There are some similarities in playstyle to TF2.
The whole rock/paper/scissors game of scout/heavy/sniper and so forth.
Might be worth marketing in that direction a bit.

This game isn't going to be "for" everyone, we know that. But what's there already is deep and rewarding. We'll see.

Dust isn't COD competitor - it's an alternative.
So this game's audience isn't targeted at casual COD teenagers.
This game is for people who wants to shoot people in face, but don't want to play casual games like COD

Problem solved

Actually we don't have a true rock/paper/scissor system.
What we have is a mountain/paper/scissor system.
Statistical advantages/disadvantages are in place and they are impacting heavily on the game BUT a FPS that relies on stats is bad, very bad, because FPS relies almost entirely on player's skills.

Also negative feedback is coming for many reasons, and rightfully so.

Gamepaly in Dust is not on par any FPS on PS3 and despite our constant critics CCP has shown no interest in changing it as we suggested.

COD, BF, KZ Halo are better FPS and if Dust 514 wants to succeed it has to at leas match them because nobody will play a mediocre FPS, even if it is free.
Better spend time and money on a solid product that waste time on a mediocre one.

I met a EVE players that said to me " EVE is simple, it's just that its UI is a mess".

Dust just like EVE indeed has a terrible UI and it's not a complicated game; as a Physicist would say "Dust is not very elegant".
Simplicity doesn't mean stupidity, here people instead think: complexity = clever, simple = stupid.
As Shakespeare said "Brevity is the souls of the wit" and Dust is unnecessary long.
Accessibility is important in any VG but here people think that putting a wall of inaccessibly in front of Dust is going to help and that it's making it better.

Dust is not a true sandbox MMO, and it's evident if you are in the beta, but still for the rest of the world it's advertised as such.

People come here expecting total freedom like in any MMO but instead get red unsafe zones/invisible walls & matchmaking just like in any FPS.
They rightfully feel disappointed/deceived.

Frankly I see on the forums way too many people here defending Dust from any sort of negative feedback, just because it's negative, without thinking that those feedback have a reason to exist.
Dust is getting negative publicity, from reviews and players alike, because there's indeed something wrong in Dust BUT here fanboys don't want to see it.
Negative feedback are essential to make e game better, to correct its mistakes, but here they are always censored/buried.
I understand the desire to see Dust succeed but protecting it from everything you don't like isn't helping.
This kind of behavior has made Dust 514 the unappealing game it is now.

[8/27/2012 9:49:33 PM] [REDACTED]: As a hardcore congamer i can tell you this would have been better off on PC
[8/27/2012 9:50:17 PM] [REDACTED]: We're just too diffrent from you PC gamers, completely diffrent mindset on whats good
.

Guys when Dust starts there will be:

PVE (drone regions or/and probably wormhole exploration)- for those who likes some kinde of mobs or lone wolf play

PVP in high sec space / low sec space (factional warfare) for guys who wan't a pvp with meaning but not to deep ;)

PVP in null sec. Some kind of deepest gameplay for hadcore gamers. Close integration to EVE players

PVP like today in beta but with more customization /game mods / maps for casual players.

Some big events in EVE/DUST engaging a lot of players

IT'S FREE :)

Explain me how this model could fail? Ofcourse when all technical stuff will work well not like today.

Friend of mine got on Skype today and talked to me about his experience with the Beta.

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I find myself fearing that this will be a somewhat common opinion on this game as a whole if more people continue to be exposed to it in this form, as its hard for the uninitiated to tell it apart from any other shooter except for what seems like an excessive level of complexity.

Why the hell does everyone around here say cod is for casual players?

Actual numbers to show how ignorant you all are.

Black ops statistics from June 2012. 2 years after release are:

35 billion headshots and counting,nine trillion shots fired and counting,300 billion minutes played and counting...three hundred billion minutes equals 570,397 years.

Nearly half a million years of person-hour spent on a 'casual' game.

If your friend does not want to reroll characters and do it again without all the errors that is his problem.

I screwed up last build so bad. This build fresh start with an idea of what's good and things are going much better.

Please just stop with the cod crap though. Makes you all look stupid.

Have you flown a dropship up a few kilometers? If you think this game is going to be limited to 15m 12v12 matches, you are dead wrong. The physical stage is clearly set for kilometers of combat flowing from one zone into another. The game mechanics are under wraps, but I think we're going to get a lot closer to a planetside 2 scale than people realize, albeit not as dense for performance reasons.

I don't like it that this game for me to play it with a keyboard to stand a fair chance against other players who used keyboard.
Personally, i don't play this game any longer, just watching the beta forum now and then.
Don't get my wrong, i like the deep and hardcore idea of this game, but I'm a console gamer, and as a console gamer i like sitting in my easy chair drinking coffee or beer (depending on time and weekend day)and playing it with a game-pad. I Did try this new build of Dust and i was shocked of how much i suck at it, and i play a fuckload of first person shooters on the console, so my aim is very very well with the pad. I use to win every 2nd "duel" in gun play and now its may be ever 5th.

Please spare me the "this is not CoD bla bla, use a vehicle bla bla, ltp bla bla" i know what i want, and i want it to be fair.
And for a game to be fair, every one needs to have a initial situation, all pay with pad, or all play with keyboard.

Actually we don't have a true rock/paper/scissor system.
What we have is a mountain/paper/scissor system.
Statistical advantages/disadvantages are in place and they are impacting heavily on the game BUT a FPS that relies on stats is bad, very bad, because FPS relies almost entirely on player's skills.

Also negative feedback is coming for many reasons, and rightfully so.

Gamepaly in Dust is not on par any FPS on PS3 and despite our constant critics CCP has shown no interest in changing it as we suggested.

COD, BF, KZ Halo are better FPS and if Dust 514 wants to succeed it has to at leas match them because nobody will play a mediocre FPS, even if it is free.
Better spend time and money on a solid product that waste time on a mediocre one.

I met a EVE players that said to me " EVE is simple, it's just that its UI is a mess".

Dust just like EVE indeed has a terrible UI and it's not a complicated game; as a Physicist would say "Dust is not very elegant".
Simplicity doesn't mean stupidity, here people instead think: complexity = clever, simple = stupid.
As Shakespeare said "Brevity is the souls of the wit" and Dust is unnecessary long.
Accessibility is important in any VG but here people think that putting a wall of inaccessibly in front of Dust is going to help and that it's making it better.

Dust is not a true sandbox MMO, and it's evident if you are in the beta, but still for the rest of the world it's advertised as such.

People come here expecting total freedom like in any MMO but instead get red unsafe zones/invisible walls & matchmaking just like in any FPS.
They rightfully feel disappointed/deceived.

Frankly I see on the forums way too many people here defending Dust from any sort of negative feedback, just because it's negative, without thinking that those feedback have a reason to exist.
Dust is getting negative publicity, from reviews and players alike, because there's indeed something wrong in Dust BUT here fanboys don't want to see it.
Negative feedback are essential to make e game better, to correct its mistakes, but here they are always censored/buried.
I understand the desire to see Dust succeed but protecting it from everything you don't like isn't helping.
This kind of behavior has made Dust 514 the unappealing game it is now.

you know it could just be that players who never used a controller before used to be easy for you, but now after some weeks of play they (we) are getting better at using them, and you are just not as great as you thought you were ?

I don't like it that this game for me to play it with a keyboard to stand a fair chance against other players who used keyboard.
Personally, i don't play this game any longer, just watching the beta forum now and then.
Don't get my wrong, i like the deep and hardcore idea of this game, but I'm a console gamer, and as a console gamer i like sitting in my easy chair drinking coffee or beer (depending on time and weekend day)and playing it with a game-pad. I Did try this new build of Dust and i was shocked of how much i suck at it, and i play a fuckload of first person shooters on the console, so my aim is very very well with the pad. I use to win every 2nd "duel" in gun play and now its may be ever 5th.

Please spare me the "this is not CoD bla bla, use a vehicle bla bla, ltp bla bla" i know what i want, and i want it to be fair.
And for a game to be fair, every one needs to have a initial situation, all pay with pad, or all play with keyboard.

I use a red DS3 with orb extended triggers and analogue rubber grips. No turbo triggers and zero dropshot buttons.

That is a standard DS3 controller except for colour and orb add-on.

Have not used a mouse and keyboard to game in over 3 years. I way prefer the comfort of my lounge suit than my office chair.

I have platted more than 20 games ranging from 3ps,fps,rpg,racing and even an old genisis arcade simulator. I have platted vanquish also which has a difficulty rating of 9.9 I think.

Maybe I'm slightly more used to the DS3 controller than others. Have not even noticed in game if someone is using a keyboard and mouse yet.

Actually we don't have a true rock/paper/scissor system.
What we have is a mountain/paper/scissor system.
Statistical advantages/disadvantages are in place and they are impacting heavily on the game BUT a FPS that relies on stats is bad, very bad, because FPS relies almost entirely on player's skills.

Also negative feedback is coming for many reasons, and rightfully so.

Gamepaly in Dust is not on par any FPS on PS3 and despite our constant critics CCP has shown no interest in changing it as we suggested.

COD, BF, KZ Halo are better FPS and if Dust 514 wants to succeed it has to at leas match them because nobody will play a mediocre FPS, even if it is free.
Better spend time and money on a solid product that waste time on a mediocre one.

I met a EVE players that said to me " EVE is simple, it's just that its UI is a mess".

Dust just like EVE indeed has a terrible UI and it's not a complicated game; as a Physicist would say "Dust is not very elegant".
Simplicity doesn't mean stupidity, here people instead think: complexity = clever, simple = stupid.
As Shakespeare said "Brevity is the souls of the wit" and Dust is unnecessary long.
Accessibility is important in any VG but here people think that putting a wall of inaccessibly in front of Dust is going to help and that it's making it better.

Dust is not a true sandbox MMO, and it's evident if you are in the beta, but still for the rest of the world it's advertised as such.

People come here expecting total freedom like in any MMO but instead get red unsafe zones/invisible walls & matchmaking just like in any FPS.
They rightfully feel disappointed/deceived.

Frankly I see on the forums way too many people here defending Dust from any sort of negative feedback, just because it's negative, without thinking that those feedback have a reason to exist.
Dust is getting negative publicity, from reviews and players alike, because there's indeed something wrong in Dust BUT here fanboys don't want to see it.
Negative feedback are essential to make e game better, to correct its mistakes, but here they are always censored/buried.
I understand the desire to see Dust succeed but protecting it from everything you don't like isn't helping.
This kind of behavior has made Dust 514 the unappealing game it is now.