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Kiriap. The numbers already speak loudly, the latest AV boost and Tank hypernerf is just far far too much.
If you need us to test tanks, lower their price to the level they are now worth. About par (cost wise) with an Advanced Forge gun I'd say.

You seem to be forgetting that we're getting active shield hardeners in the next build. What REALLY hurt the tank, is the same thing that REALLY hurt dropships, SHIELD AMPLIFIERS were nerfed. With active shield hardeners, you will be able to use SKILL to give you bursts of high damage resistance.

Believe it or not, CCP is making DUST 514, I think they have a slight idea of what it is they're doing.

You seem to forget we don't have them now. If they want to adjust tanks in preparation for active hardeners, they should have waited with the adjustments till we had them. OR lowered the cost of the tanks so people can afford testing them in THIS build.

Deal with it and provide feedback.

In case you didn't read what I said. I just DID!

And no, not dealing with it, tanks had bugs that needed fixing, true, this hypernerf is far too much, and FAR too aggressive.

In case you didn't read what I said. I just DID!

And no, not dealing with it, tanks had bugs that needed fixing, true, this hypernerf is far too much, and FAR too aggressive.

Kiriap. The numbers already speak loudly, the latest AV boost and Tank hypernerf is just far far too much.
If you need us to test tanks, lower their price to the level they are now worth. About par (cost wise) with an Advanced Forge gun I'd say.

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If you are trying to get a game from first person shooter to a Heavy armor warfare game, then you are confused and should return to Battlefield. Dust 514 is a FPS/MMO so it has the best of both worlds. Be aware the price reflects the reason why people don't like them. 1. they are powerful and super deadly. 2. this tank is not for the faint of heart or light on funds. Enjoy

Guess it's time to bust out your militia suit and go 25/4ish that way instead.

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CCP isn't done tweaking this, obviously, but in the mean time we will hear QQing forever because some gamers just can't admit that they just aren't that good, they lack the inability to not go full R-Tard when something makes them upset, and they can't look at the problem objectively and say to themselves, "How can we make this better?"

You mean like all the retards that couldnt figure out how to put some SP into a custom AV class, and instead chose to come here and whine about "OP tanks" til CCP went and overdid a nerf so that all vehicles are ****? Is that what you mean?

You mean like all the retards that couldnt figure out how to put some SP into a custom AV class, and instead chose to come here and whine about "OP tanks" til CCP went and overdid a nerf so that all vehicles are ****? Is that what you mean?

More like the groups of guys that DID put points into AV, and were hunting tanks in coordinated packs, and were STILL being slaughtered unless they got very lucky, or the tank driver fell asleep while fondling himself. You lack the vision to see where these changes are going.

Just as heavies are going through a rough patch, tanks are too. Rather than nerf ARs or snipers, just wait till all the mods are available.

A couple hardeners or some decent repair skills and you won't have a problem. Just need to wait and learn to adapt to less than awesome scenarios

I know where they are going, one guy soloing a Sagaris with swarm launchers. Half the people complaining about tanks were noobs who select "Shock - Heavy" when they want to do AV.

My poor little tanky wankys lost their god mode, aww shame. This is supposed to be a FPS game idiots, don't like it, can't FPS, two choices, HTFU, or go play WOT. I have zero sympathy that you can no longer go 40 for 0 in your talentless tin cans and look forward to owning everyone of you I see.

You don't get it, do you? They did nothing to stop us from going 40/0. They just made it more likely that a random will come along and solo us in 5 seconds flat. It's still an I-win button, just now with an achillies heel.

I think it's hillarious that some people beat their chests about how awesome they are for running around in a suit and killing people but how it takes 'no skill' to ride around in a vehicle and kill people.

Elitist snobs apparently don't realize people laugh at them.

You ever been in a game where you can unload a full mag of Assault Rifle on a Militia Scout and barely dent his shield, even though you were aimed dead at him the whole time? Happens on every third or fourth game here, and other attacks are equally useless. It's due to LAG, which no Elite FPS Faceroller can get through.

You ever been on that one Assault map you didn't choose on the losing team (because the game doesn't let you even choose what map you play, let alone whether you join one in the middle or start it fresh) and STILL get repsawned next to the Red Blob, over and over again? How's your 1337 Shootah Skillz helpin you there? Ah, right, probably just Exit Game to preserve your precious KDR.

Or hey, how about just getting saddled with Team ****** over and over because your buddies aren't on. How's that go for you? Can your awesomesauce ways counter an entire herd of slack-jawed, mouth-breathing morons? You know, the ones that think they can avoid getting hit by jumping in place, or who all run different directions rather than clump up?

Sorry guys, but you can't always have things go your way. And congrats on skilling toward whatever the FotM happens to be right now, or just having that roulette ball land on your number.

Some of us, though, used tanks to COUNTER the giant steaming pille of excrement the game decides to serve us. Because sometimes, when you get tired of having to deal with the same BS over and over instead of getting a good game, you call down a tank and get to business fixing the issue yourself.

Yeah, tanks have been nerfed into the dirt. But, you know, instead of pulling 17 and 3, I guess I'll have to start doing 8 and 2's instead. (Those first deaths are usually due to bad spawn or any of the bullshit above. At that point, it's Tanking Time!) A tragic price to pay, I'm sure, but fortunately I still have 4 sacrificial Somas and 3 disposable Sicas left to adapt to this New Infantry Order while I'm raking in assists, Team Spawns, and Team Revives. Because, honestly, I give zero craps about KDR, all I care about are having a good time and getting a decent pile of SP in the bargain.

Just remember... all this 'era' of the game is going to do will be to seperate the wheat from the chaff. The 'skilled' tank players will continue on, those who just used it for free points will give up in frustration. People will get lazy with AV and it won't be seen as often once the less-dedicated tankers are gone. But when the pendulum swings the other way, when they are released from the cauldron of lethal evolution as the game rules shift, you're going to weep gloriously salty tears when you see what they can do after getting rebuffed.

Logi + Tank 4 Life. Don't worry, we Tankers... we will survive.

Fine then I guess you're saying it needs more nerfing. Good for you owning up.

My poor little tanky wankys lost their god mode, aww shame. This is supposed to be a FPS game idiots, don't like it, can't FPS, two choices, HTFU, or go play WOT. I have zero sympathy that you can no longer go 40 for 0 in your talentless tin cans and look forward to owning everyone of you I see.

For the sake of clarification for those with short memories, the first whiners to get their way were the tank drivers.

Anyway, what the devs are doing is see-saw balance. What they do is they balance too far in one direction to make the stats clearer in a shorter period of time - then they what's dieing too fast and what's living too long and dial in the balance.
I've never personally been happy with the results of this "technique", but it's what you do when you're strapped for time and someone wants numbers to whack off to.

I feel they need to think in a less linear fashion and focus more on the FPS core that is infantry then bring vehicles in as a way to enhance that interaction. Branch out from there instead of trying to force a balance between what is essentially two completely different games. LAV's and Dropships seem to fit fine, mostly due to the fact that they enhance the FPS by supplying an alternative means of transport in these massive maps.
Tanks however do nothing to enhance the core FPS, they're either some game rule defying behemoth or a bonus target to justify the SP sunk into AV.

At the FPS level, I would like to see them as a sort of prestige item that helps a team farm WP while providing mobile fire support/area denial, the tip of the spear in a siege on an area well protected by installations, and be the, well... be the Tank in the TPS vehicular scheme.

I say let the tank drivers bore themselves to death. Eventually many of them will probably quit playing Dust because rolling around in a tank all day getting easy kills is a sad, boring existence and they'll probably get sick of it. The result is they'd want to start fighting on the ground @ the front line...but with little to no experience doing so they'll get slaughtered because they don't know how to get a kill on foot (probably still have aim assist on). Final result: Bored tanker + pissed off foot soldier = rage quit the game because its free.

~Brezz

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do you need 5000000000000 people to say this patch was over kill or you all just going too let it go ccp plz fix your bad fix

That right there is what I think this is really about... Most players inability to pull that off. Tanks were the Super Heavy Suit that you had to spec into if you wanted to pull down those massive kills if you suck. Now teamwork can really shine and that puts a wet blanket over a lot of people's parties.

CCP isn't done tweaking this, obviously, but in the mean time we will hear QQing forever because some gamers just can't admit that they just aren't that good, they lack the inability to not go full R-Tard when something makes them upset, and they can't look at the problem objectively and say to themselves, "How can we make this better?"

We share a world with all kinds of people and as we all know, babies cry the loudest.

It wasnt a bad fix, it's a step in the right direction, along with Turrets being used by players and not the driver and Dropships getting a HP buff.

Once Ewar is in that will make a tank a force multiplier and you'll notice a huge difference.

For the sake of clarification for those with short memories, the first whiners to get their way were the tank drivers.

On the 28th day CCP said "let there be light" and burning tanks shone bright in every corner of dust.
On the 29th day there was rage. And CCP saw that it was good.

Just use militia tanks you fools... They're cheap and good! Then you can actually get good...

I have an answer for that. But I'm not going to tell you. While I hate DUST at the moment, I don't want to get the ban my answer would so richly deserve.

In case you didn't read what I said. I just DID!

And no, not dealing with it, tanks had bugs that needed fixing, true, this hypernerf is far too much, and FAR too aggressive.

A wonderful attitude you have there.

In all fairness, most tank players I have seen are like fish out of water when they are outside of their tanks. Pretty much useless to the team and depleting clone reserves.

because dropsuit EHP nerf + AV -20% nerf was not "FAR too aggressive."

We put up with that for WEEKS, surely you can return the favour, or is that too big an ask now that you can actually die from a Reasonable amount of damage actually you know... DAMAGING you.

1. I never supported that nerf, I have no idea why they did it, so don't put blame on me for it.

2. That is probably the most idiotic thing I've seen today. I feel more stupid for having just read it. The answer to a bad nerf is reverse the nerf and punish the other side because of it for a while?

SOME tank modules had issues/bugs, the tanks themselves were plenty easy to kill had it not been for that bug. No way should militia gear be able to solo kill a 1-2M isk tank, that is where we are now, and that is so much worse than the AV nerf, which they have more or less reversed now, haven't they?

Well that's harsh.........