Location is a key factor aswell though aswell as individual player skill. Rails > Everything else isn't really correct. I use blasters as a main weapon, rails for when I feel like denying players vehicles in their redzone. I've come across quite a few Railgun users and the majority die, unless they camp somewhere, like on their redline. I'm a pretty reckless tank driver so one of my main tactics is rushing an enemy tank. I enjoy smashing into the side of an enemy tank, because it knocked them upwards and they're unable to shoot me anymore. Blasters and Missiles (in TvT) seems quite balanced but Rails do hurt quite a bit. Perhaps lowering the damage slightly (not NERF, but TWEAK) whilst keeping the range will make it a useful but balanced weapon.

You on about tweeking the railgun damage? if so its a no because the forge guns already rival it in damage and its a handheld version if anything the railgun should keep its damage and forge should drop a bit

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Tanks 2 shot other tanks? I dont drive 'em, but I'd think maybe CCP would put some kind of damage modifier for vehicle vs vehicle so that one can't just pounce and destroy. If a tank + squad goes up against another tank + squad, and the tanks kill eachother before the squads even fire, that's a problem for the side that lost the tank too quickly.

The forge is fine, especially considering the double drawback of the breaches and inability to hold a charge in the assaults. They're meant to close the gap between infantry and artillery and do their job fine

So in your opinion only tanks should be able to take on tanks? Because that's exactly what would happen if forges got nerfed again. Bringing eve into the mix, steath bombers carry one of the most singularly devastating payloads that allow groups of bombers to tackle larger targets and in no way is the concept of weaker units wrecking hardened targets

SB cloak up big difference tbh, they are for sneaky sneaky attacks, are you asking for a cloak on your heavy suit? but also its a very specialized ship and heavys are not

Forge gun is a handheld rail gun, but large beats a handheld anyday or so it should, the turret is far bigger and should deliver the projectile at a faster rate so more damage is caused, its downside it overheats after 2 cont shots and is crap in CQC

Obviously we're ignoring the speed the damage is done... 1.5+0.8=2.3 seconds. We all know tank vs tank is 2 shots so..,,
1.) you die to 2 forge shots, get a new tank, because you have fail fit.
2.) while carrying a forge you are VERY vulnerable to small arms, snipers, tanks, Dropships ect. Tanks only worry about rails, forge and swarms.

No to Rail dmg nerf
the strongest FGs do more dmg than the strongest rails
nerfing rails would just make it useless as an AV weapon especially since passive bonuses will most def be changed from dmg to something else

Please don't exaggerate. I've never seen a Forge Gun do 5.5K damage like your Railgun tank has. =\

Breach Forge gun base damage is 2500?

most powerful rail gun base damage is 2000?

Forge guns far too OP

55% hybrid turret damage from PASSIVE skills. Rail guns are Op. Forges get 10%. That's all.

You shield tank scrubs don't know what overpowered means. Try taking an armour tank vs CBR7 swarms.

not exaggerating actually

look at Meode's post ill quote it for u



BASE DMG of the best rail is 2052
Breach FG BASE DMG is around 2500

both heavies and tanks have skills to increase dmg passively along with mods
lrn to fit ur stuff

even before CCP added passive dmg to the turret skills FGs still had passive dmg bonuses along with other infantry weapons.

Like i said im fine with FGs as they are atm but no to a rail nerf

You forgot 20% from Marauder skill and 10% from general turrets skill. (sure you need a Surya, but the damage will be 7k or there abouts). I know you run them lovely armour tanks Mav, and respect for fighting the good fight :)

I am waiting for someone to 1 shot 3 mil of tank :D my money is on team Alldin.

Marauder skill only affects racial turrets aka lolmissiles and blasters not rail guns
we are comparing railgun dmg and passive buffs to the best FG dmg with passive buffs and it still stands at 25% increase to a 2500 FG to a 10% increase to a 2052 railgun

PS: Marauder skill was also only added this build
imo only marauder skill and turret op should grant passive dmg bonuses
other turret skills can provide better bonuses than increase in dmg


@ Sephirian how do u know u were gettin hit by breach fgs?
alot of ppl also use assault FGs because of the quick charge time

My bad, thought it was hybrid turrets not just blasters. There's still the accuracy, range, ect that rails have over forges. But that's not what this is about. It's about tank vs tank, and the fact that rail tank is a VITAL part of any team. All the other vehicles are suicide vs a good rail.

Because I try to remember the names of good Heavies and their equipments like I try to remember the names of tank commanders and what their type of tank they drive. There's several heavies that I had consistently run into that use the Proto Breach Forge Gun. Blackwinter is one of those Heavies and he's done a fairly large chunk of damage to me, but I've never been hit for more than 4K damage from him. I think a good hit from him usually runs at about 3700~3900.


Also, does the Marauder skill really not affect Railguns? In the Development videos concerning vehicles I could have sworn that CCP stated that Caldari (Shield Tanks) were specialized into Railguns. O_o

no it doesnt affect rails
CCP Blam said some wrong ****....which is kinda funny since they the ones working on the game

Surya - Bonus to large blasters w/ marauder skill
Sagaris - Bonus to large missiles w/ marauder skill

no one gets a bonus to rails

No one gets a bonus to rails? hm i thought Gallente would tbh but then again Caldari also do use hybrids, maybe they gonna make some more tanks for the races because laser will be Amarr and Minmitar projectile

Gallente are Blasters while Caldari are Railguns, at least that's what the Vehicle Development videos stated. I'd agree with Amarrian being Laser based, and a toss-up for Minmitar to pick up one of the remaining ones.

Now that I think about it, that might cause some irritating imbalances between turrets, especially if a turret is left out of the Maurauder skillbook. 4 races need 2 turrets apiece. CCP needs to make two more turret types and give each racial tank two different turrets to boost. Lol.

caldari gets a bonus to missiles based on what it says INGAME
Minmatar would be projectile so the autocannon will get a bonus to a minmatar tank

Yes, sorry. My mistake. I just have a feeling that it'll be switched eventually, so I spoke without thinking about what it currently is. My bad.

not exaggerating actually

look at Meode's post ill quote it for u



BASE DMG of the best rail is 2052
Breach FG BASE DMG is around 2500

both heavies and tanks have skills to increase dmg passively along with mods
lrn to fit ur stuff

even before CCP added passive dmg to the turret skills FGs still had passive dmg bonuses along with other infantry weapons.

Like i said im fine with FGs as they are atm but no to a rail nerf