DUST Search - Update from IRC 10/10/2012

Jaysin 011584 wrote:

As for orbital strikes I suggest increasing commission points (and commission points only not WP earned by squad lead himself, A squad leader should have to call orders to earn a orbital strike that would encourage the use of orders and teamwork) needed to earn the strike not reducing the wp earned, it is hard enough to keep a squad grouped up and the defend order on the squad lead works very well at keeping random and others near to each other.

As for boosting reduce the wp earned with constant use, if someone uses the repair tool for two minutes straight im pretty sure they are boosting and legitimately using the repair tool.

The AV grenades as mines, I think it is very smart because they do not explode on infantry at all. As a matter of fact i always thought on the last build why they did not do that. So to be able to make a perimeter, or line that stops a rushing LAV is TACTICAL. Now if they were to blow up on infantry then remove the mine feature but otherwise in balances itself out. Also it makes sense, since we can not pick up AV grenades that did not detonate, now if we could then most players would not leave their AV grenades on the ground to act as mines. but again I say it makes sense, they home in and are armed so if a vehicle was to drive near it, then it would attach and detonate.

Also no zone should yield no points because then when people get pushed back they will back out instead of keep trying.

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

CCP Wolfman> Also Tactial Assault Rifles are getting fixed. ' --------------------------------------------------YES
CCP Wolfman > We're looking into removing AV mines. --------------------------------------------------------NO
Discussed Hotfixes possible options but not limted to:
0'ing out all point gains from repair and remote modules.--------------------------------------------------------------------NO
0'ing out all point gains for repairfnig vehicles.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------NO
Bumpering Up vehicles to make them harder to damage with collision. -------------------------------------------------YES
Long Term Build Fixes Discussed but not limtied to:
Yellow Zones where players cannot earn SP in. (current red zone where enemies cant enter but you can)---NO
Re-adjusting squad WP mechanics.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------NO
Balance out WP gains for various tasks. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------MAYBE
Tracked HP values (IE damage caused by collisions cannot be repaired or scored.) -----------------------------MAYBE
Moving Strikes into Assist count kills only-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------NO
Giving the Barge Limited Ammo--(1 shot per squad lead in AMBUSH, maybe 2 shot per lead in Skirmish)---YES


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Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2866	Posted - 2012.10.10 06:08:00 - [1] - Quote I just basically summarized the entire conversation. CCP Wolfman>'We're currently looking into a hotfix to stop boosting and strike spamming to temporarily stop this behavior until more pernament solution can be applied via new build. Updates will be made once we have something concrete as we explor posisble hotfix options and capabilities. CCP Wolfman> Also Tactial Assault Rifles are getting fixed. ' CCP Wolfman > We're looking into removing AV mines. Discussed Hotfixes possible options but not limted to: 0'ing out all point gains from repair and remote modules. 0'ing out all point gains for repairfnig vehicles. Bumpering Up vehicles to make them harder to damage with collision. Long Term Build Fixes Discussed but not limtied to: Yellow Zones where players cannot earn SP in. (current red zone where enemies cant enter but you can) Re-adjusting squad WP mechanics. Balance out WP gains for various tasks. Tracked HP values (IE damage caused by collisions cannot be repaired or scored.) Moving Strikes into Assist count kills only Giving the Barge Limited Ammo This may also be a good time to suggest your own fixes, remember hot fix is number tweaks only. Build fix can get a bit more creative though.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2866	Posted - 2012.10.10 06:15:00 - [2] - Quote Skytt Syysch wrote: Also mentioned was a fix to the tactical rifle that is currently firing full auto, as well as AV grenades sitting on the ground forever acting as landmines. Fixed.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2866	Posted - 2012.10.10 06:18:00 - [3] - Quote Got reminded of another update.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2866	Posted - 2012.10.10 06:29:00 - [4] - Quote VADOL II wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Discussed Hotfixes possible options but not limted to: 0'ing out all point gains from repair and remote modules. 0'ing out all point gaings for repairfnig vehicles. From a dedicated Logi... : -( I can agree with no WP from repping Vehicle collision damage, but no WP at all from repping? Mind Blown My bread and butter are Reps, Revives and Hives; and it is the Reps that are the most common. Currently there is no other way we can think off that would stop boosting if you can only change a number. This would be a temporary fix until a new build comes out. if you can come up with something say something.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2866	Posted - 2012.10.10 13:03:00 - [5] - Quote those of you keeeping up, they're all seperate options, any one or part of one can be considered also ccp is looking for other solutions what they cook inhouse may be enitrely different fom this list. They can also pick or choose multiple solutions. Remember diminishing returns fall under tracked HP values which requires a patch update. When comming up with a solution you need to take into an accoutn the players boosting are likelying having 4-8 (corp battle) teammates contributing to the effort.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2866	Posted - 2012.10.10 15:11:00 - [6] - Quote Also note that suggestions where generated from both sides. Tracked HP values was suggested by the IRC group as an alternative to the yellow zone. The group in IRC was extremely small though so not alot of ideas where generated.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2866	Posted - 2012.10.10 18:04:00 - [7] - Quote Remember chances, are there is going to be another SP wipe when we move to TQ. Just note that the hotfix will be temporary if its too determinetal to normal game play such as 0 wp'ing out the repair tools will get undone if they come up with a more pernament solution. As for the communications it was posted already about this, CCP Wolfman just came back from Russia popped his head in for lunch and asked about the largest exploit in the game, asked how it was done, what are players likely to do if one thing gets fixed and asked on how to discourage the behavior via hot fix and then via long term.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2866	Posted - 2012.10.10 20:26:00 - [8] - Quote Remember also that war point gains are likely to be a factor into the long term fix so the circle jerk around the LAV might also get fixed as well with the defend command.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2866	Posted - 2012.10.11 05:17:00 - [9] - Quote Jaysin 011584 wrote: As for orbital strikes I suggest increasing commission points (and commission points only not WP earned by squad lead himself, A squad leader should have to call orders to earn a orbital strike that would encourage the use of orders and teamwork) needed to earn the strike not reducing the wp earned, it is hard enough to keep a squad grouped up and the defend order on the squad lead works very well at keeping random and others near to each other. As for boosting reduce the wp earned with constant use, if someone uses the repair tool for two minutes straight im pretty sure they are boosting and legitimately using the repair tool. The AV grenades as mines, I think it is very smart because they do not explode on infantry at all. As a matter of fact i always thought on the last build why they did not do that. So to be able to make a perimeter, or line that stops a rushing LAV is TACTICAL. Now if they were to blow up on infantry then remove the mine feature but otherwise in balances itself out. Also it makes sense, since we can not pick up AV grenades that did not detonate, now if we could then most players would not leave their AV grenades on the ground to act as mines. but again I say it makes sense, they home in and are armed so if a vehicle was to drive near it, then it would attach and detonate. Also no zone should yield no points because then when people get pushed back they will back out instead of keep trying. Iron Wolf Saber wrote: CCP Wolfman> Also Tactial Assault Rifles are getting fixed. ' --------------------------------------------------YES CCP Wolfman > We're looking into removing AV mines. --------------------------------------------------------NO Discussed Hotfixes possible options but not limted to: 0'ing out all point gains from repair and remote modules.--------------------------------------------------------------------NO 0'ing out all point gains for repairfnig vehicles.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------NO Bumpering Up vehicles to make them harder to damage with collision. -------------------------------------------------YES Long Term Build Fixes Discussed but not limtied to: Yellow Zones where players cannot earn SP in. (current red zone where enemies cant enter but you can)---NO Re-adjusting squad WP mechanics.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------NO Balance out WP gains for various tasks. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------MAYBE Tracked HP values (IE damage caused by collisions cannot be repaired or scored.) -----------------------------MAYBE Moving Strikes into Assist count kills only-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------NO Giving the Barge Limited Ammo--(1 shot per squad lead in AMBUSH, maybe 2 shot per lead in Skirmish)---YES Bumpering up the vehicles may not happen from the looks of it. 0ing out points for repairs on vehicles is looking more likely but leaving as is I am sure you're going to be no as well. Something has got to give.