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Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2012.12.24 09:32:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:Saying that large-scale coordination outside of the team you're in battle with is unnecessary is simply wrong, in such an obvious way that I don't even need to argue it.
Claiming you don't need to argue a point implies that everyone (myself included) already understands and agrees with you. Obviously, that isn't the case.
Also, you seem to be intentionally twisting what I've said to something you can argue with, or maybe just missing the point. At no point have I said that corp-wide communication is unnecessary. But also, at no point has anyone provided a valid reason why corp-wide VOICE communication is necessary. In battle, voice comms are faster and more efficient. In battle, fast and efficient communication is key. Between battles, voice comms make FAR less difference
Quote:Garett Blacknova wrote:I don't think having corp chat require UVTs was a good decision with the way the current build works This is the chiefest of concerns for all of the corporations involved in this fiasco. This decision isn't just not good, it's worse than bad. One of the features that I've heralded far and wide to friends, one of the features that makes the game exponentially more entertaining for any member of an organized corp, is gone.
So an aspect of the game that was specifically promoted by CCP as something that wasn't intended to work the way you were using it, and which IS STILL IN THE GAME, but now in the originally-advertised form, is now "gone" and it's somehow CCP's fault you used a feature they haven't announced publicly (therefore violating NDA) as a way to promote the game?
Quote:This entire thread is in the wrong tone and might lead CCP to believe that they can delay on implementing corp UVT features, and even seems to argue that the corp UVT situation isn't particularly severe. Someone might even think that a corp UVT is unnecessary, when in fact it's one of the most essential pieces of functionality that CCP can include with Dust 514.
Looking purely at the OP, I can see how you might get this impression, but not if you've read more than one post in the thread.
Quote:If you don't like the point but agree with the idea, you're doing a great job making an inconsequential point overshadow the true issue.
And again, not my intent. This thread is meant to focus on one aspect where people were abusing an invalid argument to support their opinions, and prove that the point they were trying to argue isn't valid. I wasn't arguing that none of the other points are valid or important, just that one point in particular is an epic fail and should be dropped by the people using it to support their argument. |
Leither Yiltron
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Posted - 2012.12.24 10:05:00 -
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Khal V'Rani
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Posted - 2012.12.24 11:09:00 -
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Well, admittedly I'm ignorant of popular social culture when it comes to online games as this is the first online game I've ever played so, to add my two cents, I downloaded this game not knowing anyone who either plays or played Eve and/or Dust. So after downloading the game back in August I had to try and figure this whole hot mess out myself. At some point within a week or two I read something that said the UVT was needed for everything outside of battle (however it was stated). Whether that was in game or on the forums I don't remember. The point is it was out there, perhaps it wasn't easy to find or it was oddly worded but it was there. I had no idea that corp chat was free, whether by bug or design, as I thought a UVT was needed for ANYTHING outside of battle. Perhaps this whole problem could've been mitigated with clearer explanations of the communication system. I don't know. I do know that CCP has the right to change things as they see fit without warning or notice as is stated in the EULA or terms and conditions or wherever that is. I do think that a Corp level UVT should be a purchasable item by both Aurum and ISK however.
I know it's not on target for the challenge Garrett, my apologies for that.
TL;DR - This is where the problem is.  |
Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2013.01.21 00:47:00 -
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Khal V'Rani wrote:Well, admittedly I'm ignorant of popular social culture when it comes to online games as this is the first online game I've ever played so, to add my two cents, I downloaded this game not knowing anyone who either plays or played Eve and/or Dust. So after downloading the game back in August I had to try and figure this whole hot mess out myself. At some point within a week or two I read something that said the UVT was needed for everything outside of battle (however it was stated). Whether that was in game or on the forums I don't remember. The point is it was out there, perhaps it wasn't easy to find or it was oddly worded but it was there. I had no idea that corp chat was free, whether by bug or design, as I thought a UVT was needed for ANYTHING outside of battle. Perhaps this whole problem could've been mitigated with clearer explanations of the communication system. I don't know. I do know that CCP has the right to change things as they see fit without warning or notice as is stated in the EULA or terms and conditions or wherever that is. I do think that a Corp level UVT should be a purchasable item by both Aurum and ISK however. I know it's not on target for the challenge Garrett, my apologies for that. TL;DR - This is where the problem is.
Thanks for that, but to be fair, the descriptions of how comms work have always been easily-accessible (at least as far as anything in this game is) and have always explained things working as they do currently. At no point has anyone been TOLD that corp voice was free, or was meant to be free. Even while it was free, CCP were actively promoting that UVTs were required for corp voice.
Also, just giving this a bump in the hope (probably in vain) that someone else will find something I'm missing here. |
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