the answer to boosting via game play never heard of a merc getting paid for losing .
why should i and my team get paid SP & ISK + salvage for losing a battle badly.?
If the stakes were higher people would be more inclined to play the game as intended.
losers should feel the pain of losing not get rewarded for it.
this won't fix everything but will go a long way.

get the game play going ccp

the answer to boosting via game play never heard of a merc getting paid for losing .
why should i and my team get paid SP & ISK + salvage for losing a battle badly.?
If the stakes were higher people would be more inclined to play the game as intended.
losers should feel the pain of losing not get rewarded for it.
this won't fix everything but will go a long way.

Ok.... 25% less SP

50% less ISK

You can keep the salvage.

being paid for poor team work is a bad idea to me fiar enough sum sp for the losers but isk ? why

Yeah, I'd say salvage should ONLY go to winner.

my thinking was to get people of sniping and spamming from towers and contribute to the game more

i'd just like to see mercs charged an isk fee for leaving a game, make it 50 000isk

How is that not contributing?

Well you dont get "Paid" SP, its experience, you obtain it by experiencing things...like battle.

Secondly, winning isn't always the goal, sometimes just doing financial damage is imporrtant. All depends on wahat the conctractor really wants as an end result.

Regardless, no SP or ISK gain would cause mass backing out on games that start to go poorly because people would rather start a new game than stick with one that would offer zero reward. This in turn would make their team do even worse, and cause more people to back out.

There are more elegant solutions to this apparent boosting problem, but this is not one of them.

-1 one from me.

my thinking was to get people of sniping and spamming from towers and contribute to the game more

I wouldn't mind this only thing is invalids would be a ***** if they aren't fixed.

Is this a joke post............ Ihope so pal.

Ok.... 25% less SP

50% less ISK

You can keep the salvage.

Why would you gain less experience? You were still in the battle for the full duration and thus experienced one battle worth of experience. You don't gain less experience for losing a battle, the end result doesn't change your in-game actions.

It's not a joke. Explain how snipers and tower campers aren't contributing. At least contributing more than they would if they were on the ground dying repeatedly and accomplishing nothing if the style of play YOU want them to play isn't what they're good at.

I'll admit sniping and tower camping isn't a go-to tactic for myself, and that most people are generally bad at it, but if they're WORSE at the alternatives, and they actually get kills sniping/tower camping, then they're contributing by putting enemy players on the spawn screen instead of in the game.

Why would you gain less experience? You were still in the battle for the full duration and thus experienced one battle worth of experience. You don't gain less experience for losing a battle, the end result doesn't change your in-game actions.

in my experience when there is a large number of vehicles and snipers on the field farming kills they lose

To get you to play............. You get less because you lost...........Next time you'll try harder.

And how does that mean they're not contributing to the team though? What about the people who aren't sniping or in a vehicle? Why are they the ones that are supposedly contributing to the team if the objectives still aren't being taken when they're available to do so?



Yeah, you'll have to try harder against these other guys that now have more advanced gear since they actually got character progression from winning their game.

I didn't say they get nothing just less............. If you and your team are rubbish and you keep losing............ Tough.

HTFU........... It's a war game......... get better or get out.........

Adapt or Die isn't that the saying.

It doesn't make sense for them to get less SP, though. That's the thing. You both participated in battle, you should both learn the same from your experiences. You don't forget some of it just because your team lost.

I'm fine with ISK having a bonus for winning, but SP should be earned at the same rate regardless of your winning or losing.

Hey I'm fine with getting less if my team loses, It'll just make me try harder next time.

Is all this panicing because you all are really that bad. ?

SP rewards should be left alone, they seem to be working as intended, booster/farmers are irritating, but I imagine they'll stick to carebear highsec matches without FF for boosting.

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Ok, how about same SP, 50% less ISK, no salvage.

the answer to boosting via game play never heard of a merc getting paid for losing .
why should i and my team get paid SP & ISK + salvage for losing a battle badly.?
If the stakes were higher people would be more inclined to play the game as intended.
losers should feel the pain of losing not get rewarded for it.
this won't fix everything but will go a long way.

get the game play going ccp

an open ended letter to everyone advocating this.

I'd like to see you stay financially solvent... currently if you win or lose you get (my average, yours may vary) 150,000 ISK. I
probably spend 100,000 on equipment alone, which leaves a net profit of 50,000 ISK. now lets say you earn 0 ISK if you lose.
that means that in ORDER TO BREAK EVEN, no profit what-so-ever, you have to win 50% of your matches. that doesn't sound too bad at first but think about it, lets say you win 3 out of 4 matches (75%, well over the necessary profit) that's 50,000 ISK profit. okay, 50,000 ISK profit for 4 matches work, each match lasts about 12 minutes so 4 matches take 48 minutes, that's 62500 ISK an hour. now lets say you want a tank, a nice one, that's around 1.6 mill at our current rate getting a nice tank will take 25.6 hours that is over one day.does that sound reasonable to you? this isn't COD, lets use our thinker box on occasion, please?

lol........ more tears, mop bucket full.

lol........ more tears, mop bucket full.

I like how rational discourse and providing examples is somehow crying in your mind. You realize that just by screaming everyone's QQing or bad doesn't instantly make your stance valid, right?

I was following what he said until he got to, "you want a tank, a nice one.." SIGH I want my Phoenix to rain death down onto his nice tank, now.. A whole days work for godmode? That seems excessive..

Before you say it is more than one day, remember, not for everyone.. Some people have nothing better to do..

Ok.... 25% less SP

50% less ISK

You can keep the salvage.

Please tell me how two people, each on different teams, doing the same thing, should get different SP?

If merc A kills 10 people, dies 5 times and caps 2 objectives

And merc B kills 10 people, dies 5 times and caps 2 objectives, did they not both gain the same experiance? Just because merc A's TEAM won doesn't give him more SP, than merc B, they did the same and should be awarded the same SP.

Now isk should be payed to the loser cause they did something and shouldnt get nothing in return but it should be significantly less than the winners isk reward.

On the salvage, this alone should go to the winners. "To the winners go the spoils" this has been true through out time, no losing force on a battlefield was ever allowed to have the spoils of war after a defeat. This should be the same in New Eden.

I agree on the salvage. You lose because you're either out of clones or your MCC was destroyed. Thinking in game terms if you're out of clones who is it that's collecting the salvage? If your MCC is destroyed how are you able to carry off the salvage? I also agree on the SP point. It's experience and should be simply based on how you perform in the game and what you achieve. SK should be a set amount, but maybe the employer pays a bonus to the winning team or the best performing team members afterwards? I'd rather see something along those lines where the rewards for winning are increased rather than the rewards for losing being decreased or taken away. Soon enough losing teams won't even be able to restock after a losiing battle if it went that way.

erm hello team based game not one man army. together we stand divided we fall every one should pull together. but no just keep thinking about your own ass is fine

erm hello team based game not one man army. together we stand divided we fall every one should pull together. but no just keep thinking about your own ass is fine

You really just don't get it do you? If this blather made any sense, then please explain why throughout the history of firearms and waging war, has the sniper been considered one of the most valuable assets on the field? Please go do some research and then please go tell a real sniper - who happens to save MANY friendlies daily that he is useless to his brothers. Not everyone is a 'run-n-gun' type of soldier! This is NOT just a run around and jump around and shoot kind of game. Nor should that be the mentality of anyone who is actually going to eventually do well at this game once all the kinks are worked out. It's cool if you don't like it, but don't accuse people of being useless when the only useless part of this thread is the OP.

And, again, go do some research on the topic.

You really just don't get it do you? If this blather made any sense, then please explain why throughout the history of firearms and waging war, has the sniper been considered one of the most valuable assets on the field? Please go do some research and then please go tell a real sniper - who happens to save MANY friendlies daily that he is useless to his brothers. Not everyone is a 'run-n-gun' type of soldier! This is NOT just a run around and jump around and shoot kind of game. Nor should that be the mentality of anyone who is actually going to eventually do well at this game once all the kinks are worked out. It's cool if you don't like it, but don't accuse people of being useless when the only useless part of this thread is the OP.

And, again, go do some research on the topic.

You really just don't get it do you? If this blather made any sense, then please explain why throughout the history of firearms and waging war, has the sniper been considered one of the most valuable assets on the field? Please go do some research and then please go tell a real sniper - who happens to save MANY friendlies daily that he is useless to his brothers. Not everyone is a 'run-n-gun' type of soldier! This is NOT just a run around and jump around and shoot kind of game. Nor should that be the mentality of anyone who is actually going to eventually do well at this game once all the kinks are worked out. It's cool if you don't like it, but don't accuse people of being useless when the only useless part of this thread is the OP.

And, again, go do some research on the topic.

Why are we trying to get snipers and tank drivers and everyone down into the battle? You do realize everyone doesn't play assault right? Everyone has a different view on classes that take skill vs. classes that don't. Personally, I don't think playing assault takes skill, let me spray a wall of bullets at you, not really aiming, not really caring, until you die because I just held the trigger down for the last 15 seconds. I don't want to play that way, if that is what the game becomes Ill gladly go play something else. So saying to make losing hurt more to get snipers to not play a sniper role, or tank drivers to not drive a vehicle is BULLSHIT. Everyone may not want to play like you.

Dave,

This is a great idea. I've certainly never paid anyone for a job not done.

This would stop all the useless snipers, vehicle idiots etc. And make people play to win or else get nothing or very much less.

Anyone not good with this knows they're useless to their team or simply should go play COD or EVE.

Says the warriors, the biggest boosters in the game. Lmfao. Good fun +1

Firstly this aint real life it's a video game.

Second 95 % of snipers are useless to their team on every game I've ever played.

Ding ding, hopping off your bus.

Dave,

This is a great idea. I've certainly never paid anyone for a job not done.

This would stop all the useless snipers, vehicle idiots etc. And make people play to win or else get nothing or very much less.

Anyone not good with this knows they're useless to their team or simply should go play COD or EVE.

Firstly this aint real life it's a video game.

Second 95 % of snipers are useless to their team on every game I've ever played.

Ding ding, hopping off your bus.

the answer to boosting via game play never heard of a merc getting paid for losing .
why should i and my team get paid SP & ISK + salvage for losing a battle badly.?
If the stakes were higher people would be more inclined to play the game as intended.
losers should feel the pain of losing not get rewarded for it.
this won't fix everything but will go a long way.

get the game play going ccp

rofl, this is funny considering played Warriors other day in ambush and all you/they tried to do is SP farm and LOST and died quite a bit . But i bet you still made SP & ISK (and that isnt the only time you've done that) , so not sure how you can justify saying this. But whatever, to each their own

the answer to boosting via game play never heard of a merc getting paid for losing .
why should i and my team get paid SP & ISK + salvage for losing a battle badly.?
If the stakes were higher people would be more inclined to play the game as intended.
losers should feel the pain of losing not get rewarded for it.
this won't fix everything but will go a long way.

get the game play going ccp

the answer to boosting via game play never heard of a merc getting paid for losing .
why should i and my team get paid SP & ISK + salvage for losing a battle badly.?
If the stakes were higher people would be more inclined to play the game as intended.
losers should feel the pain of losing not get rewarded for it.
this won't fix everything but will go a long way.

get the game play going ccp

HELL NO!!!!!!!!
In case I was unclear.
YOU are one of THOSE that stay at the SPAWN all game and are uselessly farming SP as the rest of us try to win.
Wheres the ICON for really MAD at glitchers like you.!!

LOL, could you imagine telling a real life merc that you didn't like the way he did his job so your not paying? i imagine the next thing you hear is the sound of a weapon being drawn.

the answer to boosting via game play never heard of a merc getting paid for losing .
why should i and my team get paid SP & ISK + salvage for losing a battle badly.?
If the stakes were higher people would be more inclined to play the game as intended.
losers should feel the pain of losing not get rewarded for it.
this won't fix everything but will go a long way.

get the game play going ccp

Ok how about, you lose, you get no ISK no salvage but you can have the same SP.

I really don't get why some of you think losers should recieve the same rewards as the victors ?.

LOL, could you imagine telling a real life merc that you didn't like the way he did his job so your not paying? i imagine the next thing you hear is the sound of a weapon being drawn.

you're kidding right? so you hire a merc to do a job. say protect a space station or manufacturing facility. so then it gets blown all to hell...remind me what you'd be paying him for again?

for trying? Yoda told me a loooont time ago "there is not try"...

DO OR DO NOT.

No win, no fee. 25% less SP and absolutely no salvage. this isnt Call of Dummy....

People that have these you shouldn't be paid if you lose opinions apparently don't live in the same world the rest of us do. I really gotta talk to my travel agent about going to happy world land.

Let's look at this from a real world perspective for a minute. You hire someone to attack anywhere, you're gonna pay them money up front. They aren't gonna go be shot at without some money up front. Now if they lose, naturally you don't have to pay them again because they are dead, and you won't hire them again because they are dead. We don't respawn in real life last time I checked.

Now if they go and "win" whatever scenario you hired them for, you're gonna pay them the rest you agreed upon, or they are liable to kill you as well. So you'll pay, either the money or your life, a true merc doesn't care.

As far as the game goes, if I was running a corp, Id tell you the fee before I agreed to help you, and Id expect half up front. Now since we respawn in this game, sure I may not expect the other half if we lose, but yeah you're at least gonna pay half. I assume most corps will take this stance or a similar one. Because regardless of winning or losing, Im still spending money fighting for you. So you got to at least cover those initial losses. That just makes sense.

So no the losers should still gain isk even though they lost, but they shouldn't receive as much as the winning team. Simple as that, now as for salvage I don't really care who gets that, and SP should be on an individual basis.