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KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.12.20 12:29:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG wrote:Gunner Visari wrote:Okay if im not mistaken isn't all the AUR you spend the during the closed beta going to be returned to you after the wipe before open beta and/or again before the full game release. If so then everyone complaining needs to STFU.
A 30 day UVT is 10 AUR, that is exactly 1/2 a penny U.S. that mean 1 year will cost you 6cents. And if you we get all our AUR back which i know we do i just cant find the thread from the devs that states it, then its a freaking 6 cent deposit for voice chat for a year. When the game drops you should be able to buy these features with ISK, also we may get a single UVT for all in corp chat so again STFU with you entitlement. Freaking 6 cents!!! really! You obviously weren't in beta when uvt's were introduced at, if I remember right, at 12,000 aur. It was not introduced at 1 aur, now 10 aur with restructure. BTW, that was about $3.00 a month or more just to speak to your corp mates. F2P......... lol......... Yeah right.
GET - IT - WITH - ISK |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
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Posted - 2012.12.20 12:39:00 -
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I really don't get why you think that listing other games that don't have this feature is even remotely relevant. Just because they don't do it, doesn't mean they're doing it right or best. After DCUO this is the only true attempt at an MMO on the PS3 and SEO obviously thought it important enough to include league wide chat for free.
You can't use corp chat in all those other games because organizing as a corp is not important outside of each individual match. In Dust (though it's not really important yet) it will be important to organize as a corp before setting up for attacks on other's territories or defending large scale attacks or whatever happens when we get full use of the star map and all that stuff.
As has already been stated this game will survive on the social scene that players can interact with and having free voice comms will ensure that no one has to put any money down to enjoy its full features. Even though it's free to play, people will still be loathed to pay even a tiny amount for any feature that will only enhance their social interaction. |
Odiain Suliis
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.12.20 12:45:00 -
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Quote: having free voice comms will ensure that no one has to put any money down to enjoy its full features.
And how would CCP or SONY makeup the initial investment costs, marketing costs, server costs (battleservers), voicecomms, further development costs, etc... Just alone with cosmetic items? I heavily doubt that.
And would you think that EVE side players are content of us freeriding on their side? Leetching from their sub money to non-spaceship things? |
Django Quik
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Posted - 2012.12.20 13:04:00 -
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Odiain Suliis wrote:Quote: having free voice comms will ensure that no one has to put any money down to enjoy its full features. And how would CCP or SONY makeup the initial investment costs, marketing costs, server costs (battleservers), voicecomms, further development costs, etc... Just alone with cosmetic items? I heavily doubt that. And would you think that EVE side players are content of us freeriding on their side? Leetching from their sub money to non-spaceship things?
You really think the few cents they earn from UVTs will cover all those things? They cover all those costs with the thousands of dollars that people are already spending on aurum items and merc packs. I'm fairly certain that all the aurum already bought averages out to at least $60 per beta player. Say there are (randomly chosen number) 10,000 players on the beta and each one buys a UVT each month - that's what $200 total CCP get (approximated at current values). If that truly covers the cost of the voice comms, they could extremely easily cover that with the money spent on aurum weapons/suits/modules.
The whole idea of F2P games is to encourage as many people as possible to stick around long enough that they will eventually feel that spending some money is worth it. People will not spend this money straight away because they'll want to see if they think it will be worth it. Anything they can do to increase the social scene of Dust will improve free player retention and increase the chance that those players who were initially looking to not spend anything at all on the game will eventually put some cash down. Free corp chat will allow players to become more committed to the game and feel more part of the community. |
ICECREAMK1NG
WARRIORS 1NC
391
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Posted - 2012.12.20 13:09:00 -
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Odiain Suliis wrote:Quote: having free voice comms will ensure that no one has to put any money down to enjoy its full features. And how would CCP or SONY makeup the initial investment costs, marketing costs, server costs (battleservers), voicecomms, further development costs, etc... Just alone with cosmetic items? I heavily doubt that. And would you think that EVE side players are content of us freeriding on their side? Leetching from their sub money to non-spaceship things?
Then they should of just charged for the game, which I would of bought like any other game I've paid for.
Instead of saying it's free to play, maybe they should be saying, it's free to download, but we're gonna charge for everything we can think of, once you've downloaded it, and eventually we'll have gotten a ton of money off you doing it like the good old UK stealth tax way.
I can easily afford this, but I will not pay for it.
Here have a FREE car. Just give me -ú30,000 for the registration and it's all yours for FREE.
lol. gtfo. |
Umbat Boki
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
157
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Posted - 2012.12.20 13:12:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG wrote:Odiain Suliis wrote:Quote: having free voice comms will ensure that no one has to put any money down to enjoy its full features. And how would CCP or SONY makeup the initial investment costs, marketing costs, server costs (battleservers), voicecomms, further development costs, etc... Just alone with cosmetic items? I heavily doubt that. And would you think that EVE side players are content of us freeriding on their side? Leetching from their sub money to non-spaceship things? Then they should of just charged for the game, which I would of bought like any other game I've paid for. Instead of saying it's free to play, maybe they should be saying, it's free to download, but we're gonna charge for everything we can think of, once you've downloaded it, and eventually we'll have gotten a ton of money off you doing it like the good old UK stealth tax way. I can easily afford this, but I will not pay for it. Here have a FREE car. Just give me -ú30,000 for the registration and it's all yours for FREE. lol. gtfo.
Are you new to F2P model? It's how it works. Also they don't charge for everything, that's important. At the moment I think that the number of paid features is too low for the project to survive. However I'm not pro in this aspect, CCP knows this better.
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ICECREAMK1NG
WARRIORS 1NC
391
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Posted - 2012.12.20 13:30:00 -
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Umbat Boki wrote:ICECREAMK1NG wrote:Odiain Suliis wrote:Quote: having free voice comms will ensure that no one has to put any money down to enjoy its full features. And how would CCP or SONY makeup the initial investment costs, marketing costs, server costs (battleservers), voicecomms, further development costs, etc... Just alone with cosmetic items? I heavily doubt that. And would you think that EVE side players are content of us freeriding on their side? Leetching from their sub money to non-spaceship things? Then they should of just charged for the game, which I would of bought like any other game I've paid for. Instead of saying it's free to play, maybe they should be saying, it's free to download, but we're gonna charge for everything we can think of, once you've downloaded it, and eventually we'll have gotten a ton of money off you doing it like the good old UK stealth tax way. I can easily afford this, but I will not pay for it. Here have a FREE car. Just give me -ú30,000 for the registration and it's all yours for FREE. lol. gtfo. Are you new to F2P model? It's how it works. Also they don't charge for everything, that's important. At the moment I think that the number of paid features is too low for the project to survive. However I'm not pro in this aspect, CCP knows this better.
NO I'm not new to BS and lies. They are just trying to charge for the WRONG things.
Charge for what people would happily for. Not things that will affect the social aspect of the game and put people off in droves. |
xAckie
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Legacy Rising
125
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Posted - 2012.12.20 13:40:00 -
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Umbat Boki wrote:ICECREAMK1NG wrote:Odiain Suliis wrote:Quote: having free voice comms will ensure that no one has to put any money down to enjoy its full features. And how would CCP or SONY makeup the initial investment costs, marketing costs, server costs (battleservers), voicecomms, further development costs, etc... Just alone with cosmetic items? I heavily doubt that. And would you think that EVE side players are content of us freeriding on their side? Leetching from their sub money to non-spaceship things? Then they should of just charged for the game, which I would of bought like any other game I've paid for. Instead of saying it's free to play, maybe they should be saying, it's free to download, but we're gonna charge for everything we can think of, once you've downloaded it, and eventually we'll have gotten a ton of money off you doing it like the good old UK stealth tax way. I can easily afford this, but I will not pay for it. Here have a FREE car. Just give me -ú30,000 for the registration and it's all yours for FREE. lol. gtfo. Are you new to F2P model? It's how it works. Also they don't charge for everything, that's important. At the moment I think that the number of paid features is too low for the project to survive. However I'm not pro in this aspect, CCP knows this better.
if you annoy your playerbase they move to other games. People who stay here will just move to Teamspeak. Corps members can download the client for free. This stops people communicating in a social game - thats the point. Not the crap cost.
Cost of the game gets recouped by getting people to pay with time spent, this investment leads to cash investment.
on the F2P model. Its less like the $60 you pay for a disk but like a shop. When I go into a shop to look at stuff I didnt pay to enter the shop to cover the cost of lighting, decoration, staff etc. I see corp chat as a key mechanic to get people into the shop, spend time and purchase items.
Isk alternatives? Who cares. The point is new players who have no investment in this game will just shrug shoulders not hear anyone and leave. One notable forum warrior left his first corp because they were on Teamspeak and couldn't hear anyone. He went to a new one (not ours). he has stuck around cause he wants to play this game even in this beta environment, what do you think those that are just loking will do?
Corp chat matters (I dont care about Eve/ Dust corp chat if that is what it can do) let UVT pay for that -everyone will just use teamspeak anyway. Corps are a key mechanic for this game to succeed.
And at OP the corp chat in MAG worked for me with 128 players - we could speak to everyone. In game I would much prefer MAGs voice comms to be honest (much more sensible) - than hearing everyone talk over each other, which we have now. And your challenge was met by DCUO on your own requirements (i think MAG met them). Also as a previous poster said who cares about what other games did. Thats irrelevant. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.12.20 14:10:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:I really don't get why you think that listing other games that don't have this feature is even remotely relevant. Just because they don't do it, doesn't mean they're doing it right or best. After DCUO this is the only true attempt at an MMO on the PS3 and SEO obviously thought it important enough to include league wide chat for free.
The reason it's relevant is stated in the OP. One of the more common complaints has been that "every other game has this feature" when that statement is blatantly untrue. As I've said already, I'm not arguing that CCp have done everything exactly right. I'm just pointing out that we're not being denied a feature that's common to the majority of games. If you're looking specifically at console games, or specifically at FPS games, it becomes even more unbelievable that people have made that claim.
Quote:You can't use corp chat in all those other games because organizing as a corp is not important outside of each individual match. In Dust (though it's not really important yet) it will be important to organize as a corp before setting up for attacks on other's territories or defending large scale attacks or whatever happens when we get full use of the star map and all that stuff.
Most decisions that need to be made on a level outside of a specific battle will be made by senior corporation members with minimal (if any) input desired or needed from the rest of the corp. When we get the option to create whole teams to deploy in rather than being limited to squads, we'll have free access to team chat while we wait for the team leader (commander?) to deploy. That will allow all the necessary discussion to be held WITHOUT PAYING ANYTHING.
Quote:As has already been stated this game will survive on the social scene that players can interact with and having free voice comms will ensure that no one has to put any money down to enjoy its full features. Even though it's free to play, people will still be loathed to pay even a tiny amount for any feature that will only enhance their social interaction.
How many times do people have to point out that WE ALREADY HAVE FREE VOICE COMMS WHERE IT MATTERS?
And how many times do people have to point out that WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SELL AND BUY UVTS WITH ISK? |
xAckie
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Legacy Rising
125
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Posted - 2012.12.20 14:12:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:
How many times do people have to point out that WE ALREADY HAVE FREE VOICE COMMS WHERE IT MATTERS?
NO WE DONT - caps effect cause apparently it will help get a point across... |
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2012.12.20 14:22:00 -
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xAckie wrote:Isk alternatives? Who cares. The point is new players who have no investment in this game will just shrug shoulders not hear anyone and leave. One notable forum warrior left his first corp because they were on Teamspeak and couldn't hear anyone. He went to a new one (not ours). he has stuck around cause he wants to play this game even in this beta environment, what do you think those that are just loking will do?
So a guy joined a corp, and the corp CEO or a Director accepted his application, but didn't explain that the team wasn't using Corp chat or provide the relevant information about how to access voice (or other) comms with corpmates? That doesn't sound like a problem with the game to me. That sounds like a valid reason not to be in that corp. People who suck at communicating won't suck significantly less just because you give them better tools.
Quote:Corp chat matters (I dont care about Eve/ Dust corp chat if that is what it can do) let UVT pay for that -everyone will just use teamspeak anyway. Corps are a key mechanic for this game to succeed.
Communicating with corp members matters. Voice chat when you're not in battle DOESN'T. It's an added, irrelevant extra that, while cool, doesn't provide any benefit that makes it unfair on players without access to the service.
Quote:And at OP the corp chat in MAG worked for me with 128 players - we could speak to everyone. In game I would much prefer MAGs voice comms to be honest (much more sensible) - than hearing everyone talk over each other, which we have now. And your challenge was met by DCUO on your own requirements (i think MAG met them). Also as a previous poster said who cares about what other games did. Thats irrelevant.
As I explained, it doesn't fit the criteria because, from what I can tell, it's only available when you're using the "team deploy" option, which means you're queued for battle. There isn't an option to speak with clanmates who are in a separate battle from the one you're in, or those who are on the enemy team, or people who are in battle while you're customising your loadouts between matches, or when you're in battle and the other people you're talking to aren't.
It ONLY works for players who are in THE SAME BATTLE or who are queued for THE SAME BATTLE, not for everyone in the clan/corp and in-game, regardless of what they're doing.
If we had team a deploy option in DUST (which is a reasonable feature to expect before release), then we'll be able to do everything MAG allows, within the smaller scope of our battlefields, for free. As it stands, if you queue-sync with corpmates, you an already do this by having everyone switch to the team channel.
And I already addressed my mistake with DCUO and added another 5 games to my counter-list. But MAG still doesn't fit the required criteria. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.12.20 14:27:00 -
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xAckie wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:
How many times do people have to point out that WE ALREADY HAVE FREE VOICE COMMS WHERE IT MATTERS?
NO WE DONT - caps effect cause apparently it will help get a point across...
So you skimmed my post and ignored the explanation of exactly why you're wrong just because I use caps for emphasis instead of bold or italics. I find it easier to hold shift (and yes, I ALWAYS hold shift. Caps-lock would be cheating) than to type a stack of code and hope I'm remembering the right formatting style for the forum I'm on.
I use a lot of different forums for various reasons, some of which use BBCode, some with html coding, some don't let you manually code and you have to click on buttons to make the desired effects appear, and some are terrible and old and don't have any way to add emphasis without using caps. So I use caps on all of them, because it's universally recognised as an emphatic point. Feel free to not do the same. Until all the forums I'm on use the same system, I'm going to go with the option that works consistently across all of them. |
ICECREAMK1NG
WARRIORS 1NC
391
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Posted - 2012.12.20 14:31:00 -
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2 major problems with this whole topic.
FOUR man squads are pathetic, for a supposed MMO.
No team deploy is also bloody ridiculous, as 99% of the time Q sync puts squads of the same corp on opposite teams. |
xAckie
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Legacy Rising
125
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Posted - 2012.12.20 14:32:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:xAckie wrote:Isk alternatives? Who cares. The point is new players who have no investment in this game will just shrug shoulders not hear anyone and leave. One notable forum warrior left his first corp because they were on Teamspeak and couldn't hear anyone. He went to a new one (not ours). he has stuck around cause he wants to play this game even in this beta environment, what do you think those that are just loking will do? So a guy joined a corp, and the corp CEO or a Director accepted his application, but didn't explain that the team wasn't using Corp chat or provide the relevant information about how to access voice (or other) comms with corpmates? That doesn't sound like a problem with the game to me. That sounds like a valid reason not to be in that corp. People who suck at communicating won't suck significantly less just because you give them better tools. And I already addressed my mistake with DCUO and added another 5 games to my counter-list. But MAG still doesn't fit the required criteria.
If a person (male or female) joins a corp and cant hear anyone s/he leaves. If this a new person who is trying Dust out they leave, and they can leave the game with no loss of investment apart from time. We want them to stay
You set the criteria and it was met by DCUO - your challenge was met. So you lost your own challenge.
But as I say, and someone above, any other game is irrelevant to this discussion. We are not talking about what others are/ have done but what Dust should do.
look, we clearly disagree, but caps dont help when discussing things. (Just seen your above post. Still think Caps means SHOUTING) |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
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Posted - 2012.12.20 14:41:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:How many times do people have to point out that WE ALREADY HAVE FREE VOICE COMMS WHERE IT MATTERS?
And how many times do people have to point out that WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SELL AND BUY UVTS WITH ISK?
Free voice comms in corps is important to the social dynamics of Dust 514. |
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
108
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Posted - 2012.12.20 14:52:00 -
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So if i'm reading all this correctly, this item people are arguing about costs 10 AUR? Oh no.
I'm sure by now there has been "It's the principle." or something similar. Just let them be defenders of justice. Some people will buy it, some people won't. Not much anybody can do about it, what with all the online voice chat options.
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2012.12.20 15:18:00 -
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xAckie wrote:If a person (male or female) joins a corp and cant hear anyone s/he leaves. If this a new person who is trying Dust out they leave, and they can leave the game with no loss of investment apart from time. We want them to stay
You can't JOIN a corp magically without anyone in the corp having to take any action. When you apply, you have to wait for a CEO or Director to approve the application. If they do that, and the corp doesn't use corp voice (regardless of whether the corp voice option is free or not), and nobody contacts you to let you know how to get in touch with your corpmates, that isn't the game's fault. People with no communication skills still suck at communicating even when they have good communication tools.
And lets look at a more likely scenario, given the rarity of games which actually support out-of-battle voice comms.
Player applies for corp. Senior corp member is an idiot, and approves the application without explaining anything to the new member. New corp member sees "oh, hey, i'm in the corporation now!" and looks in the corp channel. They either see "NO VOICE" in the top-left corner of the channel page, or they try talking and listening and nobody is responding, so they give text a try. They get a text response, and think, "would've been cool if we had voice comms, but ok" then get into a squad, and suddenly, their "squad" channel lights up. They switch to it, and now they can hear voices. AWESOME!
Quote:You set the criteria and it was met by DCUO - your challenge was met. So you lost your own challenge.
Obviously didn't read my challenge. I said that, for every game anyone can list that DOES meet the criteria, I'll name 5 that don't. EVE was the first game names, and DCUO was the second. I've provided more than 10 games in response.
Quote:But as I say, and someone above, any other game is irrelevant to this discussion. We are not talking about what others are/ have done but what Dust should do.
And I'm providing this thread as a counter to a specific argument on that side, NOT as a counter to ALL of them. I agree that there needs to be a player market where UVTs can be purchased for ISK. I'm in favour of a corp-wide UVT-like item that allows ONE purchase to unlock voice comms for the entire corp, rather than each individual needing their own UVT. With the ability to gift items to the corp, and the corp's ability to gift those items to specific individuals, there will be an easy workaround if a corp-wide item never appears, but it would still be preferable for this to be added.
Quote:look, we clearly disagree, but caps dont help when discussing things. (Just seen your above post. Still think Caps means SHOUTING)
And I'm sorry for shouting, but as I said, I will continue to do so - for the most part - as long as the various forums I use continue to have different requirements, and as long as CAPS is the only consistent and reliable method of adding emphasis to my comments. If I could be sure that the code used on this forum for bold would also work on all the various other forums I'm active in, I would gladly use that code in all of them. But it doesn't. No matter which forum I use, though, CAPS always shows up as CAPS. And shouting is a form of emphasis, even if it can sometimes be taken the wrong way. |
Odiain Suliis
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
112
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Posted - 2012.12.20 15:21:00 -
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Funny thing is that for corporation chat this UVT now might be ok.
But if i remember correctly the system hasnt got any mechanic for priority preaker, any hierarchy, and flat out no upward scalability high enough to support decent size corporation. |
Dairy Dravon
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:24:00 -
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Read the first post, skipped the rest.
Don't have a game, but I have a system feature: XBox 360 and its party feature. As long as I am a part of the party, I can talk to up to 6 people across different games and activities. Good for a small squad/corp I suppose |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:41:00 -
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Dairy Dravon wrote:Read the first post, skipped the rest.
Don't have a game, but I have a system feature: XBox 360 and its party feature. As long as I am a part of the party, I can talk to up to 6 people across different games and activities. Good for a small squad/corp I suppose
...and it's not only not a game, it's also part of the paid XBox Live service, not a free feature. |
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BASSMEANT
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
109
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Posted - 2012.12.21 15:18:00 -
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what's the problem here?
3 pages for this?
you guys honestly did not see this coming?
WTF did you think microtransactions were for? so they could charge for everything, nickel dime style, duhhhh!
weapons, gear, armor, mods... all these get used up.
you think coms don't?
c'mon, man.
and besides:
the big clans are gonna use teamspeak, skype or some other form of communication so it's not like this is a deal breaker.
it's not like you HAVE to use a uvc to play.
Peace
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Marston EV
Doomheim
75
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Posted - 2012.12.21 15:53:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG wrote:Say what you want, twist what you want, IDC. This is the worst comms setup, invite / join game / squad / group / add / mail etc I've ever had to use online. Which is why we don't, we did FYI try to use them when we started months ago, now we just don't really bother. So charge away CCP, there are always idiots who'll pay. Ask Mr imbango care of. Bank of Nigeria. 
2 dollars........ 2 dollars is all you need to buy enough UVT's for life. like seriously are you really that broke?? |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.12.21 16:29:00 -
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Marston EV wrote:2 dollars........ 2 dollars is all you need to buy enough UVT's for life. like seriously are you really that broke??
Even though I'm the OP, don't agree with the person you're replying to, and can point to the fact that player-market UVTs are confirmed already, you're wrong.
Current prices are temporary, and no announcement has been made on the final price for UVTs. |
ICECREAMK1NG
WARRIORS 1NC
391
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Posted - 2012.12.21 18:01:00 -
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Marston EV wrote:ICECREAMK1NG wrote:Say what you want, twist what you want, IDC. This is the worst comms setup, invite / join game / squad / group / add / mail etc I've ever had to use online. Which is why we don't, we did FYI try to use them when we started months ago, now we just don't really bother. So charge away CCP, there are always idiots who'll pay. Ask Mr imbango care of. Bank of Nigeria. 2 dollars........ 2 dollars is all you need to buy enough UVT's for life. like seriously are you really that broke??
Try reading the thread before replying next time, and making yourself look a complete imbecile.  |
ICECREAMK1NG
WARRIORS 1NC
391
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Posted - 2012.12.21 18:07:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:So if i'm reading all this correctly, this item people are arguing about costs 10 AUR? Oh no.
I'm sure by now there has been "It's the principle." or something similar. Just let them be defenders of justice. Some people will buy it, some people won't. Not much anybody can do about it, what with all the online voice chat options.
Jesus. another one.
No you didn't read it correctly.
Try again. Slowly. |
Octavian Vetiver
Dog Nation United
Relativity Alliance
152
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Posted - 2012.12.21 18:14:00 -
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fred orpaul wrote:EVE online
yes I know subscription based.
THIS IS WHAT YOU PEOPLE GET for wanting dust to not be like eve(lost steam).
meh what ever as long as it works out to less then my monthly subscription to eve for all three implants.
Originally voice chat on EVE when it came out was a pay option. Not free, however CCP found that the player base would not pay extra just to use it when teamspeak and vent were cheaper and covered the whole corp. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2012.12.21 21:21:00 -
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So is that it guys?
3 answers, and only 2 of them legit? Once of which is not only PC-exclusive, but also a subscription-based game by CCP, and the other of which requires at least one player to subscribe for at least a month to get set up.
If anyone has more examples, please share. I'd love to see myself proven wrong here (I won't, but it would be awesome if I did). |
J'Jor Da'Wg
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
648
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Posted - 2012.12.21 22:37:00 -
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SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote:tl;dr
Just because other games suck doesn't mean DUST should have to follow suit. Give us our corp voice back.
This x1000
In a large scale team based MMO that will require heavy coordination to win, you will have to pay for corp chat?
Alliance chat, that I can see being charged for, but corp chat?
No, no no and no.
I can just as easily go to TS3 for free (almost) and get that functionality.
In fact, the ENTIRE voice chat/chain of command needs an overhaul.
Stop kissing CCP's butt |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2012.12.24 04:50:00 -
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J'Jor Da'Wg wrote:SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote:tl;dr
Just because other games suck doesn't mean DUST should have to follow suit. Give us our corp voice back. This x1000 In a large scale team based MMO that will require heavy coordination to win, you will have to pay for corp chat? Alliance chat, that I can see being charged for, but corp chat? No, no no and no. I can just as easily go to TS3 for free (almost) and get that functionality. In fact, the ENTIRE voice chat/chain of command needs an overhaul. Stop kissing CCP's butt
Because EVE never charged for corp chat? (spoiler: Yes they did)
Because you need large-scale coordination outside of the team you're in battle with? (spoiler: No you don't)
And because the current state with no option to give other players UVTs or to have a single corp member buy a corp-wide UVT item is the intended final release plan? (Spoiler: No it isn't)
Wait and see how things ACTUALLY work out before deciding this is as terrible as you're making it sound. Also, this thread isn't here to argue the entire problem out and say CCP have made all the right decisions all the time. I don't think having corp chat require UVTs was a good decision with the way the current build works, and I agree they should have waited until they were ready to roll out all the tools to make corp voice actually a practical option before turning off the free version. This is to counter ONE point in the argument, which is the claim that "all other games" give you a corp voice chat equivalent for free. Even with me being generous, I'm seeing no hint that the odds are even as high as 1 in 6 for a game actually providing an equivalent feature at no extra charge. |
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Posted - 2012.12.24 08:50:00 -
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The utter missing of the point here by you is almost offensive, Garett. It doesn't matter what CCP PLANS to do- they plan to give us corp UVT's which will alleviate your hyperbolic and overdone first post's point. But we don't have those in the game NOW. Saying that large-scale coordination outside of the team you're in battle with is unnecessary is simply wrong, in such an obvious way that I don't even need to argue it.
Garett Blacknova wrote:I don't think having corp chat require UVTs was a good decision with the way the current build works
This is the chiefest of concerns for all of the corporations involved in this fiasco. This decision isn't just not good, it's worse than bad. One of the features that I've heralded far and wide to friends, one of the features that makes the game exponentially more entertaining for any member of an organized corp, is gone.
This entire thread is in the wrong tone and might lead CCP to believe that they can delay on implementing corp UVT features, and even seems to argue that the corp UVT situation isn't particularly severe. Someone might even think that a corp UVT is unnecessary, when in fact it's one of the most essential pieces of functionality that CCP can include with Dust 514.
If you don't like the point but agree with the idea, you're doing a great job making an inconsequential point overshadow the true issue. |
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