You make the point that it's the fact that corp chat can crossover to Eve players that is the reason CCP have to use a third party system, costing them money, which we should have to pay for - how about instead of charging Dust players for chatting to other Dust players in their corps, they just make it so you only have to pay to chat between Dust and Eve players? When we eventually get actual full integraton and Eve players are in our teams in actual matches, will we not be able to talk to them on teamchat without UVT?

I totally understand the reasons for changing for UVT....it just needs to have isk variant.

Secondly. I think the issue is they got us hooked on a sweet feature and are now charging for it.

Never the less 10au is not bad for 30 days. They could make it much worse. Isk variant will be nice once implemented. Along with ability for corps to provide the service anyway. Just the cost of maintaining a corp. No difference than current corps/alliances in eve paying for TS or VENT.

Okay if im not mistaken isn't all the AUR you spend the during the closed beta going to be returned to you after the wipe before open beta and/or again before the full game release. If so then everyone complaining needs to STFU.

A 30 day UVT is 10 AUR, that is exactly 1/2 a penny U.S. that mean 1 year will cost you 6cents. And if you we get all our AUR back which i know we do i just cant find the thread from the devs that states it, then its a freaking 6 cent deposit for voice chat for a year. When the game drops you should be able to buy these features with ISK, also we may get a single UVT for all in corp chat so again STFU with you entitlement. Freaking 6 cents!!! really!

Okay if im not mistaken isn't all the AUR you spend the during the closed beta going to be returned to you after the wipe before open beta and/or again before the full game release. If so then everyone complaining needs to STFU.

A 30 day UVT is 10 AUR, that is exactly 1/2 a penny U.S. that mean 1 year will cost you 6cents. And if you we get all our AUR back which i know we do i just cant find the thread from the devs that states it, then its a freaking 6 cent deposit for voice chat for a year. When the game drops you should be able to buy these features with ISK, also we may get a single UVT for all in corp chat so again STFU with you entitlement. Freaking 6 cents!!! really!

You obviously weren't in beta when uvt's were introduced at, if I remember right, at 12,000 aur.

It was not introduced at 1 aur, now 10 aur with restructure.

BTW, that was about $3.00 a month or more just to speak to your corp mates.

F2P......... lol......... Yeah right.

Fair enough but that is what the cost is now it's 10 AUR, and for a 1.99 you can get 4000 AUR. Which will then be refunded back to you on launch and then you can use it to purchase items. I mean a 1.99 deposit is reasonable and not worthy of all the rage. I mean can you really say you will NEVER buy AUR in this game im sure there is something you'd be willing to spend AUR on down the road.

I don't think you understood. We are utilizing the same back end that EVE players utilize. Their cost for the voice comms is incurred in their monthly subs.

We don't have monthly subbs, so we're having to support the feature itself.

And most good clans will probably end up purchasing the UVT for the corp. Whether off the market or out of pocket.

In-game voice, where you're talking to other DUST players in the same battle as you, can be run directly via PSN, and those costs are part of the agreement between Sony and CCP. The corporation chat handles EVE/DUST interaction, which requires it to run via the voice service CCP use for EVE, which they pay for through a third party. That costs money, and the UVT is meant to offset/cover the cost of that service.

Me and plenty of people would spend money on this game, if CCP charged for what people would happily pay for.

I will not pay to talk, whatever the price eventually becomes, and neither will most others.

Consequently a team based game with pay to talk comms is a total fail, how many people do you honestly think will be put off this game when they realise this?.

A lot don't come close btw.

I used to let it bother me how dumb people were and would try and enlighten them like Garrett is attempting.

Now I just read dumb posts and move along like they don' exists. It makes the forums much more enjoyable.

You Can't Fix Stupid

It isn't pay to talk comms, You get free comm for team/squad chat which is exactly what you get in EVERY PS3 game out there that you will pay $60 for. Comms for Corp was not meant to be free and shouldn't be free it is not a feature you find in any other PS game because it doesn't exist. Add to it that it allows for chat not only Dust side but EVE as well means it working on the EVE comm channel which they do in fact pay for.

Of course all they need to do is make sure the default options on voice chat are set to on with PTT to off and people will instantly recognize that they do in deed support free comms.


Also there will be a ISK option for this feature and supposedly a one for all corp wide option.

Point is corp chat for free was nice but not intentional and not a right but a privilege. It isn't a feature you find in any other game and it shouldnt be a standard option for us just because we like it or feel entitled to it.

Yup that's right it's free (as it bloody should be btw) for FOUR people !

Or, oh yes, you can also talk to a load of random cretins on your team, who don't even know you have to set talk to ON.

Fantastic, how could anyone not think comms on this game isn't the best ever. lol. stfu.

Like it is in EVERY game!!! Get over it you're just mad because a shiny unintentional feature has been fixed. Why don't you go complain to the devs of other games about this since they all function identically in how they handle comms

You obviously weren't in beta when uvt's were introduced at, if I remember right, at 12,000 aur.

It was not introduced at 1 aur, now 10 aur with restructure.

BTW, that was about $3.00 a month or more just to speak to your corp mates.

F2P......... lol......... Yeah right.

MAG..............

8 Man squads.

Clan deploy.

OIC Comms with 256 people.

PL comms with OIC, his platoon and or squad leaders.

Squad leaders with PL and OIC and squad.

Oh and also proxy chat with friend and enemy too.



Now stfu.

Fair enough but that is what the cost is now it's 10 AUR, and for a 1.99 you can get 4000 AUR. Which will then be refunded back to you on launch and then you can use it to purchase items. I mean a 1.99 deposit is reasonable and not worthy of all the rage. I mean can you really say you will NEVER buy AUR in this game im sure there is something you'd be willing to spend AUR on down the road.

They're only that cheap for the beta- once launch comes UVT's will be expensive again.

But final pricing is currently yet to be determined, so "expensive" is a relative term, and probably won't see them going up to the price they were on their initial release.

did you ever get into chromosome garret?

After a delete and re-download of the client, yeah. I'm up and running again.

And back on-topic (sort of) again... I'm not arguing that the current state of the beta is the right time for the current version of UVTs to be required for corp chat. I'm not even arguing that the UVTs we have now are the best option for corp voice chat. I'm not saying it wouldn't have been better if CCP released a corp-wide UVT-equivalent before springing this on us. I'm not saying that corp voice isn't a useful tool. I'm pointing out that it's NOT "needed" for people to play, or even to play well and coordinate. It's NOT pay-to-win, and it's NOT something that "every other game" has as a standard feature. Without paying ANYTHING, you can still chat with your squad AND the whole team freely (more freely than you can in MAG, actually).

When the player market is up and running, UVTs will be purchased with ISK by some players. If and when there's a corp-wide UVT item, there will be a way for the corp to provide voice comms to the whole corp quickly and easily. If they don't release such an item, UVTs will still be possible to trade from one corp member to another - either free if the player is willing, or at a great discount from the normal market value. It's highly likely that, if a corp UVT item doesn't eventually appear, some corporations will have a "stock" of UVTs provided by their CEO and/or Director(s) and issued to ALL corp members to enable voice comms.

Bottom line is, it was free to use before and now we have to pay real money for it. NOBODY should be defending this.

Seriously, you like having to pay money where you did not before? There is no gain here, it's 100% loss.

As for the reasoning about this supporting CCP, I seriously doubt this was even remotely necessary, there is so many other Aurum items on the market that people spend tons of cash on. All this does it give CCP a tiny bit more money and hurt the corps, because not everybody will be able to buy the UVT on a regular basis, or at all.

I for one will likely refuse to ever buy Aurum again because of this. It's a cheap move, plain and simple. Next they are going to start charging AUR to adjust the settings for my controller... or to change the brightness/audio options. Or, how about this, you will have to pay a monthly Aurum fee to use weapons above standard grade. Hey it's still f2p, you just need to use real cash to advance further than standard gear.

Give them an inch, and they WILL take a mile. The more people support this kind of thing, the more CCP will be able to screw us over and get away with it.