1. slow strafe speed that was nerfed AGAIN (no one asked for this CCP)

I'm not a FPS expert, so I really can't tell much of a difference.

but I see this a lot, as a reason why Dust sucks and it will fail and whatnot.

"The gunplay is terrible."

how so, exactly?

can someone explain in specific terms, whats wrong and what needs to be fixed?

anything in particular regarding this aspect that I should look for to make a comparison to other shooters?

1. slow strafe speed that was nerfed AGAIN (no one asked for this CCP)
2. game still feels stiff and sluggish
3. frame rate drops really affect the gunplay

@iron wolf halo has a similar scope same as Resistance marksman. u dont necessarily need to see the gun, too many ppl accustom to other more military shooters. Anyway weapon customisation will solve this along with bringing back that caldari AR with the reflex sight

PS: side note.......CCP fix the tact AR and bring it back to single shot. kthnxbai

1. slow strafe speed that was nerfed AGAIN (no one asked for this CCP)
2. game still feels stiff and sluggish
3. frame rate drops really affect the gunplay

@iron wolf halo has a similar scope same as Resistance marksman. u dont necessarily need to see the gun, too many ppl accustom to other more military shooters. Anyway weapon customisation will solve this along with bringing back that caldari AR with the reflex sight

PS: side note.......CCP fix the tact AR and bring it back to single shot. kthnxbai

Leave the strafe as it is now, this is NOT HALO, or COD, or QUAKE, or friggin DOOM 3!!

My opinion? This build technically very little. Big +1 for CCP on that account. But..

Crimson mentioned we now have high health, low movement speed. Ignatious explained the reason movement sucks, because it's been flattened like the suit HP. It's probably to do with the mass they gave our clones :D Just needs some tweaking. The other major problem is the lack of recoil on even the militia AR. This means anyone with aiming abilities can just shoot your face at 50-100 yards, and put 20 rounds there before you can strafe/run. Similar story with reduced recoil sniper rifle.

It's reduced the game to a camping fest. People can farm spawns very easily currently, because they can just sit 50 yards away and own you with recoil free weapons. The damage the laser does compared to the AR is a good example of what a recoil free weapon should be in my opinion. Less skill so less damage. It's just too easy to Alpha strike currently. No-one has said Dust is a CoD clone until this build. It's the combination of these factors which has turned the gameplay around.

It's more the fact movement and recoil were better last build. If we had moved from E3 to Precursor, I think there would be far less complaints. But Precursor had so so much going for it's gunplay. It's the contrast between the 2.

1. Acutally it was asked numerous times, mostly from HMG users that was having a scout dodge between bullets of an HMG going full bore on them instead of circle strafing around them.

2. File under control lag.

3. File under stability.

These are not gun play issues.

As a non FPS aficionado the thing that I find the most frustrating about the gunplay is waiting for the game to catch up. It feels like there is a total lack of moment to moment gameplay.

Even though my reflexes are slow, the game is slower still. From turn and strafe speed, to throwing a grenade, to switching out weapons, to transitions between sprint and crouching, strafing and sprinting. This to me is a terrible thing on a multiplayer console shooting game because it almost totally negates the possibility of the player reacting to what is going on around them at the speed at which they can push buttons and move the sticks on the controller. So that hand eye coordination aspect of gaming, in this case gunplay, that has been a part of games since at least pong, or missile command, is noticeably absent from moment to moment "gunplay" where you are shooting at stuff and trying to avoid getting shot in return.

It feels more like I am playing a turn based strategy game, or RPG, or something like a Final Fantasy game, where you get your character into position, then the character or the player's fighting forces execute the attacks they are capable of with the gear they have equipped with minimal further input from the player.

This does make for great strategic gaming, but it is almost to the point where you can't even play as just a dude or lady that wants to jump into a game and shoot some stuff and blow some stuff up. It isn't that the game is better when playing as a team, it is almost not possible to play any other way. Your squad's position on the map relative to the enemy, the balance of gear between the members of a squad and a team, are now almost the entire focus of the game.

So I don't feel that like an individual merc, immersed in a war, where my own unique fighting skills actually matter on the battle field, moment to moment. That visceral and palpably physical connection to the game, where every second counts, where every nudge of the controller is meaningful, is not really there in this build.

Or, to put it succinctly, the game is too slow.

The good thing about this build is that so far it feels the most solid and balanced. And the strategic and abstract gameplay is very close to being balanced with the moment to moment physical gunplay. As others have said, if the speed of the game gets turned up a notch, across the board, without changing the speed of any one portion of the game relative to any other, that would be a huge improvement.

FPS players should take note, not everyone doesnt know what you're talking about when you say bad gunplay.

Right now the only real notable issue I have been told is the scoping on assautl rifle and sniper rifle. Sniper rifle scoping is acceptable to have camera mounts, even the swarm launcher. However with the assault rifle is clearly unacceptable to have such scope.

The rest has more to do with how they're going handel shot travel. Anything else I almost clueless about maybe the reload while running and reload matching animation/UI.

1. slow strafe speed that was nerfed AGAIN (no one asked for this CCP)
2. game still feels stiff and sluggish
3. frame rate drops really affect the gunplay

@iron wolf halo has a similar scope same as Resistance marksman. u dont necessarily need to see the gun, too many ppl accustom to other more military shooters. Anyway weapon customisation will solve this along with bringing back that caldari AR with the reflex sight

PS: side note.......CCP fix the tact AR and bring it back to single shot. kthnxbai

+100
Best post since Codex was released. I appreciate you saying you aren't an FPS aficionado too. Puts perspective on how huge the changes are.

STUFF

Lots is about WHO CAN CONSISTENTLY SHOOT AT THE UPPER TORSO

someone tell this guy to sit down and stfu:P then pass him a beer.

The gunplay in this is just down right boring it takes forever to get to the main battle and then you spend most of the time running (speed walking) around trying to find an enemy and when you do it doesn't matter who has more skill cause its just who ever shoots who first win the battle. Its just way to slow, you can even at at someone when your scoped because either it doesn't move or it moves way to much.

i think DUST needs to move in the direction of MAG yes MAG i know its a sin to say that word but thats the one things Zipper got right with that game. You were able to move fast enough so that you can get around the map. you were able to strafe but not to the point were people were unable to aim at you, and jumping wasn't a big deal because you just adjusted your aim a little bit and that was it, also once you jumped you stopped shooting so that really reduce the amount of jumping in a gun fight.

But in IMO people who say to "ADAPT" to this new build should actually follow their own advice because in a FPS you are able to strafe jump and dodge in order to kill the enemy. This isn't an FPS anymore its just stand and hope that the person your shooting at runs out of HP before you do.

O and no i don't play COD.

The gunplay in this is just down right boring it takes forever to get to the main battle and then you spend most of the time running (speed walking) around trying to find an enemy and when you do it doesn't matter who has more skill cause its just who ever shoots who first win the battle. Its just way to slow, you can even at at someone when your scoped because either it doesn't move or it moves way to much.

i think DUST needs to move in the direction of MAG yes MAG i know its a sin to say that word but thats the one things Zipper got right with that game. You were able to move fast enough so that you can get around the map. you were able to strafe but not to the point were people were unable to aim at you, and jumping wasn't a big deal because you just adjusted your aim a little bit and that was it, also once you jumped you stopped shooting so that really reduce the amount of jumping in a gun fight.

But in IMO people who say to "ADAPT" to this new build should actually follow their own advice because in a FPS you are able to strafe jump and dodge in order to kill the enemy. This isn't an FPS anymore its just stand and hope that the person your shooting at runs out of HP before you do.

O and no i don't play COD.