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drake sadani
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.15 13:26:00 -
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how you liking those AV grenades and nano points . i tore a gunloggi a new exhaust port . and it was not easy. but it was fun
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aden slayer
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
407
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Posted - 2012.09.15 13:29:00 -
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Well that's harsh......... |
drake sadani
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.15 13:40:00 -
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thats just a flesh wound he yelled then at 25% shield he ran away and sat at the edge of the map.... i think repair logistics will be a thing now
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GM Kiriap
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.15 13:43:00 -
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Please read the FORUM RULES
Rule #4 " Be respectful of others at all times."
The purpose of the forum is to provide a platform for the exchange of ideas. Occasionally, there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Be courteous when disagreeing with others. It is possible to disagree without being insulting.
Thanks.
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Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.09.15 14:52:00 -
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GM Kiriap wrote:Please read the FORUM RULESRule #4 " Be respectful of others at all times." The purpose of the forum is to provide a platform for the exchange of ideas. Occasionally, there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Be courteous when disagreeing with others. It is possible to disagree without being insulting. Thanks.
Kiriap. The numbers already speak loudly, the latest AV boost and Tank hypernerf is just far far too much. If you need us to test tanks, lower their price to the level they are now worth. About par (cost wise) with an Advanced Forge gun I'd say. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1903
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Posted - 2012.09.15 14:55:00 -
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Dewie Cheecham wrote:
Kiriap. The numbers already speak loudly, the latest AV boost and Tank hypernerf is just far far too much. If you need us to test tanks, lower their price to the level they are now worth. About par (cost wise) with an Advanced Forge gun I'd say.
You seem to be forgetting that we're getting active shield / armor hardeners in the next build. What REALLY hurt the tank, is the same thing that REALLY hurt dropships, SHIELD & ARMOR AMPLIFIERS were nerfed. With active shield / armor hardeners, you will be able to use SKILL to give you bursts of high damage resistance.
Believe it or not, CCP is making DUST 514, I think they have a slight idea of what it is they're doing. |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.09.15 14:58:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Dewie Cheecham wrote:
Kiriap. The numbers already speak loudly, the latest AV boost and Tank hypernerf is just far far too much. If you need us to test tanks, lower their price to the level they are now worth. About par (cost wise) with an Advanced Forge gun I'd say.
You seem to be forgetting that we're getting active shield hardeners in the next build. What REALLY hurt the tank, is the same thing that REALLY hurt dropships, SHIELD AMPLIFIERS were nerfed. With active shield hardeners, you will be able to use SKILL to give you bursts of high damage resistance. Believe it or not, CCP is making DUST 514, I think they have a slight idea of what it is they're doing.
You seem to forget we don't have them now. If they want to adjust tanks in preparation for active hardeners, they should have waited with the adjustments till we had them. OR lowered the cost of the tanks so people can afford testing them in THIS build. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1903
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Posted - 2012.09.15 14:59:00 -
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Dewie Cheecham wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Dewie Cheecham wrote:
Kiriap. The numbers already speak loudly, the latest AV boost and Tank hypernerf is just far far too much. If you need us to test tanks, lower their price to the level they are now worth. About par (cost wise) with an Advanced Forge gun I'd say.
You seem to be forgetting that we're getting active shield hardeners in the next build. What REALLY hurt the tank, is the same thing that REALLY hurt dropships, SHIELD AMPLIFIERS were nerfed. With active shield hardeners, you will be able to use SKILL to give you bursts of high damage resistance. Believe it or not, CCP is making DUST 514, I think they have a slight idea of what it is they're doing. You seem to forget we don't have them now. If they want to adjust tanks in preparation for active hardeners, they should have waited with the adjustments till we had them. OR lowered the cost of the tanks so people can afford testing them in THIS build.
Oh no, you have to be on the end of the spanking wheel for a little while, WAAAA. It's a beta.
Deal with it and provide feedback. |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.09.15 15:11:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Deal with it and provide feedback.
In case you didn't read what I said. I just DID!
And no, not dealing with it, tanks had bugs that needed fixing, true, this hypernerf is far too much, and FAR too aggressive. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1903
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Posted - 2012.09.15 15:14:00 -
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Dewie Cheecham wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Deal with it and provide feedback. In case you didn't read what I said. I just DID! And no, not dealing with it, tanks had bugs that needed fixing, true, this hypernerf is far too much, and FAR too aggressive.
That's how they do it. They tone things way back, then they start tweaking them upwards slowly. Guess it's time to bust out your militia suit and go 25/4ish that way instead. The only reason I bitched about dropships was because it's a nightmare to learn how to fly them, not because they're super expensive paper airplanes. If you don't want to deal with it and try to change your tank fits, try something else, or put the game down till the next build. They can't just patch things on a whim, so like it or not, you're stuck with this until the next build. |
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Traynor Youngs
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
287
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Posted - 2012.09.15 15:15:00 -
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Dewie Cheecham wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Deal with it and provide feedback. In case you didn't read what I said. I just DID! And no, not dealing with it, tanks had bugs that needed fixing, true, this hypernerf is far too much, and FAR too aggressive.
WAAAAAH! I want to be able to afford tanks TOO!...
WAAAAAAAAHHH!
Ill just complain on the forums and disguise it as wanting more testing! That is sure to work!
/sarcasm
HTFU and get over it. |
Ungodly0529 Ghost-Wolf
Ghost Wolf Industries
1
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Posted - 2012.09.15 15:49:00 -
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Dewie Cheecham wrote:GM Kiriap wrote:Please read the FORUM RULESRule #4 " Be respectful of others at all times." The purpose of the forum is to provide a platform for the exchange of ideas. Occasionally, there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Be courteous when disagreeing with others. It is possible to disagree without being insulting. Thanks. Kiriap. The numbers already speak loudly, the latest AV boost and Tank hypernerf is just far far too much. If you need us to test tanks, lower their price to the level they are now worth. About par (cost wise) with an Advanced Forge gun I'd say.
If you are trying to get a game from first person shooter to a Heavy armor warfare game, then you are confused and should return to Battlefield. Dust 514 is a FPS/MMO so it has the best of both worlds. Be aware the price reflects the reason why people don't like them. 1. they are powerful and super deadly. 2. this tank is not for the faint of heart or light on funds. Enjoy |
Nstomper
Th3-ReSiStAnCe-SEC.0
205
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Posted - 2012.09.15 15:56:00 -
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Being a foot soldier is better than sitting in a tank all game , like the tank drivers that are complaining probably did and now they are sad cause they can't boost their way to getting high k/d,isk, and sp by murdering everyone else the easy way |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
479
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Posted - 2012.09.15 15:59:00 -
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GM Kiriap wrote:Please read the FORUM RULESRule #4 " Be respectful of others at all times." The purpose of the forum is to provide a platform for the exchange of ideas. Occasionally, there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Be courteous when disagreeing with others. It is possible to disagree without being insulting. Thanks.
You let tanks **** us for weeks, and only after devs actually played a game and got spanked by tanks did you apply a hot fix and relieve us, tankers are just getting the smug rubbed back in the faces after the hundreds of posts telling the rest of us to learn to work as a team and that tanks weren't OP. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.09.15 16:02:00 -
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Ungodly0529 Ghost-Wolf wrote:Dewie Cheecham wrote:GM Kiriap wrote:Please read the FORUM RULESRule #4 " Be respectful of others at all times." The purpose of the forum is to provide a platform for the exchange of ideas. Occasionally, there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Be courteous when disagreeing with others. It is possible to disagree without being insulting. Thanks. Kiriap. The numbers already speak loudly, the latest AV boost and Tank hypernerf is just far far too much. If you need us to test tanks, lower their price to the level they are now worth. About par (cost wise) with an Advanced Forge gun I'd say. If you are trying to get a game from first person shooter to a Heavy armor warfare game, then you are confused and should return to Battlefield. Dust 514 is a FPS/MMO so it has the best of both worlds. Be aware the price reflects the reason why people don't like them. 1. they are powerful and super deadly. 2. this tank is not for the faint of heart or light on funds. Enjoy
BF3 has turned to Call of field 3 tbh because half of the vehicles has been hit heavy with the nerf bat and are only good for taxis tbh
When BF3 was released it wasnt too bad, the stinger and jav were broke but DICE cant patch **** all anyways so when they did get fixed they nerfed everything else
Tanks were strong this build because of a lot of factors such as isk/sp gain and also market prices and the fact its easier to skill into a tank than AV and also the AV nerf which wasnt needed, now they have gone the other way and completely ****** the balance where tanks are now afraid of infantry |
Loss Tovas
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
236
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Posted - 2012.09.15 16:05:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote: Guess it's time to bust out your militia suit and go 25/4ish that way instead.
That right there is what I think this is really about... Most players inability to pull that off. Tanks were the Super Heavy Suit that you had to spec into if you wanted to pull down those massive kills if you suck. Now teamwork can really shine and that puts a wet blanket over a lot of people's parties.
CCP isn't done tweaking this, obviously, but in the mean time we will hear QQing forever because some gamers just can't admit that they just aren't that good, they lack the inability to not go full R-Tard when something makes them upset, and they can't look at the problem objectively and say to themselves, "How can we make this better?"
We share a world with all kinds of people and as we all know, babies cry the loudest. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.09.15 16:10:00 -
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Oh look another one of these. Tanks were OP because the railgun and missiles were good at everything. They barely changed this aspect at all. They died way too quickly before the AV nerf, and to be honest were probably right where they needed to be (takes a large effort without prototype, with it takes a small squad) if and only if they continued to tweak the turrets. Instead they just made them glass cannons. Perfect for pub-stomping solo, worthless for organized play. The exact opposite of what people wanted them to be changed to. |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2012.09.15 19:38:00 -
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Loss Tovas wrote:[quote=DUST Fiend] CCP isn't done tweaking this, obviously, but in the mean time we will hear QQing forever because some gamers just can't admit that they just aren't that good, they lack the inability to not go full R-Tard when something makes them upset, and they can't look at the problem objectively and say to themselves, "How can we make this better?"
You mean like all the retards that couldnt figure out how to put some SP into a custom AV class, and instead chose to come here and whine about "OP tanks" til CCP went and overdid a nerf so that all vehicles are ****? Is that what you mean? |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1903
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Posted - 2012.09.15 19:42:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:Loss Tovas wrote:[quote=DUST Fiend] CCP isn't done tweaking this, obviously, but in the mean time we will hear QQing forever because some gamers just can't admit that they just aren't that good, they lack the inability to not go full R-Tard when something makes them upset, and they can't look at the problem objectively and say to themselves, "How can we make this better?"
You mean like all the retards that couldnt figure out how to put some SP into a custom AV class, and instead chose to come here and whine about "OP tanks" til CCP went and overdid a nerf so that all vehicles are ****? Is that what you mean?
More like the groups of guys that DID put points into AV, and were hunting tanks in coordinated packs, and were STILL being slaughtered unless they got very lucky, or the tank driver fell asleep while fondling himself. You lack the vision to see where these changes are going. |
Loss Tovas
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
236
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Posted - 2012.09.15 19:43:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote: You mean like all the retards that couldnt figure out how to put some SP into a custom AV class, and instead chose to come here and whine about "OP tanks" til CCP went and overdid a nerf so that all vehicles are ****? Is that what you mean?
No, I was specifically referring to you. |
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Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2012.09.15 19:47:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Loss Tovas wrote:[quote=DUST Fiend] CCP isn't done tweaking this, obviously, but in the mean time we will hear QQing forever because some gamers just can't admit that they just aren't that good, they lack the inability to not go full R-Tard when something makes them upset, and they can't look at the problem objectively and say to themselves, "How can we make this better?"
You mean like all the retards that couldnt figure out how to put some SP into a custom AV class, and instead chose to come here and whine about "OP tanks" til CCP went and overdid a nerf so that all vehicles are ****? Is that what you mean? More like the groups of guys that DID put points into AV, and were hunting tanks in coordinated packs, and were STILL being slaughtered unless they got very lucky, or the tank driver fell asleep while fondling himself. You lack the vision to see where these changes are going.
I know where they are going, one guy soloing a Sagaris with swarm launchers. Half the people complaining about tanks were noobs who select "Shock - Heavy" when they want to do AV. |
Brumae Verres
24
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Posted - 2012.09.15 19:48:00 -
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Just as heavies are going through a rough patch, tanks are too. Rather than nerf ARs or snipers, just wait till all the mods are available.
A couple hardeners or some decent repair skills and you won't have a problem. Just need to wait and learn to adapt to less than awesome scenarios |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2012.09.15 19:51:00 -
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Brumae Verres wrote:Just as heavies are going through a rough patch, tanks are too. Rather than nerf ARs or snipers, just wait till all the mods are available.
A couple hardeners or some decent repair skills and you won't have a problem. Just need to wait and learn to adapt to less than awesome scenarios
I have max shield and armor skills, and my tanks are easy targets. We didnt need all of the nerfs. The ones we got dont even address some of the main issues that were even a little legitimate. Instead we got a setup where any idiot can solo a tank, or even two tanks. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1903
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Posted - 2012.09.15 19:52:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:I know where they are going, one guy soloing a Sagaris with swarm launchers. Half the people complaining about tanks were noobs who select "Shock - Heavy" when they want to do AV.
And the other half were coordinated teams and / or skilled lone wolfers that worked alongside other skilled lone wolfers (inevitable with the current lack of real corporations) Tanks were too strong. This game is all about customization, and we're getting more and more options for how to fit things. All of the changes that happen now are likely made in anticipation of these changes, to help generate more data for CCP to draw from.
I laugh when people bring up the tracking speed reduction on turrets, because they're putting out modules that increase the tracking speed. It's all about fitting your vehicles and dropsuits to match both your playstyle, and the potential circumstances you might face. This is a persistent universe. If you show up and trash someones place, you just might face the fury of an entire enemy alliance falling down upon you, it all depends.
EVE players are going to REVEL in destroying tanks and other large weapons platforms from space |
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS
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Posted - 2012.09.15 19:56:00 -
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My poor little tanky wankys lost their god mode, aww shame. This is supposed to be a FPS game idiots, don't like it, can't FPS, two choices, HTFU, or go play WOT. I have zero sympathy that you can no longer go 40 for 0 in your talentless tin cans and look forward to owning everyone of you I see. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.09.15 19:59:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:My poor little tanky wankys lost their god mode, aww shame. This is supposed to be a FPS game idiots, don't like it, can't FPS, two choices, HTFU, or go play WOT. I have zero sympathy that you can no longer go 40 for 0 in your talentless tin cans and look forward to owning everyone of you I see.
You don't get it, do you? They did nothing to stop us from going 40/0. They just made it more likely that a random will come along and solo us in 5 seconds flat. It's still an I-win button, just now with an achillies heel. |
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS
134
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Posted - 2012.09.15 20:01:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:My poor little tanky wankys lost their god mode, aww shame. This is supposed to be a FPS game idiots, don't like it, can't FPS, two choices, HTFU, or go play WOT. I have zero sympathy that you can no longer go 40 for 0 in your talentless tin cans and look forward to owning everyone of you I see. You don't get it, do you? They did nothing to stop us from going 40/0. They just made it more likely that a random will come along and solo us in 5 seconds flat. It's still an I-win button, just now with an achillies heel.
Fine then I guess you're saying it needs more nerfing. Good for you owning up. |
Whispercrow
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
102
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Posted - 2012.09.15 20:03:00 -
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I think it's hillarious that some people beat their chests about how awesome they are for running around in a suit and killing people but how it takes 'no skill' to ride around in a vehicle and kill people.
Elitist snobs apparently don't realize people laugh at them.
You ever been in a game where you can unload a full mag of Assault Rifle on a Militia Scout and barely dent his shield, even though you were aimed dead at him the whole time? Happens on every third or fourth game here, and other attacks are equally useless. It's due to LAG, which no Elite FPS Faceroller can get through.
You ever been on that one Assault map you didn't choose on the losing team (because the game doesn't let you even choose what map you play, let alone whether you join one in the middle or start it fresh) and STILL get repsawned next to the Red Blob, over and over again? How's your 1337 Shootah Skillz helpin you there? Ah, right, probably just Exit Game to preserve your precious KDR.
Or hey, how about just getting saddled with Team ****** over and over because your buddies aren't on. How's that go for you? Can your awesomesauce ways counter an entire herd of slack-jawed, mouth-breathing morons? You know, the ones that think they can avoid getting hit by jumping in place, or who all run different directions rather than clump up?
Sorry guys, but you can't always have things go your way. And congrats on skilling toward whatever the FotM happens to be right now, or just having that roulette ball land on your number.
Some of us, though, used tanks to COUNTER the giant steaming pille of excrement the game decides to serve us. Because sometimes, when you get tired of having to deal with the same BS over and over instead of getting a good game, you call down a tank and get to business fixing the issue yourself.
Yeah, tanks have been nerfed into the dirt. But, you know, instead of pulling 17 and 3, I guess I'll have to start doing 8 and 2's instead. (Those first deaths are usually due to bad spawn or any of the bullshit above. At that point, it's Tanking Time!) A tragic price to pay, I'm sure, but fortunately I still have 4 sacrificial Somas and 3 disposable Sicas left to adapt to this New Infantry Order while I'm raking in assists, Team Spawns, and Team Revives. Because, honestly, I give zero craps about KDR, all I care about are having a good time and getting a decent pile of SP in the bargain.
Just remember... all this 'era' of the game is going to do will be to seperate the wheat from the chaff. The 'skilled' tank players will continue on, those who just used it for free points will give up in frustration. People will get lazy with AV and it won't be seen as often once the less-dedicated tankers are gone. But when the pendulum swings the other way, when they are released from the cauldron of lethal evolution as the game rules shift, you're going to weep gloriously salty tears when you see what they can do after getting rebuffed.
Logi + Tank 4 Life. Don't worry, we Tankers... we will survive. |
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS
134
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Posted - 2012.09.15 20:07:00 -
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Whispercrow wrote: I think it's hillarious that some people beat their chests about how awesome they are for running around in a suit and killing people but how it takes 'no skill' to ride around in a vehicle and kill people.
Elitist snobs apparently don't realize people laugh at them.
You ever been in a game where you can unload a full mag of Assault Rifle on a Militia Scout and barely dent his shield, even though you were aimed dead at him the whole time? Happens on every third or fourth game here, and other attacks are equally useless. It's due to LAG, which no Elite FPS Faceroller can get through.
You ever been on that one Assault map you didn't choose on the losing team (because the game doesn't let you even choose what map you play, let alone whether you join one in the middle or start it fresh) and STILL get repsawned next to the Red Blob, over and over again? How's your 1337 Shootah Skillz helpin you there? Ah, right, probably just Exit Game to preserve your precious KDR.
Or hey, how about just getting saddled with Team ****** over and over because your buddies aren't on. How's that go for you? Can your awesomesauce ways counter an entire herd of slack-jawed, mouth-breathing morons? You know, the ones that think they can avoid getting hit by jumping in place, or who all run different directions rather than clump up?
Sorry guys, but you can't always have things go your way. And congrats on skilling toward whatever the FotM happens to be right now, or just having that roulette ball land on your number.
Some of us, though, used tanks to COUNTER the giant steaming pille of excrement the game decides to serve us. Because sometimes, when you get tired of having to deal with the same BS over and over instead of getting a good game, you call down a tank and get to business fixing the issue yourself.
Yeah, tanks have been nerfed into the dirt. But, you know, instead of pulling 17 and 3, I guess I'll have to start doing 8 and 2's instead. (Those first deaths are usually due to bad spawn or any of the bullshit above. At that point, it's Tanking Time!) A tragic price to pay, I'm sure, but fortunately I still have 4 sacrificial Somas and 3 disposable Sicas left to adapt to this New Infantry Order while I'm raking in assists, Team Spawns, and Team Revives. Because, honestly, I give zero craps about KDR, all I care about are having a good time and getting a decent pile of SP in the bargain.
Just remember... all this 'era' of the game is going to do will be to seperate the wheat from the chaff. The 'skilled' tank players will continue on, those who just used it for free points will give up in frustration. People will get lazy with AV and it won't be seen as often once the less-dedicated tankers are gone. But when the pendulum swings the other way, when they are released from the cauldron of lethal evolution as the game rules shift, you're going to weep gloriously salty tears when you see what they can do after getting rebuffed.
Logi + Tank 4 Life. Don't worry, we Tankers... we will survive.
Awww poor butthurt, get the cream someone. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.09.15 20:08:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:My poor little tanky wankys lost their god mode, aww shame. This is supposed to be a FPS game idiots, don't like it, can't FPS, two choices, HTFU, or go play WOT. I have zero sympathy that you can no longer go 40 for 0 in your talentless tin cans and look forward to owning everyone of you I see. You don't get it, do you? They did nothing to stop us from going 40/0. They just made it more likely that a random will come along and solo us in 5 seconds flat. It's still an I-win button, just now with an achillies heel. Fine then I guess you're saying it needs more nerfing. Good for you owning up.
Actually that's exactly what I've been saying. Thanks for catching up. Turrets are OP. Whether they should remain so or not depends on their ability to make plausible facilities that aren't all sitting outside with no protection. The health nerf is just an asinine way to make them double broken. They still pub stomp, but are now utterly worthless against anyone with half a brain. |
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