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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2012.09.25 19:43:00 -
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BLENDEDDAVE WARRIORS wrote:the answer to boosting via game play never heard of a merc getting paid for losing . why should i and my team get paid SP & ISK + salvage for losing a battle badly.? If the stakes were higher people would be more inclined to play the game as intended. losers should feel the pain of losing not get rewarded for it. this won't fix everything but will go a long way. get the game play going ccp 
Well you dont get "Paid" SP, its experience, you obtain it by experiencing things...like battle.
Secondly, winning isn't always the goal, sometimes just doing financial damage is imporrtant. All depends on wahat the conctractor really wants as an end result.
Regardless, no SP or ISK gain would cause mass backing out on games that start to go poorly because people would rather start a new game than stick with one that would offer zero reward. This in turn would make their team do even worse, and cause more people to back out.
There are more elegant solutions to this apparent boosting problem, but this is not one of them.
-1 one from me. |
Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2012.09.25 20:12:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:Ok.... 25% less SP
50% less ISK
You can keep the salvage.
Why would you gain less experience? You were still in the battle for the full duration and thus experienced one battle worth of experience. You don't gain less experience for losing a battle, the end result doesn't change your in-game actions. |
Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2012.09.25 20:38:00 -
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Skytt Syysch wrote:ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:
I didn't say they get nothing just less............. If you and your team are rubbish and you keep losing............ Tough.
HTFU........... It's a war game......... get better or get out.........
Adapt or Die isn't that the saying.
It doesn't make sense for them to get less SP, though. That's the thing. You both participated in battle, you should both learn the same from your experiences. You don't forget some of it just because your team lost. I'm fine with ISK having a bonus for winning, but SP should be earned at the same rate regardless of your winning or losing.
Exactly. I'm approaching it from an in-game perspective on what makes sense. Yes I see what you're saying that it encourages people to try harder, but the fact of the matter is that you already get more SP by doing better and trying harder...penalizing people for losing doesn't change the fact that they earned what they fought for. The more you do in a battle, the more SP you get, not winning doesn't decrease how much you did.
As for ISK I do agree with some reduction to the amount of ISK earned. Chances are if you didn't finish the job someone hired you for, they're not going to give you the full amount. However, when doing any sort of business like this, for me at least, I always ask for a non-refundable down payment for work done. In that regard, people should still make some money, even if they lose. |
Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2012.09.25 20:42:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:Hey I'm fine with getting less if my team loses, It'll just make me try harder next time.
Is all this panicing because you all are really that bad. ?
Oh yes I'm horrible. Generally get around a 4-5 KDR and earning 80k-100k SP a match because I just **** around the whole time. Oh I'm also a booster too, I follow infantry around, and when they take damage, I repair their armor. Horrible I know. |
Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2012.09.25 20:54:00 -
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In regards to paying people even if they don't win. I may perhaps contract a Dust Corp to continually attack one planet and use nothing but free Starter Fits. I'm not expecting them to win, I'm expecting them to waste the money of the other corp. It's a tactic to waste the enemy faction's wallet without really impacting your own. |
Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2012.09.25 21:05:00 -
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Daken Cydonia wrote:
SP rewards should be left alone, they seem to be working as intended, booster/farmers are irritating, but I imagine they'll stick to carebear highsec matches without FF for boosting.
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Really the best way to deal with excessive boosting is to give diminishing returns for repeating the same action on the same target for too long. Much like practicing a skill in real life, repeating it over and over will give you experience, but after a while the same amount of practice will yield less improvement. Same principle in Dust, repair the same dropship over and over, sure at first it'll give you lots of experience, but if you keep doing it over and over (This is all within the same match by the way) the amount of experience (SP) they you gain from repeating that action sharply drops off. Not to nothing, but low enough where its no longer beneficial to continue doing it. |
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