Also mentioned was a fix to the tactical rifle that is currently firing full auto, as well as AV grenades sitting on the ground forever acting as landmines.

Discussed Hotfixes possible options but not limted to:

0'ing out all point gains from repair and remote modules.
0'ing out all point gaings for repairfnig vehicles.

From a dedicated Logi... : -(

I can agree with no WP from repping Vehicle collision damage, but no WP at all from repping? *Mind Blown* My bread and butter are Reps, Revives and Hives; and it is the Reps that are the most common.

Currently there is no other way we can think off that would stop boosting if you can only change a number. This would be a temporary fix until a new build comes out. if you can come up with something say something.

as well as AV grenades sitting on the ground forever acting as landmines.

This part made me sad.

Collision / friendly damage should be repairable, but it should just yield no war points.

Currently there is no other way we can think off that would stop boosting if you can only change a number. This would be a temporary fix until a new build comes out. if you can come up with something say something.

To prevent earning WP or boosting just make it so you can't repair damage OR can't earn WP by repairs to a vehicle etc that was self/squad/team inflicted, its simple.

That is what can't be fixed without a change to the code, which requires a patch, which requires going through QA and certification. It's a future fix, not one that can be given to us right now to stop things from staying out of hand until the next build.

To prevent earning WP or boosting just make it so you can't repair damage OR can't earn WP by repairs to a vehicle etc that was self/squad/team inflicted, its simple.
No need for all this tweaking this and tweaking that to prevent boosting, just do the above suggested and we can all be happy.
Too many new people are coming into dust and wanting stuff nerfed or buffed or tweaked when we long term players are white happy with the way some things are without being tweaked. Please don't break this game with too many nerfs.

good news. especially the long term fix part.

preventing red zone boost and raising WP required seems like the best options. also take zway WP from kills for OB earning to kill the "killstreak" effect. and for christ sake, find balance between insta OB and 10sec delay ones from precursor.

[question] since they are removing AV "mines", will there be an actuall AV mine type weapon to replace them?

I think the Yellow Zone idea is best for the long run. You shouldn't be able hide in a completely safe area and still earn points. This will kind of suck when someone pushes the "STUPID" button on the RDV pilot's clone vat, but you can't have it all.
Yes, I have boosted (to see what all the fuss was about) and no, I won't do it again, because (1) it's not fair to the opposing team to have to dodge all the OBs, And (2) it's BORING!

The Yellow Zone idea is too artificial. You shouldn't be force to repair your vehicle in a middle of firefight just to get WP.
We can also have Blue Zone where you can receive WP for revive, Orange zone for where you receive WP for Drop Uplink and so on. Map and mini-map would look really crazy.

But oustide of the red zone, there are plenty of places where you can rep peacefully.

why?
so slayers who help defend an objective or cover their obj players backs while hacking shouldnt contribute to the OB earns?
doesnt seem fair, OB earns from boosters already come from doin "team" based actions like most ppl like to put it aka reppin a vehicle

killing is one of the few things u cant cheat so easily to rack up WP for OB spam, ur either a good killer or not.

Then what is preventing you to do a dirty WP-boosting in those places? It'll be a bit harder, yes, but won't fix the problem.

Then what is preventing you to do a dirty WP-boosting in those places? It'll be a bit harder, yes, but won't fix the problem.

It's much easier to blow them up when you can get into shooting range. If they're far enough in the Red Zone it's nearly imposiible to destroy them.

Yellow Zones where players cannot earn SP in. (current red zone where enemies cant enter but you can)

Moving Strikes into Assist count kills only

Otherwise would it not be possible to just remove impact damage from vehicles or even everything dropsuits included ... just for this build ... this would cause some funky jumping off high buildings n surviving etc. but that would be more bearable than the lack of team play from farmers in the red zone.

Discussed Hotfixes possible options but not limted to:

0'ing out all point gains from repair and remote modules.
0'ing out all point gaings for repairfnig vehicles.
Bumpering Up vehicles to make them harder to damage with collision.

Tracked HP values (IE damage caused by collisions cannot be repaired or scored.)

Repairing a vehicle should be a diminishing gains thing through the lifetime of that vehicle.

Cause once the current thing is fixed, there will be other (more elaborate) exploits. E.g. a large group of cheaters organize, start playing a game mode not very popular (since corp-to-corp / 0.0 will seemingly be no-WP battles) and meet up somewhere on the map.

When I say 'organised', I mean EVE-level kind of organized where someone sets up a website where you register and as you get in match you tell the site you're in-game and who the squad 1 leader are, some red players, etc and others who get into the same game look at the list of currently active games and when they find the active game in the list with matching players they add themselves automatically.

Instant chat on the website to make arrangements and SP farming we are go.

I don't doubt that SP farming will be a constant annoyance in DUST. Its going to be one of those things that the Dev's will have to constantly battle since there is so much benefit and so little in the way of negative repercussions. Large scale boosting, like you have described, is going to be less of an issue since it is 1) hard to organize and 2) this will cause it to be much less common. The exploits that can be mined by a single squad are the ones that we are going to really have to fight against.

Remember, the best way to fight boosting is for us as players to refuse to play with those who do this. Boot them from your corps. Kick them from your squads. Leave games where they are at work. Tell them what they are doing is wrong and destructive to the game. The second to the last suggestion here is especially powerful since if everytime a known booster gets into a match everyone else simply ups and leaves they would not be able to participate in the game. All their long hours of boosting would be wasted and create the "I've got all proto gear but can't play because everyone on both teams leaves the match when they see me in battle. This would, in no uncertain terms, totally invalidate their SP farming. All we have to do to make it happen is spread the word to every other player we see.

So shout it out brothers and sisters. We, the players of DUST, will not tolerate SP farming. If we see you doing it we will do everything in our power to remove you from the game. Failing that we will remove ourselves leaving you in a universe of 1 with no gaming potential.

I just basically summarized the entire conversation.


Long Term Build Fixes Discussed but not limtied to:

Yellow Zones where players cannot earn SP in. (current red zone where enemies cant enter but you can)
Re-adjusting squad WP mechanics.
Balance out WP gains for various tasks.
Tracked HP values (IE damage caused by collisions cannot be repaired or scored.)
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Precision strike fix, weak strike from last build with this builds short warning and stronger strike from this build with last builds warning. Neither combination would be overpowered, and would fill different jobs if squad leader had choice. Big slow strike to scatter enemy from objective or defensive position, small fast on to take out tower camper/sniper ect..

CCP Wolfman> Also Tactial Assault Rifles are getting fixed. '
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I think awarding 0 WP in the yellow zone is a good idea.

To address "Precision Strike" (it's not an Orbital Strike) spamming, simply have a cooldown timer between strikes. It only makes sense to me that the MCC needs time to reload the big ammo into it's big guns.

Collision / friendly damage should be repairable, but it should just yield no war points.

So let me get this straight, I play Medic logi right now. So I won't get any points for repping my teammates now. This needs clarification, and if this is true I'm done with this build.

So everyone gets punished because CCP didn't have the foresight to see this coming. Really, really unfair.

i hope to god there arent removing the Proxy Mines that would be dumb imo
if they talkin about how AV nades sometimes sit on the ground for an extended period acting like mines and removing that effect then yea thats smarter

I think the Yellow Zone idea is best for the long run. You shouldn't be able hide in a completely safe area and still earn points. This will kind of suck when someone pushes the "STUPID" button on the RDV pilot's clone vat, but you can't have it all.
Yes, I have boosted (to see what all the fuss was about) and no, I won't do it again, because (1) it's not fair to the opposing team to have to dodge all the OBs, And (2) it's BORING!

All this makes me think they should've just gone 100% passive for SP gain in the first place.

SP farming is not a problem in EVE, because it's not possible.

Farming for OBs is the bigger problem. I don't care if you hit your SP cap in a shorter period of time, I do however care if you're raining "unearned" OBs onto the field all game.

Lot more points being medic and giving out ammo then just a repper.
And whats unfair about if you want the points then you have to go where the battle is and big hint its not! in the redline.

The best way to fix this issue is by limiting the amount of points per action towards an orbital strike. For example, if some one wanted to sit there and bump a lav back and forth and spam repairs they could never get an orbital strike doing just that. They could get like 70% towards a full orbital strike but never a full one. Since no one mode of gaining points by itself could allow the squad to get an orbital strike this would force people to play the game and use various skills such as hacking/ killing/ injectors as well as repairs.

As for orbital strikes I suggest increasing commission points (and commission points only not WP earned by squad lead himself, A squad leader should have to call orders to earn a orbital strike that would encourage the use of orders and teamwork) needed to earn the strike not reducing the wp earned, it is hard enough to keep a squad grouped up and the defend order on the squad lead works very well at keeping random and others near to each other.

As for boosting reduce the wp earned with constant use, if someone uses the repair tool for two minutes straight im pretty sure they are boosting and legitimately using the repair tool.

The AV grenades as mines, I think it is very smart because they do not explode on infantry at all. As a matter of fact i always thought on the last build why they did not do that. So to be able to make a perimeter, or line that stops a rushing LAV is TACTICAL. Now if they were to blow up on infantry then remove the mine feature but otherwise in balances itself out. Also it makes sense, since we can not pick up AV grenades that did not detonate, now if we could then most players would not leave their AV grenades on the ground to act as mines. but again I say it makes sense, they home in and are armed so if a vehicle was to drive near it, then it would attach and detonate.

Also no zone should yield no points because then when people get pushed back they will back out instead of keep trying.

We're looking into removing AV mines. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------NO

my votes

We're looking into removing AV mines. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------NO

Collision / friendly damage should be repairable, but it should just yield no war points.

I just basically summarized the entire conversation.

CCP Wolfman>'We're currently looking into a hotfix to stop boosting and strike spamming to temporarily stop this behavior until more pernament solution can be applied via new build. Updates will be made once we have something concrete as we explor posisble hotfix options and capabilities.

CCP Wolfman> Also Tactial Assault Rifles are getting fixed. ' <- Good

CCP Wolfman > We're looking into removing AV mines.

Discussed Hotfixes possible options but not limted to:

0'ing out all point gains from repair and remote modules. : Bad. My logi gets +25 a tick, which is pretty long unless its a heavy.

0'ing out all point gains for repairfnig vehicles. : Good Maybe make it so you only get points for repairing a vehicile you didnt drive.

Bumpering Up vehicles to make them harder to damage with collision. : Bad.

Long Term Build Fixes Discussed but not limtied to:

Yellow Zones where players cannot earn SP in. (current red zone where enemies cant enter but you can) : Good, but a bad nerf fo Scouts, who already dont have much love.

Re-adjusting squad WP mechanics. : good They have always seemed kinda goofy to me. For example, setting a defend on the only cloning faculity in the area, nets 25 pts a kill, whereas on a player it is anywhere between 36-64.

Balance out WP gains for various tasks. : Great.

Tracked HP values (IE damage caused by collisions cannot be repaired or scored.) : Great
Moving Strikes into Assist count kills only : Best
Giving the Barge Limited Ammo : Bad.

This may also be a good time to suggest your own fixes, remember hot fix is number tweaks only. Build fix can get a bit more creative though.

No points for reversing self-inflicted damage. That way jumping off buildings, friendly splash damage, grenades or ramming vehicles into the scenery won't provide any benefits. Of course this will suck for genuine accidents, but something has got to give. Punishing farmers afterwards would work as well.

Long Term Build Fixes Discussed but not limtied to:

Yellow Zones where players cannot earn SP in. (current red zone where enemies cant enter but you can)
Re-adjusting squad WP mechanics.
Balance out WP gains for various tasks.
Tracked HP values (IE damage caused by collisions cannot be repaired or scored.)
Moving Strikes into Assist count kills only
Giving the Barge Limited Ammo

This may also be a good time to suggest your own fixes, remember hot fix is number tweaks only. Build fix can get a bit more creative though.