are total idiots, because I check.

Liking this discussion, keep it going.

I'm going to start by saying it's 2013 and 4 man parties are a joke. They have never worked in Battlefield and have always been a complaint about the series. When i'm looking to play a game, I'm trying to play with more than 3 friends. Call of Duty handles pub matches perfectly. If you don't have friends you're supposed to go play free for all, or mercenary. There's absolutely no reason as to why groups or clans should be forced to play with the special players that really don't know how to play, or have the desire or wherewithal to play as a team and win a match. Nobody should have to camp clutch and carry in pub matches.

CCP needs to simply make a mercenary playlist that creates randomized teams if people don't have friends to play with. BTW to the players that are going to say this will split the player base. "F-U" This game will never be competitive as long as randoms are playing in the same pub matches and organized groups of players.

I'm going to start by saying it's 2013 and 4 man parties are a joke. They have never worked in Battlefield and have always been a complaint about the series. When i'm looking to play a game, I'm trying to play with more than 3 friends. Call of Duty handles pub matches perfectly. If you don't have friends you're supposed to go play free for all, or mercenary. There's absolutely no reason as to why groups or clans should be forced to play with the special players that really don't know how to play, or have the desire or wherewithal to play as a team and win a match. Nobody should have to camp clutch and carry in pub matches.

CCP needs to simply make a mercenary playlist that creates randomized teams if people don't have friends to play with. BTW to the players that are going to say this will split the player base. "F-U" This game will never be competitive as long as randoms are playing in the same pub matches and organized groups of players.

Mercenary Tab battles say hi.

I think protoman deserves his breach AR back or at least just the scope!

I'm ok with the scope, as for the breach.... yeah, sure, that too. I'm done fighting on the side of the nerfs. I want my breach back too, even if it is scopeless. The breach used to be such a beautiful piece of equipment.....

also: nobody is going to like this idea, but i think you should always lose what you use. if you spawn it into the match, you're not getting it back. suits, dropships, tanks, whatever. It's serious punishment for someone trying to learn to fly a dropship (all the more reason to get corp training rooms in game) but it's also the only way to give the market real teeth. We've all had huge games in our proto gear, especially after CCP releases a new batch of beta keys. No matter how expensive your gear is, it doesn't cost anything if you never die.

O_O so much agreement in this post....you know CCP will have to take a deeper look into.
Now if we can just get everyone on the same boat with returning weapon damage back and giving proto everything back its former glory. It people had trouble funding it then i must give a huge LoL seeing we will win fight for matches with millions of isk pay back.

Return the suits HP etc (same with anything else) but just make them cost quite a bit more in ISK. Shame it'll never happen though because bpo>

And i want the missile launcher firepower back. Both wont happend.

A good 4 man squad can quite easily turn the game in their favour right now. I don't think the squad sizes should increase until we get 24vs24, at which point they should allow 6 man squads.

We've needed Q-sync badly for a long time. I recall a point where trying to sync with multiple friendly squads just stopped working, and my interest in playing dropped dramatically. When your pool of friendly players numbers in the thousands it's nice to hope you can get two or more allied squads on a team, but it's far from conducive to the new player experience to take your noobies and throw them with 3 other corpmates only to lose match after match because smurfs in pubs are often idiots.

It's getting frustrating fast, and as protoman pointed out this isn't the first game to make the 4 man team mistake. 4 player teams suck, and in Dust theres no exception to that, its rule. CCP has seen 10 years of evolving fleet doctrine and a part of that I would like to point out is that, in Eve, when I want some fights I don't flipping open local and ask neuts if they want to fleet up, and even roaming gangs aren't capped out at 4.

Devs: you've taken huge steps towards integration, but team sizes in pub matches are really holding the game back

very...bad...idea

this would make even more people stay in militia gear

you wanna know how i was able to run all proto and still gain money last build? because i hardly died
this idea doesnt make any sense either, if i spend isk to buy one suit and i go into a match and go 20-0 but still lose that suit because i spawned in, hmmmmm thats gay.
Everyone would quit the game

We need Q-Sync squads last build!

I am tired of losing matches because of Blueberries!

I love seeing my squad go positive then seeing the rest of the team go so negative.

I'm tired of seeing them go 0-18 1-12 2-9 on my team. Let them be on the enemy team.

And don't come in saying go to team chat. Because nobody is ever in there, and if they are they are total idiots, because I check.

unless both sides fill a team with 1 corp on each side or friends on each side its still gonna be randoms
just because u have 2 big grps of random corps on the same side dont mean they will work together.

unlike most ppl here who only look out for their needs i see both sides
while this will lessen ppls frustrations with pubs it also makes it alot easier and increases the amount of redlines should u NOT get a decent corp on the other team.
Idk about others but redline fests for me are hella boring ill sit in an MCC and wait till the game is over just like i did on MAG sitting in the bunker afk

having a full team on ur side and gettin matched with like 5+6+5 from different corps will result in a redline for ur corp its whoever manages to fill a team with corpmates/friends will win almost every time.

And dont gimme "well its teamwork/organisation" honestly dont need teamwork in any game to beat randoms. especially if ur a full team u just zerg an objective and the uncoordinated enemy team will roll over and lose that obj

i much rather see better FW implementation somehow than ppl rolling hisec in full ******* zerg parties.
Enlist in a militia like in EVE and perhaps then individuals and corps can have large grp matchmaking but then that just makes the corp battle system useless as everyone will just use this MAG style large grp pub matches instead


PS: the game also needs LP as a 2ndary grind and faction gear.

you wanna know how i was able to run all proto and still gain money last build? because i hardly died

Liking this discussion, keep it going.

Ok here is my idea for the loot. In the Merc battles, only the winning side gets loot, but it's better loot, maybe even AUR loot.

I'm going to start by saying it's 2013 and 4 man parties are a joke. They have never worked in Battlefield and have always been a complaint about the series. When i'm looking to play a game, I'm trying to play with more than 3 friends. Call of Duty handles pub matches perfectly. If you don't have friends you're supposed to go play free for all, or mercenary. There's absolutely no reason as to why groups or clans should be forced to play with the special players that really don't know how to play, or have the desire or wherewithal to play as a team and win a match. Nobody should have to camp clutch and carry in pub matches.

CCP needs to simply make a mercenary playlist that creates randomized teams if people don't have friends to play with. BTW to the players that are going to say this will split the player base. "F-U" This game will never be competitive as long as randoms are playing in the same pub matches and organized groups of players.

Some great idea guys. But let's not limit our selves.

I think we shouldn't be limit to just our corp to Q-Sync. We should be allowed to Q-Sync with alliance, allies, or any other corp for that matter. There can be contracts for corps who are not Allies/alliance/friends so they can pay a certain amount of ISK to a corp to Q-Sync. The corp that is paying could do it for:

Seeing what it takes to becomes better.
Helps pad there leader board stats.
Try's to lost the game purposely to damage the other corps stats

Q-Syncing is not just for pub stomping. So much more can come from it.

Also we are going to get a ton of new gamers when open beta arrives. I for one can say a lot of players would want to play with there friends, even if they get pubstomp. You know why? Because they enjoy there friends company.

Squad of 4 sucks. Everybody knows this

There could be a skill to level up that increases squad count. With it, it could make the defend order radius effect larger with each level.

There could be a skill to Q-Sync that increases the number of squad you can Q-Sync with. Maybe also the skill at first only allows corp mates, then you will have to level it up if anybody wants to Q-Sync with Alliance and so forth.

Just some ideas I just thought of. CCP can do so much.

But I say the easiest one to implements is to make matchmaking the same but limit high end rewards. Make them even harder to get now. Like a Super Epic rare loot drop. Then have a mercenary gametype that has Q-Sync where the rewards are higher and the loot is better and a little easier to come upon on.

Dust needs risk and reward. Right now we hardly have any.

Matchmaking right now is highsec. Put in mercenary matches with Q-Sync and that can become Low-Sec.
In sense making the game more risk vs reward. Do you risk facing a team of SI,SyN,STB,PFBH,IMPS and so on to get more ISK and better loot? It also will simulate bigger and non official corp battles that will help the community get better.

Or do you keep it safe and only do Matchmaking with your squad?

Ok here is my idea for the loot. In the Merc battles, only the winning side gets loot, but it's better loot, maybe even AUR loot.

wrong-o

try going against a decent 12 -16 people with only a squad of 4

with the type of squads we run, every person could get 20+ kills and everyone on our team from 5th down to 16th gets below 2-3 kills
sometimes its just not enough

Appearently i dont even need to troll the imperfects. They allready provide a good amount of input to get trolled by every 1 else.

So you admit to trolling, which is violation of the Forum rules

6. Trolling is prohibited.

good to hear

You are suppose to be supportive of handi capable kids Rhnz.

/me claps real loud to encourage The Dark Scrub

doing good things TDC keep it up!

Exactly, you want to act like a big boy and join the Merc Battles, do so, but know that whole corps can be on one side.