In short, there are two months left in the year (Wow did it go by fast), and the game still suffers from severe technical issues, coupled with either broken or partially developed core mechanics. During the 2 or so months I've tested the game, I have noticed improvement in many of the game's elements such as the UI, player interaction, and visual effects. However, if the game were to release as it is in the coming months then I do not see how it will fair well to reviewers or players who aren't part of the EVE fanbase.

I am aware that it is a free MMO, and thus will forever be updated. (Considering CCP stays in business, which is likely)

Despite that, the game is not ready to be revealed to the public in this state (in my opinion). No matter if it were $60 retail or came bundled for free with every PS3 system, being released in this state will be inexcusable.

My complaints mostly stem from that the game is both technically and fundamentally broken on numerous aspects. According to other player previews, these issues have not been fixed for well over several months. This leads me to infer that they won't be fixed completely in the coming months as well. Yet, while the bigger issues are either being ignored (or at least not being addressed to the players as often), new features are being added with their own issues. Would it be better to focus more on the core mechanics of shooting, connectivity, and stability before worrying about nerfing weapons?

This game has huge potential, but I truly think a release around this time next year would be the best option.

In short, there are two months left in the year (Wow did it go by fast), and the game still suffers from severe technical issues, coupled with either broken or partially developed core mechanics. During the 2 or so months I've tested the game, I have noticed improvement in many of the game's elements such as the UI, player interaction, and visual effects. However, if the game were to release as it is in the coming months then I do not see how it will fair well to reviewers or players who aren't part of the EVE fanbase.

I am aware that it is a free MMO, and thus will forever be updated. (Considering CCP stays in business, which is likely)

Despite that, the game is not ready to be revealed to the public in this state (in my opinion). No matter if it were $60 retail or came bundled for free with every PS3 system, being released in this state will be inexcusable.

My complaints mostly stem from that the game is both technically and fundamentally broken on numerous aspects. According to other player previews, these issues have not been fixed for well over several months. This leads me to infer that they won't be fixed completely in the coming months as well. Yet, while the bigger issues are either being ignored (or at least not being addressed to the players as often), new features are being added with their own issues. Would it be better to focus more on the core mechanics of shooting, connectivity, and stability before worrying about nerfing weapons?

This game has huge potential, but I truly think a release around this time next year would be the best option.

Actually, the stuff they're adding is needing to be tested. Release is scheduled for later this year; otherwise, Sony would null the contract and this game will be scrapped. They have to keep giving us more to test. Yeah. Its going to be a long 2 months, but this new stuff they keep adding has to be tested, or else full release will be a long way's away. We gotta test all this stuff, and we gotta make sure we streamline this testing as best we can, or the game'll suffer.

Actually, the stuff they're adding is needing to be tested. Release is scheduled for later this year; otherwise, Sony would null the contract and this game will be scrapped. They have to keep giving us more to test. Yeah. Its going to be a long 2 months, but this new stuff they keep adding has to be tested, or else full release will be a long way's away. We gotta test all this stuff, and we gotta make sure we streamline this testing as best we can, or the game'll suffer.

Well that's disappointing.

I understand the need to test new implementations, but what good is that when the core foundations remain unchanged? Couldn't these newer concepts be introduced once the game is stable enough for an initial public release?

Well that's disappointing.

I understand the need to test new implementations, but what good is that when the core foundations remain unchanged? Couldn't these newer concepts be introduced once the game is stable enough for an initial public release?

The most basic parts which compose the game.
Including:
Movement
Shooting other players
Communicating with other players

They all have remained the same, or are still in great need of improvement. Communication has improved much more than the other aspects from what I have seen so far.

I have a theory

CCP as 2 versions of dust

the release version-which only they have access to atm

and the beta version-which we are playing the hell out of

they add content to the beta to see how it works and if it does it is then implemented into the release game
what we are playing is constantly updated and subject to change every single day .

I have a theory

CCP as 2 versions of dust

the release version-which only they have access to atm

and the beta version-which we are playing the hell out of

they add content to the beta to see how it works and if it does it is then implemented into the release game
what we are playing is constantly updated and subject to change every single day .

In an interview they said Spring 2013.

I have a theory

CCP as 2 versions of dust

the release version-which only they have access to atm

and the beta version-which we are playing the hell out of

they add content to the beta to see how it works and if it does it is then implemented into the release game
what we are playing is constantly updated and subject to change every single day .

Add:
Grouping mechanics
Player counts
Matchmaking logic
Bland maps
No proxy chat

Clearly there is about 2-3 years work left, at least, to turn this into a AAA release

The concept is great, but the development methodology, the testing methodology and overall execution is sub-par.

I have a theory

CCP as 2 versions of dust

the release version-which only they have access to atm

and the beta version-which we are playing the hell out of

they add content to the beta to see how it works and if it does it is then implemented into the release game
what we are playing is constantly updated and subject to change every single day .

The most basic parts which compose the game.
Including:
Movement
Shooting other players
Communicating with other players

They all have remained the same, or are still in great need of improvement. Communication has improved much more than the other aspects from what I have seen so far.

That's what a beta IS!
A dumbed down version of what's to be a final release code. Your theory is right....but its not a theory......its a fact

Actually, the stuff they're adding is needing to be tested. Release is scheduled for later this year; otherwise, Sony would null the contract and this game will be scrapped. They have to keep giving us more to test. Yeah. Its going to be a long 2 months, but this new stuff they keep adding has to be tested, or else full release will be a long way's away. We gotta test all this stuff, and we gotta make sure we streamline this testing as best we can, or the game'll suffer.

Where did you come up with this?

Sounds like BS to me.

I predict we still have a few months to go until we get a proper, retail (free) release.
At a complete guess, release date will be the 14th May ... Or in American date format 5.14.

They probably will set up the core foundations and such before long. Have a little faith in CCP, they've done this before.

You don't get it do ya? Lol
when eve came out in 2003 it was bugged, and half the features in the game now were not present on release, its taken time to get it to what it is now.
Yes dust is buggy, yes it has problems, but over time it will improve. If this was going to be a disk release title then there would be worries but its not, its digital.
So because its digital that means its constantly evolving and having bugs fixed and features added. This is not final release code, its beta code. Upon final release it may still have some bugs and not all announced features will be present but that will change over time.
alot of people are coming into this BETA expecting a final release code, well it don't work that way. A game of this magnitude takes alot of time to develop and fix, the daily downtimes are not for ccp to go make tea and shoot pool........the daily downtimes are for fixing bugs. If ccp took dust offline altogether to fix it then y'all would be moaning about that too. If everything is not ironed out FOR release then it will be ironed out bit by bit AFTER release, just like eve was.......and look where eve is now.

It took them 10 YEARS to get EVE where it is now by that time PS5 would be on it's way. What will happen if PS4 drops and gets a planetside 2 port or Sony decides to give the Planetside devs a crack at MAG 2? 10 years is to long for a console game. This is why I said months ago CCP should just take it to the PC and be done with it.

I predict we still have a few months to go until we get a proper, retail (free) release.
At a complete guess, release date will be the 14th May ... Or in American date format 5.14.

In short, there are two months left in the year (Wow did it go by fast), and the game still suffers from severe technical issues, coupled with either broken or partially developed core mechanics. During the 2 or so months I've tested the game, I have noticed improvement in many of the game's elements such as the UI, player interaction, and visual effects. However, if the game were to release as it is in the coming months then I do not see how it will fair well to reviewers or players who aren't part of the EVE fanbase.

I am aware that it is a free MMO, and thus will forever be updated. (Considering CCP stays in business, which is likely)

Despite that, the game is not ready to be revealed to the public in this state (in my opinion). No matter if it were $60 retail or came bundled for free with every PS3 system, being released in this state will be inexcusable.

My complaints mostly stem from that the game is both technically and fundamentally broken on numerous aspects. According to other player previews, these issues have not been fixed for well over several months. This leads me to infer that they won't be fixed completely in the coming months as well. Yet, while the bigger issues are either being ignored (or at least not being addressed to the players as often), new features are being added with their own issues. Would it be better to focus more on the core mechanics of shooting, connectivity, and stability before worrying about nerfing weapons?

This game has huge potential, but I truly think a release around this time next year would be the best option.

this game gets better with every big patch.

you're deluded.

Just as deluded with anyone that thinks that there's going to be a MAG 2.

Now this is just a therory so dont jump my butt about it BUT i belive Dust 514 will be released in junction with the new EVE Expansion coming out this winter "Retribution". It makes sense Dust514 Release winter. EVE expansion Winter. Dont forget people will still have one final build before unvieling the Curtian.

Call me crazy but i have a Feeling this new build is going to be THE build the one to crush all others the one that Hopefully will Reveal The true Scope of Dust!

MAG was extremely successful for new IP.

It had the most active community out of all the PS3 shooters.

There is huge commercial potential in a MAG 2, just needs to be executed properly.

You can bet it will be made for PS4, it will have 512 player battles, clan wars, better MMO and persistence mechanics and I'm sure whomever develops it will make more than 3 maps for every game mode.....

MAG was too early, it needed better hardware and players with better connections, which by 2014, will be available.....

Just you wait and see.

@"Faith" in CCP?
They've made 1 game in 10 years. Wtf do you have faith in? EvE has had no real competition either. CCP fanboy muppetry.

"MAG was extremely successful for new IP."

i'm still waiting for the punchline.

Peace
B

Could you name other company that is capable to make a MMO that last 10 years for me, especially nowaday ?
How many game have said company made ?

Blizzard have made quite a few games. WoW did pretty well I'd say. Wasn't my thing, obviously wasn't yours. I gave up playing PC games when I got my ps3. You could class d2 as an MMO. Up to a point. That game was the best :D
But anyway, CCP made a great game with EvE but it's not exactly high paced moment to moment game play. It's a large part of why I can't get into EvE. Freelancer was better, but not really MMO. (ps Discovery Mod is essential to freelancer. 144 player 23/7 server is the awesomeness. Must log in again sometime).
I just have no more faith in CCP than any other company developing it's second major release.

im bored are you ?

And Th3rdsun, given that games in the list below with similar figures are either sequels, or have had further versions made or in progress, I'd say the same logic will apply to MAG.

From vgchartz -

MAG global sales - 1.25 million EXCLUDING DIGITAL SALES

Similar games below:


Killzone 2 (2.87m)
Battlefield: Bad Company 2 (2.72m)
Medal of Honor (2.56m)
Killzone 3 (2.35m)
Resistance 2 (2.34m)
Borderlands (1.68m)
Call of Duty 3 (1.36m)
BioShock 2 (1.34m)
Portal 2 (1.33m)
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas 2 (1.29m)
Far Cry 2 (1.26m)
Battlefield: Bad Company (1.23m)
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas (1.21m)
Resistance 3 (1.21m)
SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Confrontation (1.17m)
Dead Space 2 (1.17m)
Rage (1.15m)
Army of Two (1.11m)
Medal of Honor: Airborne (1.10m)
Deus Ex: Human Revolution (1.06m)

I wouldn't say that it's sound logic considering that the majority of these games mentioned were developed by studios not subsidiaries of Sony.

Here's some sound logic for you.If you were so sure that MAG would get a sequel,then why did Sony have Zipper work on another SOCOM game (that was a total failure),and even after that,a game for the Vita,Unit 13?Answer,because they have no interest on another MAG title,end of story.

If they would've been interested in another MAG,they wouldn't have shut Zipper down,and they would have had them developing it right now as we speak,so that it could be ready for the PS4's launch.As it is,they let the game lie in it's own grave,just waiting for the final step of someone to cover dirt over it.

People need to wake up from their starry eyed fantasies of there ever being another MAG game.Like I said before,the only think that might happen is that Sony makes a game very similar to MAG with more stuff to it and similar gameplay mechanics,but not having the MAG title.

Zipper were working on something when shut down.

Sony was greedy, that's why they sacrificed quality for cost on socom and same reason they stopped work on MAG.

And you obviously don't know the industry - because - top of the list - Kill zone - is made by a fully owned subsiduary of Sony.

When Forgelight engine is released for PS4, the MAG 2 talk will become official. Wait and see.

Obviously you can't read,because I said "the majority of these games mentioned were developed by studios not subsidiaries of Sony.",which I was referring to Socom AND Killzone as games that are Sony subs.

And please,just tell me who is going to develop it anyway?

Oh,and how in the hell does not supporting a game make you greedy?

Just as deluded with anyone that thinks that there's going to be a MAG 2.

If i remeber correctly back in the summer of 2011 MAG 2 was spotted on walmart.com. Probably canceled now though

If i remeber correctly back in the summer of 2011 MAG 2 was spotted on walmart.com. Probably canceled now though

You don't get it do ya? Lol
when eve came out in 2003 it was bugged, and half the features in the game now were not present on release, its taken time to get it to what it is now.
Yes dust is buggy, yes it has problems, but over time it will improve. If this was going to be a disk release title then there would be worries but its not, its digital.
So because its digital that means its constantly evolving and having bugs fixed and features added. This is not final release code, its beta code. Upon final release it may still have some bugs and not all announced features will be present but that will change over time.
alot of people are coming into this BETA expecting a final release code, well it don't work that way. A game of this magnitude takes alot of time to develop and fix, the daily downtimes are not for ccp to go make tea and shoot pool........the daily downtimes are for fixing bugs. If ccp took dust offline altogether to fix it then y'all would be moaning about that too. If everything is not ironed out FOR release then it will be ironed out bit by bit AFTER release, just like eve was.......and look where eve is now.

Hey Th3rdsun, you'll notice that MAG forums are now under "MAG Series"

Biggest clue yet!

Not really,and I haven't been on that board in at least 5 months,and don't miss it one bit.

Again,keep dreaming.

And they used to say there would be no sequel to Planetside. But I'm playing the beta daily.

Planetside was the inspiration for MAG. History will and does always repeat.

Ye of little faith.....

Way,way easier to justify making a sequel to a PC title than a console title.

Could you name another company that is capable to make a MMO that last 10 years for me, especially nowaday ?
How many game have said company made ?

You only been in for 2 months? Had you played the build before e3 then you would see how much its improved, but also it has taken a few steps back.
And we all going to die Dec 21 anyway lol, so they may release early to give us a few days before the zombie apocalypse

12/12/12 December 12 lol not the 21st

And they used to say there would be no sequel to Planetside. But I'm playing the beta daily.

Planetside was the inspiration for MAG. History will and does always repeat.

Ye of little faith.....

I agree with Regis.

And I do get it. I've been saying in so many posts, there is at least three years of work to bring dust up to scratch to AAA standard.

There is no doubt that there will be a MAG 2 on PS4, probably a launch title.

The problem for ccp is that there will be better quality fps games, maybe not as deep in terms of mmo as dust, but better game play, and people won't play dust if it remains like this....

All a developer needs to do is make a 32vs32 game with clan battle support, solid FPS mechanics, a bit of eye candy and a perpetual clan leader board, and that'll be the end of dust on the console...

Now look at the sentence above and you see what ccp need to fix to stay in the game for a long time....

- increase player counts
- improved FPS mechanics
- better grouping mechanics
- better graphics

Those four things, done properly, will keep the game kicking with solid numbers from launch, for years, because dust already has the persistence and open universe sorted....

No bro its December 21, look it up '12/21/12' reason I remember is because its my cousins birthday and I remember thinking what a way to go.......during your birthday party lol.