title says it all.

swarms went from 350 dmg per missile to 250. a loss of 400 to 600 damage varying by tier.

forge guns were also nerfed across the board. in DIRECT damage.

BAFFLING! good for me i speced into tanks like 2 days ago.

thanks CCP... i guess?

Swarms were probably nerfed because they were too powerful against dropships. I'm certainly excited to have my dropship last a little longer in the sky.

AV grenades were one or two-shotting extremely expensive LAVs. Kinda imba, that.

Forge guns lost range because they were being used to gank infantry. Not sure about the damage thing. Maybe they were being used on LAVs and dropships a lot, too? I never had one used on my dropship, but I've lost militia LAVs to them.

Tank driving requires a large amount of skill, concentration, and teamwork. AV is just an I win button. CCP wanted to help even the playing field out is all.

I agree that the AV grenade should not be a one-off weapon; however, the extent to which the swarm launchers and the forge guns have been nerfed is terrible. There is no reason the only forge that can take out a militia starter LAV is a prototype one, and a dropship or Marauder? You might as well forget about it because I have had a couple matches today where over 6 people were firing swarms and forge guns at a dropship the entire match and we never broke its shields.

i think i found the solution! entire game just got kicked, and i lost my tank.

this game is utterly ******

i think i found the solution! entire game just got kicked, and i lost my tank.

this game is utterly ******

Swarms were probably nerfed because they were too powerful against dropships.

I just can't believe swarms are considered overpowered in any aspect whatsoever, and that's before todays hotfix.


As people learn to fly dropships, they're gonna find they're more than capable to outwit these dumb swarms. We're already seeing competent dropship pilots outrun multiple swarm volleys until they peter out. And It's not like you can inject skill into the actual operation of a swarm launcher other than a clear line of sight/considerations into elevation, lay of land etc which is just obvious. Doesn't seem to help however

So once again the tank drivers....who have only been barely nerfed, if you can consider it that are sticking up for CCP's action.

IS the E-war in the game yet. NO, then the game is broken anytime someone calls in a advanced or prototype vehicle.

DID AV grenades or swarms get more ammo? Did the tanks lose their infinite ammo?

Did they lower the cost of my dropsuits, which now that it takes me 15+ suits to destroy a tank equals that my suits cost more than said tank by a wide margin.

And someone tell me why flux grenades don't lock on to tanks like full AV grenades?

WHO has no HONOR in this one CCP?

The only thing that would make this better would be the IN-valid glitch still breaking up groups that could field a defense for the super tank.

your naive for stereotyping me like that. i know how av works, use them, and understand your complaints.

based on your reactions to my post, i only have one thing to say:

sack up.

What I don't get is that...nobody was complaining about anti-vehicle efficacy. In fact, quite the opposite. Anti-vehicle weapons still seem really underpowered. The Forge Gun was definitely hit too hard, probably at the insistence of a few community members who were crying delicious tears about Forge Gunners "sniping". If anything, the Forge Gun needed to lose damage versus infantry and keep its range for anit-vehicle. As it is right now, I have no idea why I'd bother to take it over a Swarm Launcher. Then CCP preempts the thought that I might start taking a Swarm Launcher as my anti-vehicle and nerfs that as well?


The word "temporary" is in bold on the post regarding the AV nerfs. We as a community should demand a reason. If it's not good enough, this change should be reverted There is literally no conceivable logic that can justify what was done to Forge Guns and Swarm Launchers to my mind, but I'm open to hearing something, anything that could sway my mind.

Unilateral changes without giving a proper reason are nothing short of ridiculous in game balancing. If it isn't broken, pray tell why you're "fixing" it?

your naive for stereotyping me like that. i know how av works, use them, and understand your complaints.

based on your reactions to my post, i only have one thing to say:

sack up.

First up, it wasn't directed at you or I would have quoted your statement. It was directed at the entire tank using population, & ccp no one player was singled out. Simply put you were the poster above mine, blame ccp's also stellar forums for not knowing who I was replying to.

Now I will respond to you, consequences be damned, seems like I hit a nerve, how about you stop and think a minute before you post, now we have tangled about the tank issue in the past, maybe that has played a role in you jumping to the conclusion that it was directed at you, but as with everything else on this forum I pay little heed to it, and FYI when i started typing your little rebuttal or rebuke to those voiceing a valid gripe against tanks was not even on my screen yet.

To quote one of those lovely little snide comments everyone seems to enjoy: "I hope your suits go invalid"

A dropship can sometimes outrun swarms, but a few of those and all you can do all match is fly around at full speed dodging swarms. Total contribution to the fight: 0. That's why dropships needed survivability vs swarms, so they'd have some ability to fight back.

What I don't get is that...nobody was complaining about anti-vehicle efficacy. In fact, quite the opposite. Anti-vehicle weapons still seem really underpowered. The Forge Gun was definitely hit too hard, probably at the insistence of a few community members who were crying delicious tears about Forge Gunners "sniping". If anything, the Forge Gun needed to lose damage versus infantry and keep its range for anit-vehicle. As it is right now, I have no idea why I'd bother to take it over a Swarm Launcher. Then CCP preempts the thought that I might start taking a Swarm Launcher as my anti-vehicle and nerfs that as well?


The word "temporary" is in bold on the post regarding the AV nerfs. We as a community should demand a reason. If it's not good enough, this change should be reverted There is literally no conceivable logic that can justify what was done to Forge Guns and Swarm Launchers to my mind, but I'm open to hearing something, anything that could sway my mind.

Unilateral changes without giving a proper reason are nothing short of ridiculous in game balancing. If it isn't broken, pray tell why you're "fixing" it?

Again people, please, the nerf to AV weapons are only temporary. Please refer to this thread and be civil for the time being, alright?: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=282524#post282524

A dropship can sometimes outrun swarms, but a few of those and all you can do all match is fly around at full speed dodging swarms. Total contribution to the fight: 0. That's why dropships needed survivability vs swarms, so they'd have some ability to fight back.

First up, it wasn't directed at you or I would have quoted your statement. It was directed at the entire tank using population, & ccp no one player was singled out. Simply put you were the poster above mine, blame ccp's also stellar forums for not knowing who I was replying to.

Now I will respond to you, consequences be damned, seems like I hit a nerve, how about you stop and think a minute before you post, now we have tangled about the tank issue in the past, maybe that has played a role in you jumping to the conclusion that it was directed at you, but as with everything else on this forum I pay little heed to it, and FYI when i started typing your little rebuttal or rebuke to those voiceing a valid gripe against tanks was not even on my screen yet.

To quote one of those lovely little snide comments everyone seems to enjoy: "I hope your suits go invalid"

The long time beta players who train for HAV every build probably cried to the devs on IRC that they need AV nerfed for these corp battles or else they would surely lose too many tanks and end up having no money by the time tomorrows corp battles start.

So to fix that and take care of their buddies the devs went ahead and nerfed AV for the weekend.

You know how people always say the CSM is mostly nullsec "special interests" and the majority rarely benefit? Its kinda like that.

tank weak spots = handouts to AV guys


baffles me how no one tries to use them...

tank weak spots = handouts to AV guys


baffles me how no one tries to use them...

tank weak spots = handouts to AV guys


baffles me how no one tries to use them...

hint: my tanks weakspot has 2 biohazard symbols on it....ACTUALLY

all of them you have posted on dust fiend.....

I'm a tank driver (recently got a really well outfitted Gunnlogi) and i haven't had problems with AV people other than getting:
1) spammed by AV nades by a guy behind cover with a nanohive
2) The whole enemy team switching to swarm launchers and forge guns
3) FREAKING LAGGY FORGEGUNNER WITH A GRIMLOCK YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!!!!!

Sorry about the last one, that was just annoying circumstance.
But it takes lot of coordination to take down a tank unless you have a better tank. Quite easy if you have mics, but sadly, most players don't so tanks still swing battles. Unless you have two competent swarm launcher people on your team who are constantly resupplied. Or a forgunner with cover and a logi to repair. Tanks are fairly easy to repulse if you know what you're doing. Take it from a tank driver, i have games where i spend more time running than i do killing, could easily overpower tanks if you laid a trap at a choke point. Most people don't have the patience or coordination to do it but its quite effective.

OK I WILL AIM FUR DEM WIT MAI SWARM LAUNCHERS - OH WAIT....

A dropship can sometimes outrun swarms, but a few of those and all you can do all match is fly around at full speed dodging swarms. Total contribution to the fight: 0. That's why dropships needed survivability vs swarms, so they'd have some ability to fight back.

not worth my time to argue here. saying it wasnt directed at me directly after my post and then saying it was aimed at a group i am in......shenanigans. no nerves hit here

not worth my time to argue here. saying it wasnt directed at me directly after my post and then saying it was aimed at a group i am in......shenanigans. no nerves hit here

Tank driving requires a large amount of skill, concentration, and teamwork. AV is just an I win button. CCP wanted to help even the playing field out is all.

hint: my tanks weakspot has 2 biohazard symbols on it....ACTUALLY