Well i dont know how the other tankers are feeling but tank battles are getting boring and dull (tank vs tank). Mainly because its no fun anymore to challenge another tank simply because when you get to a certain lvl you 2 shot allmost any kind off tank. Ive enjoyed the last build more in that kinda aspect. Where you needed multiple hits+the help off your gunners to take out a enemy tank with yours. Another thing is that on the last build i was aible to even challenge a gunnlogi/sagaris with just a decent fit soma. I still remember that ive put some good armor modules, a railgun from salvage and 2 small missile launchers on it and it was ready to go head-head with other tanks. But now with damage mods+skillbook damage its quite impossible to go as a newbie tanker into a fight against a guy who is very high skilled into them. Also those militia tanks are allmost every time 1 shoted. I never remember to 1 shot a good fited militia tank on the last build. Now tank fights are basically who can get a better shot off to the enemy tank which is sitting in his redline. We came a long road downhill at the stage which we have now. extreme powerfull railgun turrets (damage mod+skillbook damage is the reason for that) on quite weak tanks with allmost no resistance. In my opinion get rid off damage mods/skillbook damage bonus, give the tanks their resistance back, buff missiles so that they actually work and buff small blasters to be a viable option. That would ecnourage tankers to actually go out again and not just sitting in their redline. And ive seen allmost no tank vs tank fights this build aswell. And no sitting in the redline and just shoting everything that moves doesnt count as tank fight.

Well i dont know how the other tankers are feeling but tank battles are getting boring and dull (tank vs tank). Mainly because its no fun anymore to challenge another tank simply because when you get to a certain lvl you 2 shot allmost any kind off tank. Ive enjoyed the last build more in that kinda aspect. Where you needed multiple hits+the help off your gunners to take out a enemy tank with yours. Another thing is that on the last build i was aible to even challenge a gunnlogi/sagaris with just a decent fit soma. I still remember that ive put some good armor modules, a railgun from salvage and 2 small missile launchers on it and it was ready to go head-head with other tanks. But now with damage mods+skillbook damage its quite impossible to go as a newbie tanker into a fight against a guy who is very high skilled into them. Also those militia tanks are allmost every time 1 shoted. I never remember to 1 shot a good fited militia tank on the last build. Now tank fights are basically who can get a better shot off to the enemy tank which is sitting in his redline. We came a long road downhill at the stage which we have now. extreme powerfull railgun turrets (damage mod+skillbook damage is the reason for that) on quite weak tanks with allmost no resistance. In my opinion get rid off damage mods/skillbook damage bonus, give the tanks their resistance back, buff missiles so that they actually work and buff small blasters to be a viable option. That would ecnourage tankers to actually go out again and not just sitting in their redline. And ive seen allmost no tank vs tank fights this build aswell. And no sitting in the redline and just shoting everything that moves doesnt count as tank fight.

Also agree that small blasters and small rails are a joke atm
Small rails needs a buff in range and dmg imo. That would make Derpships a viable AV vehicle as well as helpin out tanks as well in AV fights

Small Blasters do less damage than ARs............nuff said

I wish that tanks and other vehicles had a ton of HP, were weak to swarms and forge guns, but could withstand lots of heavy fire from other vehicles and turrets.

For instance, like 5x the amount of hp that they have right now, but AV weapons having only 4x the amount of damage. As long as you kept the turrets the same that they are now, turrets couldn't decimate other tanks unless they were rail guns. rail guns should also have an increase in power so they can be specialized for tanks that are specifically going to be anti-vehicle.

As long as the tank wasn't easily blown up with any type of turret, that's how I invision tanks actually working the way they should.

Well i dont know how the other tankers are feeling but tank battles are getting boring and dull (tank vs tank). Mainly because its no fun anymore to challenge another tank simply because when you get to a certain lvl you 2 shot allmost any kind off tank. Ive enjoyed the last build more in that kinda aspect. Where you needed multiple hits+the help off your gunners to take out a enemy tank with yours. Another thing is that on the last build i was aible to even challenge a gunnlogi/sagaris with just a decent fit soma. I still remember that ive put some good armor modules, a railgun from salvage and 2 small missile launchers on it and it was ready to go head-head with other tanks. But now with damage mods+skillbook damage its quite impossible to go as a newbie tanker into a fight against a guy who is very high skilled into them. Also those militia tanks are allmost every time 1 shoted. I never remember to 1 shot a good fited militia tank on the last build. Now tank fights are basically who can get a better shot off to the enemy tank which is sitting in his redline. We came a long road downhill at the stage which we have now. extreme powerfull railgun turrets (damage mod+skillbook damage is the reason for that) on quite weak tanks with allmost no resistance. In my opinion get rid off damage mods/skillbook damage bonus, give the tanks their resistance back, buff missiles so that they actually work and buff small blasters to be a viable option. That would ecnourage tankers to actually go out again and not just sitting in their redline. And ive seen allmost no tank vs tank fights this build aswell. And no sitting in the redline and just shoting everything that moves doesnt count as tank fight.

To be fair, historically speaking that's an accurate depiction of armoured warfare between AFVs of comparable performance. Most MBTs will affectively destroy/neutralise eachother on the first shot. Whoever lands the first blow is likely to come out the victor.

Now, if you want armoured warfare that is a slugging match you need to look back to early WWII or perhaps WWI for a time when tanks had a bigger bark than their bite. I think you'll find it actually makes for boring gameplay however having played a few sims. Essentially you need to get in close or flank for a chance to penetrate the enemy armour with your inadequate main gun.

Stalking an equally lethal tank is far more enjoyable in terms of sense of achievement when you take out the other guy. Perhaps the issue is that the fights are boring because the 'fear of death' associated with losing your tank is low? Perhaps there needs to be armoured warfare maps where the engagement ranges aren't so suicidally close and unavoidable? Perhaps CCP need to make armoured warfare a bit more sophisticated in Dust? Reward flank shots and introduce some 'sweet spots' where armour is less to reward smart tankers who flank and exploit the weaknesses of enemy equipment while punishing those lazy players that expose themselves to disadvantaged engagements (barrelling down a road with no infantry support and an enemy tank hiding behind rubble in wait)

2 things i wanna see happen

1. tank fights brought back
2. rewards for poppin another tank (av infantry or tanker) buffed significantly. Both WPs and ISK for destroying HAVs is pathetic imo

Tank vs tank is now who saw who 1st

For example yday Meode joined a match in which it was mostly empty and he called down his tank which a 2shot from the sky as it was called in, i nearly did it again but he got it and 2shot me back

Same with metimagic i nearly 1 shot his Sagaris tbh yday but it was 2shot

On any shield tank i can 2 shot it with my current setup, milita gets 1 shot, bolas 2 shots

Missiles are not used, blasters are kinda rare but atm railguns>all mostly due to the fact of the pure damage they give out

Also its more psychological now with the tanks and trying to get the upperhand so you can get that 1st shot off and then that quick 2nd or trying to survive that 1st shot you recieved

Forge guns in general can pretty much 3 shot a shield tank


So atm we do have powerful turret - Railgun, with a weak hull and crap small turrets

TBH the railgun should stay the same damage wise, it should not get nerfed because the forge gun should not be better than a large railgun, increase its turn speed and let it overheat after 3 cont shots

Missiles no random missile spread, maybe decrease direct damage up splash and radius damage, increase range a bit

Blasters seem fine mostly

Tanks resistances need to be put back so more options are available, more tank HP in general id say aswell

Swarms need fixing, no lock on through cover/jumping while firing/missiles bending around cover

Forge gun reduce the range a bit, no splash damage, no jumping while charging either

Also skillbook wise take away the extra damage from skill up turrets and the prof in general, just keep it to the turret skillbook and damage mods tbh and instead give the the turetts and the prof advantages to using that turret like 5% less cooldown to hybrid or whatever

Amror needs active mods, also swarms take away 30% damage against armor

Tank vs tank is now who saw who 1st

For example yday Meode joined a match in which it was mostly empty and he called down his tank which a 2shot from the sky as it was called in, i nearly did it again but he got it and 2shot me back

Same with metimagic i nearly 1 shot his Sagaris tbh yday but it was 2shot

On any shield tank i can 2 shot it with my current setup, milita gets 1 shot, bolas 2 shots

Missiles are not used, blasters are kinda rare but atm railguns>all mostly due to the fact of the pure damage they give out

Also its more psychological now with the tanks and trying to get the upperhand so you can get that 1st shot off and then that quick 2nd or trying to survive that 1st shot you recieved

Forge guns in general can pretty much 3 shot a shield tank


So atm we do have powerful turret - Railgun, with a weak hull and crap small turrets

TBH the railgun should stay the same damage wise, it should not get nerfed because the forge gun should not be better than a large railgun, increase its turn speed and let it overheat after 3 cont shots

Missiles no random missile spread, maybe decrease direct damage up splash and radius damage, increase range a bit

Blasters seem fine mostly

Tanks resistances need to be put back so more options are available, more tank HP in general id say aswell

Swarms need fixing, no lock on through cover/jumping while firing/missiles bending around cover

Forge gun reduce the range a bit, no splash damage, no jumping while charging either

Also skillbook wise take away the extra damage from skill up turrets and the prof in general, just keep it to the turret skillbook and damage mods tbh and instead give the the turetts and the prof advantages to using that turret like 5% less cooldown to hybrid or whatever

Amror needs active mods, also swarms take away 30% damage against armor

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Forge gun reduce the range a bit, no splash damage, no jumping while charging either

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i agree that passive skill damage bonus are too much, i think that hybrids should get a heat buildup reduction and missiles a reduction to the spread.

I know this is old but, I keep ripping apart rails with my blaster... guess I just know how to fit my tank ;D

also their called HAV's stop saying tank it confuses people.

If you came up against any decent rail tanker you would get whacked before you would be able to get close enough

We are now playing the small section map, that include 3 to 5 PI structures. I think Forges doesn't need messing around range or we will have replay from previously build when Forge Gun whose completely useless. Besides, it would be cool if CCP try to fix effective range indicator on Forges in first place - proto Breach always show 100% but it never reach same target that Assault do(400m.~).
I think splash dmg in general thing is something logical on forges . But, hey let's think of it in term of game, Let's Imagine a situation when Forges will not have splash dmg at all - every tank he hitting could be constantly repairing by gang of logibro use tank as a cover, and tanks would be killable only on close or to kill a tank you will required several snipers(hell yea!).
I never thought that I could jump while charging Forge gun, but if you're talking about aim that shake and jump wile charging I need to tell it have no affect on shooting from Forge.

Back to OP: I think that something need to be change, because right now situation of tanks is deadly boring(from Forge gunner perspective). If tank is camping from the hill I cannot shoot him(because each time he get some decent dmg he instantly hide). If tank driver decide to roll from the hill and be a hero at the middle of map, he is dies after 3 to 4 shots. It's cool thing to kill tank it really is, but I would rather owed GÇïGÇïit to tactics I use or intelligence() rather than physical skills of aiming, fiting, character skills and pressing the "R1" button in the regular intervals..
I would like to see DropShip's that actually co-operate with tank drivers on the field and do 'logistic' things for them or LAV that remotely boost they turrets capability. I want that Forge gunner role on field was not limited to that few shots, and if HAV could have support from other vehicle that would be cool if AV guy's have something like that to.