So far in the week since precursor got updated, I have earned enough SP to get level five in Dropsuit command, Assault Rifle Operation, Engineering, Sniper Rifle Operation, and Weaponry. Now I know that there are a lot of skills and many of them are significantly more expensive to upgrade, but I feel like it should take more that a week of playing to max out that many skills, right now SP system doesn't seem like Eve where it would take fifteen years to acquire all of the skills. So imo there should either be more skills or less SP.

So far in the week since precursor got updated, I have earned enough SP to get level five in Dropsuit command, Assault Rifle Operation, Engineering, Sniper Rifle Operation, and Weaponry. Now I know that there are a lot of skills and many of them are significantly more expensive to upgrade, but I feel like it should take more that a week of playing to max out that many skills, right now SP system doesn't seem like Eve where it would take fifteen years to acquire all of the skills. So imo there should either be more skills or less SP.

In my opinion, yes it does. If I am into a marauder in 2 weeks, which I am, the SP needs to be lowered a bit.

Nano, not everybody can play 23.5/7, those that play a LOT obviously earn more SP. If they lower it any further, more casual players who can only afford playing 1-2 hours a day or less, will take a long time getting to DS command 5, let alone anything but militia gear.

Nano, not everybody can play 23.5/7, those that play a LOT obviously earn more SP. If they lower it any further, more casual players who can only afford playing 1-2 hours a day or less, will take a long time getting to DS command 5, let alone anything but militia gear.

Running Logi has reliably brought in more SP then running and gunning, sometimes i can go 21/2 othertimes ill get my ass handed to me and go 2/10, running with a RAR tool can push a low score into 5 figures.

Currently my best SP gain has been 31k.

I have no problems with lowering the SP gains.... I'm retired :P

As a side note... If you were able to spec into HAV too fast... wouldn't the best fix be to increase SP needed to do that?

Indeed. 6mil for a black op HAV isn't enough. Invisible tanks should be 200mil SP ;)
Edit highest SP running and gunning was 140k ish. I had a random 60k with heavy diminished returns.

Indeed. 6mil for a black op HAV isn't enough. Invisible tanks should be 200mil SP ;)
Edit highest SP running and gunning was 140k ish. I had a random 60k with heavy diminished returns.

Considering how black ops battleships can run up to a billion and a half, and how null sec corp members on the low end can make about 100 mil an hour, 200 mil is rather merciful.

So far in the week since precursor got updated, I have earned enough SP to get level five in Dropsuit command, Assault Rifle Operation, Engineering, Sniper Rifle Operation, and Weaponry. Now I know that there are a lot of skills and many of them are significantly more expensive to upgrade, but I feel like it should take more that a week of playing to max out that many skills, right now SP system doesn't seem like Eve where it would take fifteen years to acquire all of the skills. So imo there should either be more skills or less SP.

So far in the week since precursor got updated, I have earned enough SP to get level five in Dropsuit command, Assault Rifle Operation, Engineering, Sniper Rifle Operation, and Weaponry. Now I know that there are a lot of skills and many of them are significantly more expensive to upgrade, but I feel like it should take more that a week of playing to max out that many skills, right now SP system doesn't seem like Eve where it would take fifteen years to acquire all of the skills. So imo there should either be more skills or less SP.

I am actually balancing my skills instead of arrowing in on 4 skills.

So far in the week since precursor got updated, I have earned enough SP to get level five in Dropsuit command, Assault Rifle Operation, Engineering, Sniper Rifle Operation, and Weaponry. Now I know that there are a lot of skills and many of them are significantly more expensive to upgrade, but I feel like it should take more that a week of playing to max out that many skills, right now SP system doesn't seem like Eve where it would take fifteen years to acquire all of the skills. So imo there should either be more skills or less SP.

Umm, no one makes a 100 million SP per hour. If so, tell me how.

Problem with the equation is that kill whoring is rewarded too much easy fix is to give equal points from assists and kills.

Hail no just give more points for all logistical duties. A revive deserves at least 100 warpoints

i dunno about a flat 100 across the board, but i would really like to see a higher point reward for using a higher tier injector.

maybe keep the 60 for militia and standard, 80 for advanced, and 100 for a prototype revive.

if they don't differentiate, most people will never bother with the better injectors.. they're never gonna use it on themselves you know?

i dunno about a flat 100 across the board, but i would really like to see a higher point reward for using a higher tier injector.

maybe keep the 60 for militia and standard, 80 for advanced, and 100 for a prototype revive.

if they don't differentiate, most people will never bother with the better injectors.. they're never gonna use it on themselves you know?

I hope there are 100's of more skills that we don't see yet.... At this rate, ppl will of maxed out every skill in less than a year. After a couple of years down the road, I want there to still be skills that I need to get, hell I want it to be completely unrealistic to want to max everything out. I really only see this happening if active sp is on the same level as passive.... drip drip drop slow

Had an odd idea earlier today... What if our active sp was put directly into what we are using in combat, while we were able to pick where to put our passive sp?

Well, during the fanfest presentations they said their current line-up of skills will take people 7 years or so to get through. Maybe it's just that there's a ton of skills we haven't seen yet?

I actually raised this issue in the survey i filled in. I think SP gain is far, far too fast. You should be capped at something like 1m sp a month.

I don't care how they do it, diminishing returns, more emphasis on passive skill gain etc etc.

At the moment, in 12-18 months time there's going to such a HUGE gap between new players joining the game and people that have been here for launch that it's going to be a blood bath and that's against the whole "New Eden" feel. Someone who's been playing the game for 2 hours should in theory be able to kill someone who's been playing for 2 years.

Simple question - why should people who play more be penalised compared to people who play less?

Seriously, how do u think SP gain is to fast. Did you (or others) play last build ? Seeing as last build could put up b/t 700k,1mil SP day with not many game, now you need to double the amount for say 500k SP ina day, and that is if you are playing for hours.

If you make a cap of 1mil SP a month, you will have players stop playing after 3-4 days.

You think it is fast SP gain, as you can lv up a 1x or 2x skill in one day maybe two. Try doing that for skills are are 3x or 5x . Skills i fully maxed in a 1-2 days last build are taking 4-5 now pending amount can play, freezes/invalds

SP gain is perfectly fine. Stop making it into EVE where passive SP is what you get most of. EVE doesnt flux around PvP at=every situation ever second like DUST.

Simply put, keep SP as is, grinding 10-12 for a lv3 skill is fine enough. Plus it makes u think more on lv5 skills, do u want to spend 512k on that ine skill or put it into say 3 levels of something else

You're DUMB!! It is already low as hell & not all skills are in yet.... You're like the Stupid kid in class that reminds the teacher they forgot to give out homework

not everyone sits in there room 24/7

You're DUMB!! It is already low as hell & not all skills are in yet.... You're like the Stupid kid in class that reminds the teacher they forgot to give out homework

So far in the week since precursor got updated, I have earned enough SP to get level five in Dropsuit command, Assault Rifle Operation, Engineering, Sniper Rifle Operation, and Weaponry. Now I know that there are a lot of skills and many of them are significantly more expensive to upgrade, but I feel like it should take more that a week of playing to max out that many skills, right now SP system doesn't seem like Eve where it would take fifteen years to acquire all of the skills. So imo there should either be more skills or less SP.

Hey,

In my opinion, the SP gain is fine, the point that being able to use something, and being able to use is well, is always a valid one.

However, I personally find that being able to play very little (3 hours twice a week if I'm lucky) the SP gain isn't enough for the 'very' casual gamer. Most level one skills in EVE take any where from 30 minutes to 2 hours, but you'd be lucky to get enough for a level one skill in 24 hours with Dust (not actually sure what the SP gain rate is, can anyone inform?). Ideally they'd increase the idle SP gain, or what may be better is to provide a bonus to SP gain from a match, incrementally per hour last logged onto Dust.

I personally think it is fine. But who cares what I think. I can tell you as a player I try to get on for an hour or two a day to hit my SP time. When diminishing SP hits I stop playing...unless I am in a group and having fun. I am not entertained playing alone... but that is not Dust's fault, I do not enjoy FPS's with no peer interaction.

I know many who do as I do.

If you decrease SP gain ...your theory that more players will stick around longer (years) to enjoy the SP is incorrect. They will find another game. Games like this succeed IMO from player interaction and enjoyment. It becomes a social thing. That is why the age is 30 yr olds and COD has 14 yr olds.

BTW I had no trouble reading any posts. Harping on someone's text is pretty lame.

Hey,

In my opinion, the SP gain is fine, the point that being able to use something, and being able to use is well, is always a valid one.

However, I personally find that being able to play very little (3 hours twice a week if I'm lucky) the SP gain isn't enough for the 'very' casual gamer. Most level one skills in EVE take any where from 30 minutes to 2 hours, but you'd be lucky to get enough for a level one skill in 24 hours with Dust (not actually sure what the SP gain rate is, can anyone inform?). Ideally they'd increase the idle SP gain, or what may be better is to provide a bonus to SP gain from a match, incrementally per hour last logged onto Dust.