But oustide of the red zone, there are plenty of places where you can rep peacefully.

why?
so slayers who help defend an objective or cover their obj players backs while hacking shouldnt contribute to the OB earns?
doesnt seem fair, OB earns from boosters already come from doin "team" based actions like most ppl like to put it aka reppin a vehicle

killing is one of the few things u cant cheat so easily to rack up WP for OB spam, ur either a good killer or not.

Then what is preventing you to do a dirty WP-boosting in those places? It'll be a bit harder, yes, but won't fix the problem.

Then what is preventing you to do a dirty WP-boosting in those places? It'll be a bit harder, yes, but won't fix the problem.

It's much easier to blow them up when you can get into shooting range. If they're far enough in the Red Zone it's nearly imposiible to destroy them.

Yellow Zones where players cannot earn SP in. (current red zone where enemies cant enter but you can)

Moving Strikes into Assist count kills only

Otherwise would it not be possible to just remove impact damage from vehicles or even everything dropsuits included ... just for this build ... this would cause some funky jumping off high buildings n surviving etc. but that would be more bearable than the lack of team play from farmers in the red zone.

Discussed Hotfixes possible options but not limted to:

0'ing out all point gains from repair and remote modules.
0'ing out all point gaings for repairfnig vehicles.
Bumpering Up vehicles to make them harder to damage with collision.

Tracked HP values (IE damage caused by collisions cannot be repaired or scored.)

Repairing a vehicle should be a diminishing gains thing through the lifetime of that vehicle.

Cause once the current thing is fixed, there will be other (more elaborate) exploits. E.g. a large group of cheaters organize, start playing a game mode not very popular (since corp-to-corp / 0.0 will seemingly be no-WP battles) and meet up somewhere on the map.

When I say 'organised', I mean EVE-level kind of organized where someone sets up a website where you register and as you get in match you tell the site you're in-game and who the squad 1 leader are, some red players, etc and others who get into the same game look at the list of currently active games and when they find the active game in the list with matching players they add themselves automatically.

Instant chat on the website to make arrangements and SP farming we are go.

I don't doubt that SP farming will be a constant annoyance in DUST. Its going to be one of those things that the Dev's will have to constantly battle since there is so much benefit and so little in the way of negative repercussions. Large scale boosting, like you have described, is going to be less of an issue since it is 1) hard to organize and 2) this will cause it to be much less common. The exploits that can be mined by a single squad are the ones that we are going to really have to fight against.

Remember, the best way to fight boosting is for us as players to refuse to play with those who do this. Boot them from your corps. Kick them from your squads. Leave games where they are at work. Tell them what they are doing is wrong and destructive to the game. The second to the last suggestion here is especially powerful since if everytime a known booster gets into a match everyone else simply ups and leaves they would not be able to participate in the game. All their long hours of boosting would be wasted and create the "I've got all proto gear but can't play because everyone on both teams leaves the match when they see me in battle. This would, in no uncertain terms, totally invalidate their SP farming. All we have to do to make it happen is spread the word to every other player we see.

So shout it out brothers and sisters. We, the players of DUST, will not tolerate SP farming. If we see you doing it we will do everything in our power to remove you from the game. Failing that we will remove ourselves leaving you in a universe of 1 with no gaming potential.

I just basically summarized the entire conversation.


Long Term Build Fixes Discussed but not limtied to:

Yellow Zones where players cannot earn SP in. (current red zone where enemies cant enter but you can)
Re-adjusting squad WP mechanics.
Balance out WP gains for various tasks.
Tracked HP values (IE damage caused by collisions cannot be repaired or scored.)
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Precision strike fix, weak strike from last build with this builds short warning and stronger strike from this build with last builds warning. Neither combination would be overpowered, and would fill different jobs if squad leader had choice. Big slow strike to scatter enemy from objective or defensive position, small fast on to take out tower camper/sniper ect..

CCP Wolfman> Also Tactial Assault Rifles are getting fixed. '
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I think awarding 0 WP in the yellow zone is a good idea.

To address "Precision Strike" (it's not an Orbital Strike) spamming, simply have a cooldown timer between strikes. It only makes sense to me that the MCC needs time to reload the big ammo into it's big guns.

Collision / friendly damage should be repairable, but it should just yield no war points.

So let me get this straight, I play Medic logi right now. So I won't get any points for repping my teammates now. This needs clarification, and if this is true I'm done with this build.

So everyone gets punished because CCP didn't have the foresight to see this coming. Really, really unfair.

i hope to god there arent removing the Proxy Mines that would be dumb imo
if they talkin about how AV nades sometimes sit on the ground for an extended period acting like mines and removing that effect then yea thats smarter

I think the Yellow Zone idea is best for the long run. You shouldn't be able hide in a completely safe area and still earn points. This will kind of suck when someone pushes the "STUPID" button on the RDV pilot's clone vat, but you can't have it all.
Yes, I have boosted (to see what all the fuss was about) and no, I won't do it again, because (1) it's not fair to the opposing team to have to dodge all the OBs, And (2) it's BORING!