thatGÇÖs why I agree with the nerf it was need and tank drivers just need to adapt to a more team based style. the above is just to make it clear on what needs tweaking and how the tanks need to adapt.

Tanks are garbage now. A single guy with a swarm launcher in a decent position where he is hard to hit can take out a tank pretty easy. If you want to waste ISK+SP go down now the road of tanks.

there is no problem with a solo infantry taking out a tank.

if that solo infantry can OHK a non militia tank with militia gear, that is a problem (game wise), but i doubt it, unless said tank just sits there trying to tank the damage(1000dam. per swarm release, according to my calculations).

i may be wrong but 20% of 250 is 50 no.. so swarms should now be doing 300 damage per missile, not 320 ?


Tanks need to adapt, I'm sure things will change with the next build, and we may see a sleight buff to vehicle HP, drop ships already are getting said HP buff. I don't think tanks need much of a buff, they just need to learn how to position themselves so they can retreat faster :P

tanks in small Ambush maps are no longer a problem at least


on a side note... playing infantry ... I refuse to help tank drivers that have annoyed me in the past ... i've started running away from tanks on my own team... hoping someone will blow them up! Sadly the good tank drivers are still good at getting away

On a second side note... drop ships are now getting one shot :(

Tanks are garbage now. A single guy with a swarm launcher in a decent position where he is hard to hit can take out a tank pretty easy. If you want to waste ISK+SP go down now the road of tanks.

If I can solo a tank, there's something wrong.

If only there were some way to have, I dunno, people on foot clear out guys with swarm launchers. If only there were some way to make that happen...

If I can solo a tank, there's something wrong.

really tiny text i guess it is 300 lol.

tanks should not be soloed by a equivalent or lesser tech weapons, swarms got to much 5% would have been better.

dropships donGÇÖt need a HP boost, they need a much higher explosive resistances, why because a infantry transport should be able to safely transport infantry. so higher explosive resistance would protect them from AA weapons but direct fire would still hurt them alot.

if you can solo a (militia) tank with (proto) AV, it's working

The key is to see how and if people adjust. That's likely part of why they waited so long on the HAV nerf despite the constant complaining.

For example, my dropship is much more fragile now and swarms are much more popular. I'm not going to just stop using it*, I'm going to modify my tactics to fit its new capabilities. If, after a while, no one is able to find success with dropships (and LAVs and HAVs), then they'll reexamine the balance. It's up to us vehicle driver folks to figure out what role we can occupy now.


*although I'm going to stop using a CRU, I had another dropship stolen by a random today while I was repairing it.

Are tanks really that bad since the nerf or are people just exhaggerating? I've not skiled into vehicles at all so I've never called one in but the nerf has gotten a lot of attention from players.

People are exaggerating because their god-mode is now only demigod-mode.

pretty much this.

some guy in a sagaris is now very concerned because he dies once every three games instead of once every ten.

mind you, it's a very expensive tank, but fielding it every game without consequence, or being able to farm enough isk so you always break even on it, is ******* dumb as all hell.

people are prone to exaggeration in order to make their claims sound more reasonable...

why just last week i caught a 40pound trout, it was no where near the usual 4 pound i get from that river...

I still think they are OP

Spent an entire match emptying proto swarms down the gullet of tanks on plateau earlier, never got either of them below 25% shields.

Getting your whole squad in the same place at the same time, and all with an AV loadout, to unload on a tank when a tank is faster than a sprinting scout is damn near impossible. OTOH, pushing right on the D-pad, choosing HAV, and then driving in circles OHKing anything that moves with 3 guns and 6000+ HP isn't exactly the epitome of skilled gameplay/teamwork.

You sir are a liar and have no clue. I kill tanks with the most basic of swarms and dropships, irrelevant of fit they go down in 2 volleys. You do know they have to lock on?, right?.

As for all these claims that tanks can't now farm SP/ISK. I've been running and gunning since the patch and actually making more a game than going 20-30/0 in a tank pre patch. 150K-250k in a tank without dying 200-300k for infantry and it's easier and I can do it with full militia gear.

Your all pretty much commenting on something you don't have the slightest idea about. All you know is before the patch you couldn't kill tanks with crap AV easily and now their soloable with milita gear. The risk versus reward was crap before and now it's just not even worth risking. In it's current state all vehicles should be a third of their price if you can 2 shot them with free AV.

All I see on these boards are people who don't understand the concept of risk vs reward. Your all too used to playing CoD and BF and think because it's a single guy in a tank that you alone should be able to take it out.

In every other FPS there's no such system, yet you all whine like it has to be "Balanced". If CCP keep listening to this crap instead of making Eve in FPS form then this game's gonna go downhill fast as there's far better FPS's out there. The meta game here is what set's it apart from other games and yet your all campaigning to strip it out.

A good comparision to Eve in both risk and rewards is imagine 3 frigates taking out a battlecruiser. The 3 frigates don't cost anywhere near the same cost combined, yet they could take it out with teamwork. The frigates have very little to lose due to the low cost of their ships and the cruiser has a lot to lose. If the frigates work alone then their dead pretty quick, but if they work together sure they may lose one, but they'd maybe get the kill.

The analogy here is that the frigates risked something, but risked very little. Where as the cruiser is put at risk, but he's invested enough to maybe take them on.

As it stands in dust now 1 guy with free gear can take down a Sagaris which costs 2mill isk. Militia gear requires nothing to earn it, a Sagaris costs millions of SP. The system is broken now but none of you see that.

To clarify this I can play a few games on foot and be able to buy proto equiment for my infantry. I have to play 20-30 games to get a tank that will get one shotted.

Keep praising this change though, I'm sure your all happy that it's become an infantry players wet dream.

I use swarms alot and I think they were buffed too much I think 5-10% would have been more reasonable or just give millia an extra swarm missile advanced 1 or 2 and proto 2 or 3 even 1 extra missle each would have been fine even if did a slight damage reduction

Players have been making it sound like they were nerfed to a point that you can't kill with them.

You sir are a liar and have no clue. I kill tanks with the most basic of swarms and dropships, irrelevant of fit they go down in 2 volleys. You do know they have to lock on?, right?.

As for all these claims that tanks can't now farm SP/ISK. I've been running and gunning since the patch and actually making more a game than going 20-30/0 in a tank pre patch. 150K-250k in a tank without dying 200-300k for infantry and it's easier and I can do it with full militia gear.

Your all pretty much commenting on something you don't have the slightest idea about. All you know is before the patch you couldn't kill tanks with crap AV easily and now their soloable with milita gear. The risk versus reward was crap before and now it's just not even worth risking. In it's current state all vehicles should be a third of their price if you can 2 shot them with free AV.

All I see on these boards are people who don't understand the concept of risk vs reward. Your all too used to playing CoD and BF and think because it's a single guy in a tank that you alone should be able to take it out.

In every other FPS there's no such system, yet you all whine like it has to be "Balanced". If CCP keep listening to this crap instead of making Eve in FPS form then this game's gonna go downhill fast as there's far better FPS's out there. The meta game here is what set's it apart from other games and yet your all campaigning to strip it out.

Keep praising this change though, I'm sure your all happy that it's become an infantry players wet dream.

thatGÇÖs why I agree with the nerf it was need and tank drivers just need to adapt to a more team based style. the above is just to make it clear on what needs tweaking and how the tanks need to adapt.

Because AV teams failed so miserably at it, CCP apparently think the people with brains (tankers) will be better at adapting.
While that is a valid expectation on CCP's side, it sucks at the moment, as we'll be forced to adapt without the modules that would allow us to do so.

If I can solo a tank, there's something wrong.

If I can solo a tank, there's something wrong.

you don't need modules to adapt, numbnuts, you need to adapt your TACTICS.
like, say, not running directly into an enemy infantry group and expecting to escape unscathed.

If I can solo a sagaris, there's something wrong.

Real life would disagree with you.

Yes, it's called "user error".

my issue with it is milita swarms soloing a tank, user error or not a tank should not be soloable by a milita swarm.

If I can solo a tank, there's something wrong.

my issue with it is milita swarms soloing a tank, user error or not a tank should not be soloable by a milita swarm.