Well we won't know until we try. That's what this beta s about. I am willing to sacrifice a few tanks to try to make the game enjoyable again. The splash damage reduction will go a long way in making it feel right. The forge gun back to normal is a bonus. Remember other suits and guns have had huge nerfs so it is the tanks turn. The nice thing is that ccp listened


Tomorrow will be a tank feast boys!

As a tank driver i'm pretty fine with this if people would stop being derps and actually get in my tank. Though I am a little annoyed with even further slowed turn rate on my turrets, that's going to become a pain in the ass, especially since there is such a huge penalty on the stabilized railgun anyhow. This isn't even so much about shooting things as it is spacial awareness. Though ambush tactics will be interesting. Then again alot of us tank drivers were considering swapping to dropships anyhow :p

i really like those changes, especially the turret turning speed as this will make the blaster better for anti personal and make the rail gun worse at it, like it is meant to.

i was thinking of the next build going to swarms as my proto forge wasnt that great but we shall see tonight :)

I already have to turn the tank in addition to the turret to be effective with the turret, which causes me to sacrifice mobility for accuracy

Oh noes! That's so terrible you can't have perfect accuracy at full speed.

These tweaks seem like the right direction, I was just in a match and me and 4-6 other heavy's were constantly unloading our swarms to one single tank (luckily one of my teammates had one of those ammo-drop things). When it looked like the tanks health was lowering, it crept behind a mountain, out of reach, repaired itself, or got repaired, then returned to the same ol' same ol'. It was simply taking out people freshly spawning onto the objective, such a cowardly thing to do.

Anywho, nothing our swarms did made any difference at all. This literally went on the the entire match, then finally some troops decided to come in and try to take the objective we were holding at (B). Funnily enough, by the time they attempted to take the objective, the game was over and we had one.

I got virtually no SP and went something like 1 and 4, but it was sure a testament to the tanks OP nature in the current build. Even 4-6 of us heavies + swarms, working in tandem and as a team, with ammo replenishment, could not take out a single tank. Ridiculous. Tank operator went 20-0.

So that said, I am looking forward to this next update, hopefully it balances things out a bit.

Apparently, what I'm reading in this thread, is if you have lots of people who have little to no skill spent in Swarm Launchers that the tanks are near invincible, but if you have a single person who has a decent amount of development in Swarms then tanks go down quickly. You guys have to make up your minds if you're going to try to make a solid argument here.

So all the militia swarm whiners got what they wanted. So sad CCP...

Perhaps if people who actually were any good at AV posted here we wouldn't have situations like this. I foresee this being a huge ongoing issue now that CCP have shown they listen to clueless whiners who refuse to adapt.

There's literally 3 people I know of in the entire player base who actually understand how to kill tanks. That would be the dark cloud, Pessley Mcdoff and his mate Kain.

These 3 guys are about the only people who's views I'd respect on this matter as nobody else was ever smart enough to counter me on foot. I'll also add that 2 of these guys are insane with the old Forge guns, so you've just pretty much killed any tank on the US server buffing them imo.

Are people really that niave that they don't know if I zoom in on them it tells me their loadout?. Seeing a Shock - Heavy is a turkey shoot and the 3 guys I mentioned are the only ones smart enough it seems to make a proper AV spec.

The rest of you deserved to die, horribly.

Time to spec into proto AR's and thukkers I guess. Might as well make you all whine about something else now instead ;). Hell it sounds like RE's are gonna be back in full effect lol.

Forge gun sniping \o/

Also drop ships are never going to be used again

Afterburners/Fusion Accelerators on top of having Flares/Chaff will make them godly. Just watch.

So all the militia swarm whiners got what they wanted. So sad CCP...

Perhaps if people who actually were any good at AV posted here we wouldn't have situations like this. I foresee this being a huge ongoing issue now that CCP have shown they listen to clueless whiners who refuse to adapt.

There's literally 3 people I know of in the entire player base who actually understand how to kill tanks. That would be the dark cloud, Pessley Mcdoff and his mate Kain.

These 3 guys are about the only people who's views I'd respect on this matter as nobody else was ever smart enough to counter me on foot. I'll also add that 2 of these guys are insane with the old Forge guns, so you've just pretty much killed any tank on the US server buffing them imo.

Are people really that niave that they don't know if I zoom in on them it tells me their loadout?. Seeing a Shock - Heavy is a turkey shoot and the 3 guys I mentioned are the only ones smart enough it seems to make a proper AV spec.

The rest of you deserved to die, horribly.

Time to spec into proto AR's and thukkers I guess. Might as well make you all whine about something else now instead ;). Hell it sounds like RE's are gonna be back in full effect lol.

Afterburners/Fusion Accelerators on top of having Flares/Chaff will make them godly. Just watch.

Always the cynic. Seriously - the DEVELOPERS realized there was an error and stated that the resistances were too aggressive. Tanks should be a better hand, not the ace in the hole. They were never intended to be used as one-man killing machines that could just dominate the field and now they're going to be used as a team-support mechanic as they should have been from the get go.

Admittedly, reducing the resistances and turn speed would have been fine on their own. Increasing the damage/range of Forge Guns is nice, and increasing damage on Swarms is nice but all of it together might be a little heavy handed.

In my opinion - it's people like you that are exhausting the hell out of this non-sense. An easier solution would have been to make drivers/gunners separate or even put an ammo capacity on the vehicle's guns (which I still think they need to do because it's stupid having infinite ammunition to begin with) but this back and forth hot-fixing is never going to stop so long as there are people that can't frakking acknowledge that there is a pressing issue.

Defend it as you like but the majority of the player base (including your precious tank drivers) AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPERS have all stated that things were not working as intended. Now you're just a zealous fanatic defending a broken game mechanic because - let's face it - it's the only thing you know how to do in game.

ahh dam tanks for fun to pick on in my dropship now I got to deal with the forge guns again this should be intresting I never really saw the forges with bad range seeing how they had so much range on my dropship now they got more range sheesh if they fix the stability along with this update then I am fine with it but if not then dam this will hurt badly but I always love the challenge of the dropships and pray they haven't fixed the lag issue

Dropships a thing of the past. Lol ccp tell us this is just some ducttape for this build and you got a better for the coming build.
If not then I'm a loosing hope.

Ah well will all work out in the end dropships all stay back in the hangers and at some point ccp will go ow wtf yea we maked dropships 20% weeker and even befor that they got pwnd all the time lolz.


AH well you ask for somthign shouldnt moan when you get it. Still any anything was better than how it was.

There were frequent issues of the Forge Guns being just shy of the range of the dropship at 150+m. Be it lag or something else, often times I'd see the explosion of the round go off in mid-air and cause the Dropship to shift from the impact but no damage would be taken.

There's literally 3 people I know of in the entire player base who actually understand how to kill tanks. That would be the dark cloud, Pessley Mcdoff and his mate Kain.

These 3 guys are about the only people who's views I'd respect on this matter as nobody else was ever smart enough to counter me on foot. I'll also add that 2 of these guys are insane with the old Forge guns, so you've just pretty much killed any tank on the US server buffing them imo.

Are people really that niave that they don't know if I zoom in on them it tells me their loadout?. Seeing a Shock - Heavy is a turkey shoot and the 3 guys I mentioned are the only ones smart enough it seems to make a proper AV spec.

so you took the cowards way out and basicly just said I CAN"T DO IT when I been using a dropship almost every chance I can I don't normally lose it however the recent freezing was getting me killed but before that I did just fine they are not as weak as you think if you asked me they are only as weak as the player using them but thats just my thoughts on it

I predict we'll see plenty of HAV's making heavy use of covering terrain, as there was no speed nerf in the hotfix notes.

LOLZ no I will still be up in my Myyrons and Eryx but for those still learning to fly or thinking of getting into it they gona have a reallly reallly hard time getting the flight school hours in.

You aint seen me fly little buddy its somthign I enjoy more than anything else in this game and this wont stop me.

So you can take ya post and shove it in ya sphincter

Forge gun sniping \o/

Also drop ships are never going to be used again

Now you're just a zealous fanatic defending a broken game mechanic because - let's face it - it's the only thing you know how to do in game.

for the record, I destroyed bad furry's tank about two hours ago. and that's before the nerf.

for the record, I destroyed bad furry's tank about two hours ago. and that's before the nerf.

Liar!, AV is broken beyond use!

Liar!, AV is broken beyond use!

Borgs being sarc... ow nm

I think this whole forum suffers from a bad case of irony deficiency.

Afterburners/Fusion Accelerators on top of having Flares/Chaff will make them godly. Just watch.

So all the militia swarm whiners got what they wanted. So sad CCP...

Perhaps if people who actually were any good at AV posted here we wouldn't have situations like this. I foresee this being a huge ongoing issue now that CCP have shown they listen to clueless whiners who refuse to adapt.

There's literally 3 people I know of in the entire player base who actually understand how to kill tanks. That would be the dark cloud, Pessley Mcdoff and his mate Kain.

These 3 guys are about the only people who's views I'd respect on this matter as nobody else was ever smart enough to counter me on foot. I'll also add that 2 of these guys are insane with the old Forge guns, so you've just pretty much killed any tank on the US server buffing them imo.

Are people really that niave that they don't know if I zoom in on them it tells me their loadout?. Seeing a Shock - Heavy is a turkey shoot and the 3 guys I mentioned are the only ones smart enough it seems to make a proper AV spec.

The rest of you deserved to die, horribly.

Time to spec into proto AR's and thukkers I guess. Might as well make you all whine about something else now instead ;). Hell it sounds like RE's are gonna be back in full effect lol.

i told you to enjoy that tank nerf didn't i? of course you don't wanna take responsibility in this whole thing, nah? when you and your buddies camp spawns after taking the three points and have 5 tanks camping the respawn, without anyone of us being able to do something about you will still say "train your AV skills"? your tanks were OP, just accept that fact that one guy in armor could change the balance without needing much skill (look at me i'm rolling with my tank in your base) and Reward/Risk was very poor because nothing can kill you, so now you will have to do like the rest of us AV people and DEAL WITH IT

Another whiner claiming tanks were unkillable before. Wheres the proof?

Another whiner claiming tanks were unkillable before. Wheres the proof?

Well day one with the tank nerf and honestly I had some of the most fun if had in a while nit getting blasted form across the map. I even saw some great team work taking shape on the field by infantry. Tanks were still out in mass and doc holiday and I did get one with our forge guns but I think he was asleep at the wheel.

All in all I think once the tank drivers adjust to the new build they will enjoy it too.

I mean who really thinks going 40+0 every game is that much fun.

I saw some of the good tank drivers already adapting and making loops around the map at a nice clip and still ending the batlle with decent numbers and there tank intact.

The good will survive! the one hit I win button pushers will complain. And move onto the next easy kill mode,

Not sure if anyone noticed this build but most of the top tank drives were the RE exploiters of the last build?

I predict we'll see plenty of HAV's making heavy use of covering terrain, as there was no speed nerf in the hotfix notes.