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Posted - 2012.12.27 17:17:00 -
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Almighty - Do you really understand the roles of heavies? Because I'm confused. We're just AV? How about we're defenders too? Oh, I heard some others saying we're not slayers. Oh and some cute thread way back when way saying how heavies should get nerfed cause he couldn't 1 shot one with a sniper.
You must blow next to your corpies - they shread heavies like it's happy hour at there favorite bar.
and FYI - your idea of how we're unbalanced sucks. You don't mentioned even a third of the things every other class has on us - but I can understand your rage. It's hard losing proto suits just cause you turned a corner and found a heavy whose suit alone is worth your entire set.
But really - this thread is just QQ, heavies have it tough. All you have to do is throw your proto on and just enjoy shredding every heavy who can't afford to keep up with you. |
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Posted - 2012.12.27 17:25:00 -
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ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Almighty - Do you really understand the roles of heavies? Because I'm confused. We're just AV? How about we're defenders too? Oh, I heard some others saying we're not slayers. Oh and some cute thread way back when way saying how heavies should get nerfed cause he couldn't 1 shot one with a sniper.
You must blow next to your corpies - they shread heavies like it's happy hour at there favorite bar.
and FYI - your idea of how we're unbalanced sucks. You don't mentioned even a third of the things every other class has on us - but I can understand your rage. It's hard losing proto suits just cause you turned a corner and found a heavy whose suit alone is worth your entire set.
But really - this thread is just QQ, heavies have it tough. All you have to do is throw your proto on and just enjoy shredding every heavy who can't afford to keep up with you. First of all I have A series and Geks TYVM (soon b-series though YAY!) if you want to be defenders, okay fine, whatever, completely nerf the HMG then, up clip size 1/4 damage per bullet, it can keep damage up, but not be overpowered, no damage buff for infantry vs heavies. This game is still extremely unbalanced this way, WHAT advantages does my assault suit have on you again?
Are you trolling? More mods, better more reasonable prices, and speed alone make it so every heavy out there has to have skill well above your average assault player to not be a pitfall of ISK waste.
Every heavy out there currently is a dedicated heavy whose thrown every SP they can get there hands on to make sure they don't suck - cause our drawbacks are hefty and our end game set ups can't keep up with assaults end game set ups.
P.S. - If you haven't used the B-series you'll love it - day and night difference from the Type-II :3 |
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Posted - 2012.12.27 17:46:00 -
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ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Almighty - Do you really understand the roles of heavies? Because I'm confused. We're just AV? How about we're defenders too? Oh, I heard some others saying we're not slayers. Oh and some cute thread way back when way saying how heavies should get nerfed cause he couldn't 1 shot one with a sniper.
You must blow next to your corpies - they shread heavies like it's happy hour at there favorite bar.
and FYI - your idea of how we're unbalanced sucks. You don't mentioned even a third of the things every other class has on us - but I can understand your rage. It's hard losing proto suits just cause you turned a corner and found a heavy whose suit alone is worth your entire set.
But really - this thread is just QQ, heavies have it tough. All you have to do is throw your proto on and just enjoy shredding every heavy who can't afford to keep up with you. First of all I have A series and Geks TYVM (soon b-series though YAY!) if you want to be defenders, okay fine, whatever, completely nerf the HMG then, up clip size 1/4 damage per bullet, it can keep damage up, but not be overpowered, no damage buff for infantry vs heavies. This game is still extremely unbalanced this way, WHAT advantages does my assault suit have on you again? Are you trolling? More mods, better more reasonable prices, and speed alone make it so every heavy out there has to have skill well above your average assault player to not be a pitfall of ISK waste. Every heavy out there currently is a dedicated heavy whose thrown every SP they can get there hands on to make sure they don't suck - cause our drawbacks are hefty and our end game set ups can't keep up with assaults end game set ups. P.S. - If you haven't used the B-series you'll love it - day and night difference from the Type-II :3 Not trolling, our mods don't half make up for your DPS, even at a range, and insaanely high health (specially VK.1) I have a heavy alternate and I stomp on people with it, especially because of the mass variety of weapons that I can use against them@ if they get to rangy with me guess what, EXILE RIFLE@@@ CQC map HMG all day, vehicles, no problem one-three hit with a forge THAT NO OTHER CLASS CAN USE AND IS A LITERAL SNIPER. (I used to be full proto everything way back in replication build :p I miss that build TBQH, most fun, if heavies were like they are now in that build and swarms to, I would pay $300 a year to play no problem.)
Ah, I think I see your point now. Yea out of every class heavies have it the easiest to get in some cheap and easy kills. But that doesn't unbalance us really - because for every 3 people you mowed down getting CQC there's 5 other situations where you would of gotton shredded instead. Just because you know that heavies with an HMG can dominate certain areas doesn't make them unbalanced - a scout with a shotgun could rip you to pieces or an AR user who uses a bit of cover. There's also tons of other ways that a CQC situation HMG heavy could get torn up.
Heavies being able to use 2 more weapons then the other classes isn't a real edge either. It's not like I can throw my Forge on my back as I carry my AR. I run a proto forge but I never get it out on time in some matches. I wish using it didn't light me up like a flaming christmas tree for everyone with a gun to smile over the easy kill the just found.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around why you think heavies are OP. If your corpies weren't running around destroying every heavy player I know like it's childs play I may of sounded less agressive - but you realize you belong to a corp that contradicts everything you're saying here.
I hear Imperfects have no heavies - trying to be the first?
TBH - Heavy with HMG + Logi is OP. Surprized there's not a cry for heavies to get a repair cap lol |
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Posted - 2012.12.27 17:52:00 -
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Lazers being a distance weapon and heavies having a big hit box = our doom. But it's not awful, LR users are often my favorite encounters.
And the other anorexic classes can use swarm launchers if they want AV. |
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Posted - 2012.12.27 17:59:00 -
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You guys arguing that AV nades can take on HAV is ridiculous. Any situation can happen in a game if you play enough - what almighty is talkin' about is the norm. AV nades blow vs HAV, but that's fine. You should of used Swarm Launchers anyways :) |
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Posted - 2012.12.27 18:00:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Lazers being a distance weapon and heavies having a big hit box = our doom. But it's not awful, LR users are often my favorite encounters.
And the other anorexic classes can use swarm launchers if they want AV. Not really- Type 1 heavies heave so much armor it'll take an hour for a laser to kill them. Mass drivers are pretty useful, as far as light weapons to kill them with.
My experience is it takes seconds - but that's in my armor militia. |
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Posted - 2012.12.27 18:33:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote: back in older builds (fantasizing about older builds ahhhhhh.....) my ar did as much as it said it did, not 10x less
You mean back in the older days when we used to jump on those silly tanks and fire our creodons into it till it exploded?  Bring em back 
I actually expect them to remove heavies completely one day and make more use of a single player being able to solo a tank. Like being able to jump on a tank - open the latch - and drop a nade. With the required SP points ofc to make it work. |
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Posted - 2012.12.27 18:36:00 -
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Vane Arcadia wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:Baracka Flocka Flame wrote:Ya honestly if this is not a troll, i have to say Heavies are fine right now and like Arch said, maybe even need a buff. I have no problems when i run into a heavy 1v1 most times in my assault suit.. just need to outsmart/outgun them. If you turn a corner and theres a heavy there and theres no where to run.. ya expect to die thats the point.
I don't see where you get saying heavies are AV only too.... a proper squad supporting a heavy HMG can be amazing... Honestly.. i still think this is a troll thread so im not typing more. lol. fat boys can do EVERYTHING while skinny and nornal kids can only infantry, that's not OP at all.. they cant carry equipment ...
LOL I completely forgot bout this. God I wish I could carry equipment. I'd be an armored Logibro asap. |
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Posted - 2012.12.27 19:12:00 -
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Gunner Visari wrote:Kiiran-B wrote:Gunner Visari wrote:Maximus Stryker wrote:The greatest threat to a heavy is distance, I shred people up close but an enemy with a decent AR can really hurt me and make me scramble for cover if shooting a medium range. If two decent AR's engage me simultaneously at medium range, I usually lose (however if two decent AR's engage me at close range, i usually win).
Keep your distance and frag well. Difficult to do when they are rolling around in murder taxi. I agree, heavies shouldnt be able to use vehicles it kinda defeats the point does it not? Ive gotten a lot of hate for suggesting it so be careful, really i just dont think they should get to drive them but let em be passengers that way ppl cant go around Manus peak ambush riding dirty solo. Cant tell you the number of times ive seen a heavy ive nearly killed jump back into an LAV to save their sorry butt. But thats a whole other mechanic that irritates me since i cant just shoot them while in the LAV unless they are in gunner position. Now if i could shoot at them directly while in a vehicles and damage them then they can drive or ride shotty or do whatever else they want because i can at least damage them and they cant use the LAV as a defacto timeout please don't kill me i need to regen mode.
I've been begging for LAV's to be taken off as free and bikes be added instead that can't OHK people without major driving skill. Cause I agree - us fatties with free LAV's is a pain for everyone else lol |
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:21:00 -
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OP getting 0 likes is a good indication of how everyone else feels about heavies being OP. They're not. |
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Posted - 2012.12.28 19:42:00 -
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The community seems to agree Heavys are really fine - they just need a price reduction and maybe 1 more slot for the proto gear. |
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Posted - 2012.12.29 17:04:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Heavies are the new equivalent of dropships on Codex (before they got fixed). Meaning OP beyond belief.
IMO heavies should ONLY be anti-vehicle. All that ridiculous armor and MASSIVE health is only good for one thing in terms of balance... anti-vehicle. Basically if I go up against a speced heavy with a HMG, it is no different than going up against a well speced tank... actually it's probably worse.
Heavy HMG need to be removed or nerfed to oblivion and back, as a well speced heavy has nearly all the range and +10 power that a proto AR player does. Those turkeys should only be used for support, not as main defense/offense.
Can't wait for the massive heavy nerf, as then the game might be balanced.
I'm starting to think everyone besides DJINN Punisher and one other guy with DJINN are all retards who have no idea how to play. Saw a few trying to camp above C objective 2 weeks ago - failed. They couldn't bring down a heavy with an AR in a 3v1 with no cover available. >_>
I was in type-II gear with no mods running for my life from G-slick whose on the other team destroying everything in sight solo >_> |
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Posted - 2012.12.29 19:45:00 -
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Gunner Visari wrote:
Lastly if you have trouble with a heavy chances are its because you use locus nades. Carry flux nades and then tell me heavies are OP. They are so laughably easy to wipe out solo when you flux and then go on counter offensive.
Damn flux grenades. The AoE on those things pretty much assures my death half the time. |
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Posted - 2012.12.30 01:09:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:Only problem I have with heavies is when they fit assault rifles or lasers, it just screams I am a giant nub who needs 1k HP to stand toe to toe with anyone else using the above weapons.
I use the HMG heavy myself from time to time, fun and not really op for every kill where you melt someone there is another 3 kills at a distance where you can barely scratch them.
I actually think HMG users are the ones who aren't thinking. AR heavies make sense - they're versatile and there speed won't factor in as heavy. HMG's are utterly screwed in too many situations. |
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