The greatest threat to a heavy is distance, I shred people up close but an enemy with a decent AR can really hurt me and make me scramble for cover if shooting a medium range. If two decent AR's engage me simultaneously at medium range, I usually lose (however if two decent AR's engage me at close range, i usually win).

Keep your distance and frag well.

So what you are saying is that you are upset that Heavies are working as intended 1v1 or with Logibro Backup? If you have that problem run away, or starting working in tandem with other people. Contrary to how most imperfects play that I have observed, Dust is not balanced around Rambo tactics.

Irish

Laser rifles and mass drivers make heavys cry. With a laser you can easy shot the heavy on distance and cause of his slow movement speed its very easy to keep the beam going. Mass drivers gain extra damage against armor and a few rounds and he should be dead.

Lasers are 80% efficiency against armor. well thought out tbqh, mass drivers are OP, they'll get nerfed soon anyways.

And everything will be assault suits and ARs all the time.

Almighty - Do you really understand the roles of heavies? Because I'm confused. We're just AV? How about we're defenders too? Oh, I heard some others saying we're not slayers. Oh and some cute thread way back when way saying how heavies should get nerfed cause he couldn't 1 shot one with a sniper.

You must blow next to your corpies - they shread heavies like it's happy hour at there favorite bar.

and FYI - your idea of how we're unbalanced sucks. You don't mentioned even a third of the things every other class has on us - but I can understand your rage. It's hard losing proto suits just cause you turned a corner and found a heavy whose suit alone is worth your entire set.

But really - this thread is just QQ, heavies have it tough. All you have to do is throw your proto on and just enjoy shredding every heavy who can't afford to keep up with you.

They are tiered. This should not change. It's like saying a frigate in Eve should be as powerful as a Battleship. It is illogical.

do you have full sharpshooter skills? invest, it's highly overpowered.

They are tiered. This should not change. It's like saying a frigate in Eve should be as powerful as a Battleship. It is illogical.

First of all I have A series and Geks TYVM (soon b-series though YAY!) if you want to be defenders, okay fine, whatever, completely nerf the HMG then, up clip size 1/4 damage per bullet, it can keep damage up, but not be overpowered, no damage buff for infantry vs heavies. This game is still extremely unbalanced this way, WHAT advantages does my assault suit have on you again?

Are you trolling? More mods, better more reasonable prices, and speed alone make it so every heavy out there has to have skill well above your average assault player to not be a pitfall of ISK waste.

Every heavy out there currently is a dedicated heavy whose thrown every SP they can get there hands on to make sure they don't suck - cause our drawbacks are hefty and our end game set ups can't keep up with assaults end game set ups.

P.S. - If you haven't used the B-series you'll love it - day and night difference from the Type-II :3

Laser rifles and mass drivers make heavys cry. With a laser you can easy shot the heavy on distance and cause of his slow movement speed its very easy to keep the beam going. Mass drivers gain extra damage against armor and a few rounds and he should be dead.

OP is def trollin' ... has to be.
Maybe a functioning tard?

Heavies if anything need a buff

Ya honestly if this is not a troll, i have to say Heavies are fine right now and like Arch said, maybe even need a buff. I have no problems when i run into a heavy 1v1 most times in my assault suit.. just need to outsmart/outgun them. If you turn a corner and theres a heavy there and theres no where to run.. ya expect to die thats the point.

I don't see where you get saying heavies are AV only too.... a proper squad supporting a heavy HMG can be amazing... Honestly.. i still think this is a troll thread so im not typing more. lol.

I just finished mopping my tears - laser rifle just shredded me time and time again.

I'll disagree with the part of a forge gun having "sniper accuracy can hit anything from any distance, 100% effective to vehicles AND infantry".

With high end skills you only have between 300 to 350 m range and the dispersion makes it an exercise in patience hitting any infantry past 100m. Up close if you miss your shot with the forge you will more often be dead before you can charge a second round or switch to a sidearm.

I DO NOT think they should have added more impulse damage to the forge (the physical push of the weapon against vehicles). While I think it's hilarious to watch an LAV spin out and then make it explode. I don't think this buff was necessary.

Were you saying the SMG needs a buff? I think it finally feels good again for a change. Don't think it really needs anything else.

This is my problem with laser rifles: they shouldn't be effective against heavies. They burn through armour too well they're OP that way. They're supposed to be most effective against shields are they not?

fat boys can do EVERYTHING while skinny and nornal kids can only infantry, that's not OP at all..

Who says Heavies are the only AV? Swarms are tearing stuff up all over the field this build.

This is my problem with laser rifles: they shouldn't be effective against heavies. They burn through armour too well they're OP that way. They're supposed to be most effective against shields are they not?

elaborate.

Not trolling, our mods don't half make up for your DPS, even at a range, and insaanely high health (specially VK.1) I have a heavy alternate and I stomp on people with it, especially because of the mass variety of weapons that I can use against them@ if they get to rangy with me guess what, EXILE RIFLE@@@ CQC map HMG all day, vehicles, no problem one-three hit with a forge THAT NO OTHER CLASS CAN USE AND IS A LITERAL SNIPER.
(I used to be full proto everything way back in replication build :p I miss that build TBQH, most fun, if heavies were like they are now in that build and swarms to, I would pay $300 a year to play no problem.)

True, totally forgot about swarms too.

Use AV nades, they're actually VERY effective against ground vehicles. So technically, scouts and assault can also be reasonably effective AV guys. I've seen an assault take out an HAV using AV nades alone.

The thing is A LOT of heavies shield tank and this lets the laser make quick work of them. The laser's efficiency drops once it hits armor. The funny thing is by the time it eats through your shields its DPS has risen for being active for a longer period of time.

slight buff on HMG's, forge feels fine against vehicles, OP against infantry, OHK's and splash. put yourself in a corner and no-one can sneak up on you.

LAV possible, not even close to touching a HAV

You doubt it, but I've SEEN it done. Granted HAV driver was bad, and put himself in a bad spot. He had a 7000HP tank, drove down road on old 3pt map. An assault was on cliffs above tank, and threw three AV nades on it. A heavy forged the tank, but the heavy was then shot by tank. The assault had a nanohive, and by the time the HAV killed the heavy, the assault had replenished his AV nades and threw 3 more.... boom goes the tank!

LAV possible, not even close to touching a HAV

Lazers being a distance weapon and heavies having a big hit box = our doom. But it's not awful, LR users are often my favorite encounters.

And the other anorexic classes can use swarm launchers if they want AV.

Not really- Type 1 heavies heave so much armor it'll take an hour for a laser to kill them.

Mass drivers are pretty useful, as far as light weapons to kill them with.

My boy Legan destroyed a 6000 Shield 1200 Armor gunlogi with his HMG and AV Nades. He had a little help from me with the forge gun. But in the end the killfeed was him.

I have killed a similar gunlogi with flux nades and my exile. True I had another tank firing at him but the kill was registered to me.

There are various creative ways to kill HAVs. My favorite is running and jumping on the enemy tanks and throwing flux nades at them. I die every time but it sure does **** them off.

back in older builds (fantasizing about older builds ahhhhhh.....) my ar did as much as it said it did, not 10x less

You mean back in the older days when we used to jump on those silly tanks and fire our creodons into it till it exploded?

Bring em back

fat boys can do EVERYTHING while skinny and nornal kids can only infantry, that's not OP at all..

they cant carry equipment ...

The greatest threat to a heavy is distance, I shred people up close but an enemy with a decent AR can really hurt me and make me scramble for cover if shooting a medium range. If two decent AR's engage me simultaneously at medium range, I usually lose (however if two decent AR's engage me at close range, i usually win).

Keep your distance and frag well.

LOL I completely forgot bout this. God I wish I could carry equipment. I'd be an armored Logibro asap.

Difficult to do when they are rolling around in murder taxi.

I agree, heavies shouldnt be able to use vehicles it kinda defeats the point does it not?

Ive gotten a lot of hate for suggesting it so be careful, really i just dont think they should get to drive them but let em be passengers that way ppl cant go around Manus peak ambush riding dirty solo. Cant tell you the number of times ive seen a heavy ive nearly killed jump back into an LAV to save their sorry butt. But thats a whole other mechanic that irritates me since i cant just shoot them while in the LAV unless they are in gunner position.

Now if i could shoot at them directly while in a vehicles and damage them then they can drive or ride shotty or do whatever else they want because i can at least damage them and they cant use the LAV as a defacto timeout please don't kill me i need to regen mode.

Ive gotten a lot of hate for suggesting it so be careful, really i just dont think they should get to drive them but let em be passengers that way ppl cant go around Manus peak ambush riding dirty solo. Cant tell you the number of times ive seen a heavy ive nearly killed jump back into an LAV to save their sorry butt. But thats a whole other mechanic that irritates me since i cant just shoot them while in the LAV unless they are in gunner position.

Now if i could shoot at them directly while in a vehicles and damage them then they can drive or ride shotty or do whatever else they want because i can at least damage them and they cant use the LAV as a defacto timeout please don't kill me i need to regen mode.

I'm talking about an infantry suit that can AV and assault as the same while no other class can, how they have higher DPS than any other class, and do not server there intended purpose.

So is this a troll post ? I can't tell .. lol.

I hate the damage that heavies can inflict on me as an assault,but I have to admit,with all the SP and ISK it takes to have a very good heavy fit,I think that it's pretty balanced.

Gang up on heavies from multiple angles and they will crumble like anyone else.

I have played you and I can easily say HMG damage is not problem. The last time we met i killed you with my toxin and lasers so many times. And you were running a logi suit. Here you say you run as an assault.

Anyway it wouldnt matter. Skill does come into play out here which you certainly need help with.

My question is why doesn't the heavy have a level one bpo like every other suit!

Okay so let's look at our facts here, heavies have the most health, move slower, turn slightly slower, and have the best all around weapons in the game. oh yeah and they can use ANY weapon they please.

Forge: sniper accuracy can hit anything from any distance, 100% effective to vehicles AND infantry.
HMG: EXTREMELY powerful against other infantry units scout/assault/heavy, the only thing that takes this down with a geared opponent is basically a forge gun to the face. Only slightly less damage vs vehicles or other mechanical devices (turrets CRU etc etc)

if they wish they can use assaults, smgs, snipers, pistols, w/e.


now let's look at out runner up (because scout is a little bit of a joke atm eh?)

Assault, medium health, quicker health recharge, turn quicker, weapons only effective against other infantry.
there are NO infantry specific weapons.



Now, what do I propose we do to balance our clearly off-balance scale? nerf heavies against infantry, HARD, they are supposed to be anti-vehicle tanks, basically buff there health A LOT, nerf their weapons vs infantry, forge gun should be okay still vs vehicles, infantry units deal more damage to heavies, HMG does 1/2 of it's current damage (preferably less but I'll throw you a bone with this drastic change that I'm hoping for.) and heavies CANNOT use anything except pistol, SMG, Heavy specifics, and swarms.

heavies are the current kings of the battlefield and cannot properly, in my opinion do their jobs which is supposed to be anti-vehicle. As of now I see heavies as 70% infantry 30% AV, ridiculous.



if you respond to this post with a stupid, not thought out, pre-judged response, I will not respond to you.

I have one answer. Equipment slots. Put some Remote Explosives down. By far, THE best way to counter a Heavy.

My question is why doesn't the heavy have a level one bpo like every other suit!

THIS IS A VIDEO GAME, THROW LOGIC OUT THE WINDOW I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE TO SAY THIS.

I'm talking about an infantry suit that can AV and assault as the same while no other class can, how they have higher DPS than any other class, and do not server there intended purpose.

I'm talking about an infantry suit that can AV and assault as the same while no other class can, how they have higher DPS than any other class, and do not server there intended purpose.

and just what is their intended purpose?

The community seems to agree Heavys are really fine - they just need a price reduction and maybe 1 more slot for the proto gear.

Grenades. My dragonfly with no additional armor/shields (and two pistols) murders multiple heavies all the time.

That's just the way it works. There's a reason you have grenades. Start throwing them. Get good. Soak in the tears of lost heavy proto-suits/weapons, as you wreck them with FREE stuff. = D

That's how we deal with them. Also, we travel as a squad nearly all the time. Makes things much easier.

Heavies are the new equivalent of dropships on Codex (before they got fixed). Meaning OP beyond belief.

IMO heavies should ONLY be anti-vehicle. All that ridiculous armor and MASSIVE health is only good for one thing in terms of balance... anti-vehicle. Basically if I go up against a speced heavy with a HMG, it is no different than going up against a well speced tank... actually it's probably worse.

Heavy HMG need to be removed or nerfed to oblivion and back, as a well speced heavy has nearly all the range and +10 power that a proto AR player does. Those turkeys should only be used for support, not as main defense/offense.

Can't wait for the massive heavy nerf, as then the game might be balanced.

Heavies are the new equivalent of dropships on Codex (before they got fixed). Meaning OP beyond belief.

IMO heavies should ONLY be anti-vehicle. All that ridiculous armor and MASSIVE health is only good for one thing in terms of balance... anti-vehicle. Basically if I go up against a speced heavy with a HMG, it is no different than going up against a well speced tank... actually it's probably worse.

Heavy HMG need to be removed or nerfed to oblivion and back, as a well speced heavy has nearly all the range and +10 power that a proto AR player does. Those turkeys should only be used for support, not as main defense/offense.

Can't wait for the massive heavy nerf, as then the game might be balanced.

even with a proto-aurum swarm you will not defeat a decently geared tank.

Heavies are the new equivalent of dropships on Codex (before they got fixed). Meaning OP beyond belief.

IMO heavies should ONLY be anti-vehicle. All that ridiculous armor and MASSIVE health is only good for one thing in terms of balance... anti-vehicle. Basically if I go up against a speced heavy with a HMG, it is no different than going up against a well speced tank... actually it's probably worse.

Heavy HMG need to be removed or nerfed to oblivion and back, as a well speced heavy has nearly all the range and +10 power that a proto AR player does. Those turkeys should only be used for support, not as main defense/offense.

Can't wait for the massive heavy nerf, as then the game might be balanced.

Lastly if you have trouble with a heavy chances are its because you use locus nades. Carry flux nades and then tell me heavies are OP. They are so laughably easy to wipe out solo when you flux and then go on counter offensive.

Damn locus grenades. The AoE on those things pretty much assures my death half the time.

I am not trolling this game just sucks and no-one but a select few can see it.

Only problem I have with heavies is when they fit assault rifles or lasers, it just screams I am a giant nub who needs 1k HP to stand toe to toe with anyone else using the above weapons.

I use the HMG heavy myself from time to time, fun and not really op for every kill where you melt someone there is another 3 kills at a distance where you can barely scratch them.

Heavies are the new equivalent of dropships on Codex (before they got fixed). Meaning OP beyond belief.

IMO heavies should ONLY be anti-vehicle. All that ridiculous armor and MASSIVE health is only good for one thing in terms of balance... anti-vehicle. Basically if I go up against a speced heavy with a HMG, it is no different than going up against a well speced tank... actually it's probably worse.

Heavy HMG need to be removed or nerfed to oblivion and back, as a well speced heavy has nearly all the range and +10 power that a proto AR player does. Those turkeys should only be used for support, not as main defense/offense.

Can't wait for the massive heavy nerf, as then the game might be balanced.