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xAckie
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.09.14 10:23:00 -
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Genuine question: wasn't the AV grenades nerfed? and if so why are they not put back? Does anyone know CCP's thinking? To me its the one av weapon infantry can carry without compromising their basic assault class. Swarms mean a side arm etc.
otherwise we have 4 tanks v 3 forge gunners and 6 swarmers etc and no infantry. (And proto AV grenades are 2m SP to spec into - half the cost of Swarms)
tyas: lots have us played full AV and agree with the nerf. I am hopeful about the reduced splash and would personally like to see some reduction in accuracy. |
Encharrion
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
104
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Posted - 2012.09.14 10:26:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote:Forge gun sniping \o/
Also drop ships are never going to be used again Afterburners/Fusion Accelerators on top of having Flares/Chaff will make them godly. Just watch.
Well, maybe dropships will survive the nerf with those changes. But LAVs will still be ******. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.09.14 10:26:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Tyas Borg wrote:So all the militia swarm whiners got what they wanted. So sad CCP...
Perhaps if people who actually were any good at AV posted here we wouldn't have situations like this. I foresee this being a huge ongoing issue now that CCP have shown they listen to clueless whiners who refuse to adapt.
There's literally 3 people I know of in the entire player base who actually understand how to kill tanks. That would be the dark cloud, Pessley Mcdoff and his mate Kain.
These 3 guys are about the only people who's views I'd respect on this matter as nobody else was ever smart enough to counter me on foot. I'll also add that 2 of these guys are insane with the old Forge guns, so you've just pretty much killed any tank on the US server buffing them imo.
Are people really that niave that they don't know if I zoom in on them it tells me their loadout?. Seeing a Shock - Heavy is a turkey shoot and the 3 guys I mentioned are the only ones smart enough it seems to make a proper AV spec.
The rest of you deserved to die, horribly.
Time to spec into proto AR's and thukkers I guess. Might as well make you all whine about something else now instead ;). Hell it sounds like RE's are gonna be back in full effect lol. Always the cynic. Seriously - the DEVELOPERS realized there was an error and stated that the resistances were too aggressive. Tanks should be a better hand, not the ace in the hole. They were never intended to be used as one-man killing machines that could just dominate the field and now they're going to be used as a team-support mechanic as they should have been from the get go. Admittedly, reducing the resistances and turn speed would have been fine on their own. Increasing the damage/range of Forge Guns is nice, and increasing damage on Swarms is nice but all of it together might be a little heavy handed. In my opinion - it's people like you that are exhausting the hell out of this non-sense. An easier solution would have been to make drivers/gunners separate or even put an ammo capacity on the vehicle's guns (which I still think they need to do because it's stupid having infinite ammunition to begin with) but this back and forth hot-fixing is never going to stop so long as there are people that can't frakking acknowledge that there is a pressing issue. Defend it as you like but the majority of the player base (including your precious tank drivers) AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPERS have all stated that things were not working as intended. Now you're just a zealous fanatic defending a broken game mechanic because - let's face it - it's the only thing you know how to do in game.
If you think Borg cant fight outside of a tank well your wrong. Tho rest of your post Aeon Amadi I think I'm 100% behind. |
Tailss Prower
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
26
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Posted - 2012.09.14 10:27:00 -
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ahh dam tanks were fun to pick on in my dropship now I got to deal with the forge guns again this should be intresting I never really saw the forges with bad range seeing how they had so much range on my dropship now they got more range sheesh if they fix the stability along with this update then I am fine with it but if not then dam this will hurt badly but I always love the challenge of the dropships and pray they haven't fixed the lag issue |
Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
1003
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Posted - 2012.09.14 10:29:00 -
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Tailss Prower wrote:ahh dam tanks for fun to pick on in my dropship now I got to deal with the forge guns again this should be intresting I never really saw the forges with bad range seeing how they had so much range on my dropship now they got more range sheesh if they fix the stability along with this update then I am fine with it but if not then dam this will hurt badly but I always love the challenge of the dropships and pray they haven't fixed the lag issue
There were frequent issues of the Forge Guns being just shy of the range of the dropship at 150+m. Be it lag or something else, often times I'd see the explosion of the round go off in mid-air and cause the Dropship to shift from the impact but no damage would be taken. |
Tailss Prower
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
26
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Posted - 2012.09.14 10:33:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Dropships a thing of the past. Lol ccp tell us this is just some ducttape for this build and you got a better for the coming build. If not then I'm a loosing hope.
Ah well will all work out in the end dropships all stay back in the hangers and at some point ccp will go ow wtf yea we maked dropships 20% weeker and even befor that they got pwnd all the time lolz.
AH well you ask for somthign shouldnt moan when you get it. Still any anything was better than how it was.
so you took the cowards way out and basicly just said I CAN"T DO IT when I been using a dropship almost every chance I can I don't normally lose it however the recent freezing was getting me killed but before that I did just fine they are not as weak as you think if you asked me they are only as weak as the player using them but thats just my thoughts on it |
Tailss Prower
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
26
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Posted - 2012.09.14 10:35:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Tailss Prower wrote:ahh dam tanks for fun to pick on in my dropship now I got to deal with the forge guns again this should be intresting I never really saw the forges with bad range seeing how they had so much range on my dropship now they got more range sheesh if they fix the stability along with this update then I am fine with it but if not then dam this will hurt badly but I always love the challenge of the dropships and pray they haven't fixed the lag issue There were frequent issues of the Forge Guns being just shy of the range of the dropship at 150+m. Be it lag or something else, often times I'd see the explosion of the round go off in mid-air and cause the Dropship to shift from the impact but no damage would be taken.
that is true but on some maps I saw a guy hitting me I swore to god was at b and I was at c not sure what was going on but it sucks knowing they got more range as long as thier is a limit to the range I don't mind I like the changes just was thinking how much of a challenge it will be now and I can see almost all of them gonna use forges now if any thing I think the aim should be lowered but either way I can deal with it |
Needless Sacermendor
98
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Posted - 2012.09.14 10:37:00 -
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Tyas Borg wrote:There's literally 3 people I know of in the entire player base who actually understand how to kill tanks. That would be the dark cloud, Pessley Mcdoff and his mate Kain.
These 3 guys are about the only people who's views I'd respect on this matter as nobody else was ever smart enough to counter me on foot. I'll also add that 2 of these guys are insane with the old Forge guns, so you've just pretty much killed any tank on the US server buffing them imo.
Are people really that niave that they don't know if I zoom in on them it tells me their loadout?. Seeing a Shock - Heavy is a turkey shoot and the 3 guys I mentioned are the only ones smart enough it seems to make a proper AV spec. You forgot one ... <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Lol, don't see you too often but when I do, I get you on the move ... had you pretty close a couple of times but not managed to finish you off ... yet !
I do think they may have gone a little too far back the other way ... this is how balancing works though ... you don't just add more weight to one side and then it's perfect ... you add some and see if it was too much or not enough ... seeing as the HAV specced players have had the advantage until now it's only fair they tip it slightly the other way then see how much needs taking back to find the equilibrium. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.09.14 10:38:00 -
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Tailss Prower wrote:Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Dropships a thing of the past. Lol ccp tell us this is just some ducttape for this build and you got a better for the coming build. If not then I'm a loosing hope.
Ah well will all work out in the end dropships all stay back in the hangers and at some point ccp will go ow wtf yea we maked dropships 20% weeker and even befor that they got pwnd all the time lolz.
AH well you ask for somthign shouldnt moan when you get it. Still any anything was better than how it was. so you took the cowards way out and basicly just said I CAN"T DO IT when I been using a dropship almost every chance I can I don't normally lose it however the recent freezing was getting me killed but before that I did just fine they are not as weak as you think if you asked me they are only as weak as the player using them but thats just my thoughts on it
LOLZ no I will still be up in my Myyrons and Eryx but for those still learning to fly or thinking of getting into it they gona have a reallly reallly hard time getting the flight school hours in.
You aint seen me fly little buddy its somthign I enjoy more than anything else in this game and this wont stop me.
So you can take ya post and shove it in ya sphincter |
LL Machinesson
What The French
3
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Posted - 2012.09.14 10:50:00 -
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Renato Crusher wrote:I predict we'll see plenty of HAV's making heavy use of covering terrain, as there was no speed nerf in the hotfix notes.
Me and my dear Forge Gun, we use both the terrain, it's not a problem. |
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Tailss Prower
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
26
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Posted - 2012.09.14 10:55:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Tailss Prower wrote:Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Dropships a thing of the past. Lol ccp tell us this is just some ducttape for this build and you got a better for the coming build. If not then I'm a loosing hope.
Ah well will all work out in the end dropships all stay back in the hangers and at some point ccp will go ow wtf yea we maked dropships 20% weeker and even befor that they got pwnd all the time lolz.
AH well you ask for somthign shouldnt moan when you get it. Still any anything was better than how it was. so you took the cowards way out and basicly just said I CAN"T DO IT when I been using a dropship almost every chance I can I don't normally lose it however the recent freezing was getting me killed but before that I did just fine they are not as weak as you think if you asked me they are only as weak as the player using them but thats just my thoughts on it LOLZ no I will still be up in my Myyrons and Eryx but for those still learning to fly or thinking of getting into it they gona have a reallly reallly hard time getting the flight school hours in. You aint seen me fly little buddy its somthign I enjoy more than anything else in this game and this wont stop me. So you can take ya post and shove it in ya sphincter
buddy as you seem to be calling me I ain't seen ANYONE flying a rare 1 or 2 and can't last hell I even to this day feel like I am the only one who can fly a dropship I know there are others out there but never see them and I wasn't insulting you I was simply pointing out they are not by any means weak and I learned that quick when I was outrunning a enemy teams swarms so I was just pointing it out thats all if I insulted you then i'm sorry but it was only mean't to say HEY they are not weak so get the **** back in it |
Wolf Ritter vonKaldari
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
97
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Posted - 2012.09.14 10:56:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:Forge gun sniping \o/
Also drop ships are never going to be used again Eh, I don't think helicopter analogues should be able to tank hits from AV weapons in the first place, so meh. |
miahus
CrimeWave Syndicate
78
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Posted - 2012.09.14 11:01:00 -
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for the record, I destroyed bad furry's tank about two hours ago. and that's before the nerf. |
Kurumu Kuruno
6
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Posted - 2012.09.14 11:02:00 -
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As a HAV driver from the very beggining i have complex feelings.
First one: I want to shout on each corner that even lame merc can now kill my Surya with his Swarm just running after me (but this is emotions)
Second one: I will bear all this nevrs and the efficiency decrease of armor resistance too if you dear infantry as CCP said will aid HAV in their mission. By this i mean that you shouldn't leave the gunner place as soon as first rocket hits the tank cause you leaving driver less chances to survive. And have some will - choose targets yourself, scan the area not just wait for driver to turn main turret to point you enemy out (some gunners are good but most just lazy to scan the area)
Third one: I will bear this nevrs and upcoming (if there will be - hope not) if you will bring cost of the tanks back to previous. Okey i will agree that maybe 200K ISK is not that much for Surya but 1.2M ISK is too expensive. I don't want to lose my Surya for 1.8M ISK each (fully upgraded now) to 3-4 lame swarm launchers just because they got damage increase.
Hope it doesn`t sound to harsh (you know emotions and all)... |
Tyas Borg
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
112
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Posted - 2012.09.14 11:08:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Now you're just a zealous fanatic defending a broken game mechanic because - let's face it - it's the only thing you know how to do in game.
Just because I'm pretty damn good in a tank doesn't mean that it's the only thing I know. I've kicked your arse in every way I play tbh.
There's a lot of people who would testify for me being more than capable outside a tank.
I'd go one step further and say it's people like you who whine about something that kills you, with no actual evidence from both sides of the argument.
I play both AV and tanks. I also do grunt work when it's needed. I know what all roles are like and how they function, so I'm pretty damn sure I know what I'm talking about.
This nerf is just a cheap and easy way to "try" and fix the situation, but it won't. What we'll see is dropship pilots and LAV's whining that they can't do anything and all the kiddies with their militia swarms laughing their heads off.
There was tonnes of things they could've done and have been suggested. Yet it's "Buff this and nerf that" essentially breaking it more instead of addressing the problem.
The forge gun was pretty damn OP last build, the only thing that saved you was the fact it was a small map with tonnes of cover. This build is mainly massive open maps, so they've effectively buffed AV to the point where we'll be seeing little vehicles even in skirmish.
With the current maps a forge gun user will probably sniping enemy RDV's from the start of the match... |
Gyrnius
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
65
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Posted - 2012.09.14 11:08:00 -
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Thank god. This ridiculous tank orgy called "Precursor" was terrible to begin with - nerfing the AV made it worse. All of you stinking invulnitank pansies knew this was coming and you just kept milking it.
<-- dedicated forge gunner, even when they sucked lol |
Tailss Prower
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
26
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Posted - 2012.09.14 11:09:00 -
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miahus wrote:for the record, I destroyed bad furry's tank about two hours ago. and that's before the nerf.
so did I like maybe 1-2 weeks ago in a dropship he ran and tried to hide like coward but it didn't work in that hiding spot LOL |
Tyas Borg
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
112
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Posted - 2012.09.14 11:11:00 -
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miahus wrote:for the record, I destroyed bad furry's tank about two hours ago. and that's before the nerf.
Liar!, AV is broken beyond use! |
Tailss Prower
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
26
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Posted - 2012.09.14 11:13:00 -
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Tyas Borg wrote:miahus wrote:for the record, I destroyed bad furry's tank about two hours ago. and that's before the nerf. Liar!, AV is broken beyond use!
then you don't know what the hell your doing I've seen many AV people tear through tanks as strong or almost as strong as bad furrys tank |
miahus
CrimeWave Syndicate
78
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Posted - 2012.09.14 11:19:00 -
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Tyas Borg wrote:miahus wrote:for the record, I destroyed bad furry's tank about two hours ago. and that's before the nerf. Liar!, AV is broken beyond use! try a prototype swarm launcher with 2 complex light weapon modifiers along 2 squadmates also running prototype swarms. It was the 3 letters skirmish. he was just running around the building at B killing our team, and we gang swarmed him. I was the luckiest among my squad to get the kill, as we were swarming him simultaneously , they got the assist though. You have no right to call me a liar, but I forgive you given how tough his tank is. You can check with him, madd mudd, or deejae they will confirm my story. |
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Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.09.14 11:29:00 -
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Borgs being sarc... ow nm
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D'Finn Rhedlyne
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
266
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Posted - 2012.09.14 11:39:00 -
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Gonna be an interesting afternoon/evening/night/early morning for the tank drivers and AV guys.
Still gonna runaway from certain tank drivers tho!
You know who you are! |
Gauder Berwyck
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
217
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Posted - 2012.09.14 11:42:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Borgs being sarc... ow nm
I think this whole forum suffers from a bad case of irony deficiency. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.09.14 11:43:00 -
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Gauder Berwyck wrote:Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Borgs being sarc... ow nm
I think this whole forum suffers from a bad case of irony deficiency.
I had not noticed |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2283
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Posted - 2012.09.14 11:48:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote:Forge gun sniping \o/
Also drop ships are never going to be used again Afterburners/Fusion Accelerators on top of having Flares/Chaff will make them godly. Just watch.
do we have those in yet? no? ok expect 1000 threads on how dropships are now useless
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Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.09.14 11:55:00 -
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they are going to be vvvv hard to use now but yesterday I would not say my dropship was useless. Today well I guess im gona die ALOT. |
Kaeralli Sturmovos
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
117
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Posted - 2012.09.14 11:58:00 -
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so how many ppl will plummet off the leaderboards after this patch?
there will be alot of rehabilitation to get those legs and arms moving again :) |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.09.14 12:02:00 -
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Well I know of a few tankys who we might wish were back in a tank but hey we will see wont we |
Needless Sacermendor
98
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Posted - 2012.09.14 12:07:00 -
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With the de-nerf of swarm damage the dropships could become easy pray ... some kind of chaff and a slight shield buff for the forge attacks could be required we'll have to see how it pans out, let's all just give it a good weekend's testing and see how it goes.
Someone said you won't see hardly any vehicles on the field now ... well that's how it should be ... vehicles should be a tool to be brought in for a purpose like moving people from A to B in a LAV or dropship or breaking through a strong defence to allow the infantry to assault, I'm all for being able to retrieve a vehicle back to the MCC once it's served it's purpose, though it should require a long wait for the RDV and maybe some smoke flares giving away its position requiring a good infantry defence while it's waiting to be recalled. |
Whispercrow
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
102
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Posted - 2012.09.14 12:21:00 -
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Looking at the changes, can't see much that's going to change my tanking time.
Reduced armor and damage control %'s? Pssssh. I've been sacrificing my leftover Somas since I discovered Shield/Speed tanking be the way to go. (PS: Don't you guys know it's really the shield tanks that are the problem, and not just because of the booster?)
There are damage mod bonuses for tanks? Oh, that's right, my game crashes every time I TRY to learn the Turret Upgrades skill anyway. No loss here.
Turn rate of turrets being reduced hurts, it really does. But, two things. One, the reason for this is because of the new turret speed increase modules being added soon, if that post with all the 'new stuff' is accurate. OK. Two, experienced tankers learn to use both the turning of their vehicle and the turret to aim faster. So unless maneuverability is nerfed, not really worried. But, you know, slowing down the turn of the Railgun turret? Yesssssss. That's only going to really affect Tank VS Tank fights. And as I generally go with a light, shielded speedy tank, that just makes my job easier.
Reduced splash damage on the rockets... alright, that's fine. For killing infantry, they are far and away the most effective one, and this is kinda necessary. Depending on how much it's reduced will determine whether I migrate from fast missiles to fast refire rate.
Swarm buffs? Excellent. I usually outrun or trick those into hitting terrain, but maybe this will mean fewer of those pesky drops pooping rockets on me like the pigeons they are.
Forge buffs? I WOULD complain, but it's been needing this for awhile so it can be a viable cannon for Heavies to obliterate vehicles AND infantry with. I'm totally OK with them being 'mid-range snipers', as it were. There's only two types of Forge gunners anyway, the kind that stand in the middle of nowhere and get shot/flattened, and the kind which find a perch with cover and cornhole me from a range. I lost 3 Militia tanks to the latter kind before I learned the signs and taught myself to get out of dodge and avoid them. But now? Now maybe we'll see small squads with 2 or more heavies 'leapfrogging' across terrain blowing up people and vehicles. I'm cool with that.
Reduced remote explosives detonation time? Yes, please! Now they will be useful in a far greater variety of situations! Maybe I'm a noob, but I've yet to be killed by them, in tank or on foot.
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