Tactical ar. Team mates

Read Marine Sniper, a book about Carlos Hathcock who was more or less the father or modern snipers/recon. He held the longest shot for around 40 years as well as the record for verified kills.

So like i bet a few others posts like this but snipers are down right annoying. So far from what i guess they just train to get then end sniper then call it a day.

i wouldn't mind too much but you cannot really sneak up behind them. most are perched up in these high mountains you will end up dying a few times trying to find the right path to mountain goat. So what just say eff everything else and start training in sniping?

-.-

With sp and isk the way they are now, you have to specilize and I chose to train for a sniper. Yes, some of the maps are good for snipers but it is not all good. Those ambush maps where you spawn inside a complex make a sniper almost useless. Even then I won't field a militia assault fit because I can contribute more if I can get outside and only die twice before making it and end up getting 1 or 2 kills. I suck with a militia assault and while I might get 2 or 3 kills I would die 6 or 8 times. In assault it is more important to not die than to get a kill.

Snipers role on the larger maps is to use their speed to get to and hack control points and supply depots. After hacking you then look for the perches that will allow you to help protect the control points. This is work and not easy as I'm sure you know. The terrain is very difficult and you often get stuck on grades that you really should be able to move over easily, lots of dead ends and lots of times when you have to jump over the cliff because you are now trapped by hostiles

One of a snipers main roles is counter-sniper. If you are getting killed by snipers, then you need a couple good ones on your side to even the match. When snipers get hit by other snipers, they tend to spend their time looking for them rather than looking at the rest of the battlefield. I know I don't rest and don't forget till I can return the favor by picking him off from a new hide or running up behind him with my smg.

Yea, maps that are littered with snipers is really annoying. I have one word for that though: Dropships. bye-bye snipers.

dont stand still.
dont stand still at spawn point.
do head for cover
do use the landscape to your advantage
do become a mountain goat, i like being a mountain goat its cool and yes i die.
do snipe them back. it is a game of whits, who is the more clever sniper.
sniper is that dude who kills the guy shooting you and saves your bacon.
sniper is that guy who becomes you second set of eyes, they see things you cannot

little tip on becoming the mountain goat, click run and jump at the right time and you become super mountain goat.

Simo H+ñyh+ñ: 505 sniper kills verified before Hathcock was even born.

I wouldn't mind if sniper rifles got removed.

Most of the time snipers are not contributing anything towards the objectives.

A good sniper providing overwatch across a couple of objectives that are controlled by your team can force the enemy to go hunting for the sniper before they're able to go for the objectives.

I'm pretty sure keeping enemies away from an objective is a useful function.

My self and a buddy do this in BF3, you would not believe the amount of people you can pull away from a battle when you annoy them with the sniper rifle. you don't even have to kill anyone just take a few pot shots and they'll come looking, this great fun!

A good sniper providing overwatch across a couple of objectives that are controlled by your team can force the enemy to go hunting for the sniper before they're able to go for the objectives.

I wouldn't mind if sniper rifles got removed.

And I don't care for their kittening KDR. I'd rather have someone with 0.5 KDR and an assault rifle next to me while completing objectives than a sniper somewhere on a mountain top miles away.

The game really needs some ways to combat these snipers other than "get close and kill him" .

Assaults and scouts could really use some infiltrator skills/modules/equips that conceal them from enemy radar when not firing or sprinting. I mean seriously... current system seems way too random and makes the spotting far too easy for snipers in these open maps.

How I take out snipers. Free LAV, smush xD a good LAV can drive up the flat side of a hill if you tell it to, a good pilot can then drop it on them.

In the last build I would rarely get sniped - now it's all the time

Give snipers just 3 bullets per match

The game really needs some ways to combat these snipers other than "get close and kill him" .

Assaults and scouts could really use some infiltrator skills/modules/equips that conceal them from enemy radar when not firing or sprinting. I mean seriously... current system seems way too random and makes the spotting far too easy for snipers in these open maps.

I snipe... and I die...

Seriously... Drop your ass into a scout suit and try sniping sometime... you'll find out how hard it is to get out of harms way fast enough to actually get a few kills in.

When doing objective based maps I will set up where I can watch 1 or more objectives and pick off the guys who wander up alone to hack things.

In this game, Snipers/Scouts also provide you with eyes on the battle field. Every time we zoom in and sight someone, they show up on your radar as one of those red chevrons... if no one's looking, you aren't fed that precious intel.

Recon/Scout/Sniping is tactical support. Sure some of us get decent KD (mine only hovers around 2.0 KDR.. but I run and hack a lot) but I can tell you in a squad that communicates they appreciate being able to call for Accurate fire and have a bullet whiz over their shoulder and take out that heavy bastard that just won't die.

A lot of the advice they give here in this thread is useful.. If you don't want to catch a bullet, then follow their advice... I'll repost my list here, I'm sure other's have covered it as well:

• Don't run in a predictable path - stop short, strafe, jump, and duck....if you run straight, I plot ahead of you, and wait for you to run into my crosshair to send the round.
• Use Cover - Duck under rocks, Buildings, Pipes, vehicles.... it won't always protect you... some of us don't always go for the high perches... but it will save you on some of the maps.
• Counter Snipe - Load up the default scout build, and look for the guy that shot you... even if you don't one-shot them... a bullet to the face of a sniper usually gets us moving...
• Use the Assault Rifle(AR) - damn thing is accurate and has killed me many times, even at a decent distance
• Listen - you can hear the bang of a sniper rifle in your area, only thing that has a slow single report.
• Work as a Team - Teams of moving people are hard to pick off... with the weaker Sniper Rifles you don't get too many one shot kills... and trading out with a heavy on taking damage runs us out of ammo
• Talk to your Snipers - We often have a good idea of how the battle is going, where the hot-spots are and we like to be useful...

Right now we are in the first few days of this round of testing. There are a lot of bugs and glitches that people are working through. A lot of folks are grinding up SP and ISK to move on to what they really want to do.

Give it a couple of weekends and the sniper frenzy should simmer down as people branch out into their specializations. Then people will ***** about the important stuff... like unkillable tanks...and Dropship Whores on Towers... ;)

Bottom line... if you're not having fun, try switching to a different set up, or a different character with different skill sets...

I wouldn't mind sniper rifles being removed from the game. Even when somebody on my team goes 15/1 as a sniper I still don't feel they contributed to the team. I'd rather have them be forced not to use them than sigh at those useless blue blobs/chevrons in the hills.

These large maps do give snipers an advantage, but still sniping is hard. especially at the longer ranges. I've lined up so many shots perfectly and they still miss most of the time. But I still have some learning to do. Not sure how the mechanics work just yet.

Try sniping when proto suits and good gear are back in the game, you couldn't drop a proto assault even with an ishukone and the best damage mods with one hit, hell even proto scouts "tanked" the shots on occasion and never mind proto heavies.

Everyone is running around in militia gear without a clue, stopping to look at the map in the open ...

You people are just jealous that we snipers get plenty of kills from clueless noobs but once they've died enough it's starts getting harder get skills, just like in previous builds where you always knew who was a n00b.
N00b was that guy who stopped running in the open where veterans never stopped moving and always zig zagged and ran in and behind a cover.

Also veterans don't stand still when they get shot, unlike noobs who wonder "oh some one's shooting me, maybe he won't hit if I move just a little bit behind this corner" where they should have ran like a devil was on their heels.

Also sometimes on ambush I've spawned right on a perfect distance from an enemy who instead of starting playing just stands there...
Well sadly for you I'm not giving you any mercy for being a noob and me spawning where I can snipe you right from the start.

Then we have ++ber noobs who get on a top of hill shooting well obviously those guys just beg getting sniped by standing still on a hill top shooting my team mates ...

I short use your brain cells and stop whining at least this isn't cod with those quick scoping ****, OHK every single time sniper rifles.

Really? You sure about that?

Carlos Hathcock: 95 kills verified
Simo H+ñyh+ñ: 505 sniper kills verified before Hathcock was even born.

Pretty sure he's never held that record.

These large maps do give snipers an advantage, but still sniping is hard. especially at the longer ranges. I've lined up so many shots perfectly and they still miss most of the time. But I still have some learning to do. Not sure how the mechanics work just yet.

Yeah, sniping is harder than people give credit for...if you look up this thread people are arguing in both directions about sniping.. I see several "sniping is so EZ an lame, I got so many killz" kinds of posts, then others say "snipers don't contribute anything" which would mean that snipers don't get many kills... you guys can duke it out with each other on whose derisiveness wins.

What I'm looking at is when/if hit detection is ever fixed.. you can be assured that the number of people dying by sniper shot will increase. Because a server-flunked hit has a lot more impact on snipers than any other class in the game. They fire in high powered singles. Half the people who are ranting about poor accuracy with their guns are also ranting against snipers now...

Its like two self-opposing arguments in one topic.

Meanwhile, if you do not find the idea of devoting your entire match to chasing snipers, you will randomly drop dead from snipers you did not see and who you had no way of fighting even if you did see them.

The solution isn't play tactics or new equipment. Sniper rifles are too strong right now. Especially with KB+M. It is a joke how easily I can get kills with a militia sniper rifle and essentially no sniper skills, because all it takes is one headshot or two body shots and you're down. That isn't fun for anyone. I don't want to see the game diminished so much by something like sniping.

Without damage mods i got ohks like nothing

Meanwhile, if you do not find the idea of devoting your entire match to chasing snipers, you will randomly drop dead from snipers you did not see and who you had no way of fighting even if you did see them.

The solution isn't play tactics or new equipment. Sniper rifles are too strong right now. Especially with KB+M. It is a joke how easily I can get kills with a militia sniper rifle and essentially no sniper skills, because all it takes is one headshot or two body shots and you're down. That isn't fun for anyone. I don't want to see the game diminished so much by something like sniping.

Really? You sure about that?

Carlos Hathcock: 95 kills verified
Simo H+ñyh+ñ: 505 sniper kills verified before Hathcock was even born.

Pretty sure he's never held that record.

WT Sherman.... another **** YEAH, Stars and Stripes waving, BOOYAH, Yankee....

When I find you.... I will KILL you

real life threat. please turn yourself in to nearest police station before they bring you in ;)

So like i bet a few others posts like this but snipers are down right annoying. So far from what i guess they just train to get then end sniper then call it a day.

i wouldn't mind too much but you cannot really sneak up behind them. most are perched up in these high mountains you will end up dying a few times trying to find the right path to mountain goat. So what just say eff everything else and start training in sniping?

-.-

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I'm willing to bet money you won't because you won't go positive for a while.

Actually that is BS, I am a very good sniper (24-0 kdr on average plus hacks last build) and what you said is either not true or this game is just completely lagging for me because I have put a militia sniper bullet right through a crouching scouts head and they have survived time and time again with 1% health which allowed them to run away

I wouldn't mind sniper rifles being removed from the game. Even when somebody on my team goes 15/1 as a sniper I still don't feel they contributed to the team. I'd rather have them be forced not to use them than sigh at those useless blue blobs/chevrons in the hills.

I have a positive KDR every match. I don't know what my overall KDR is but it's probably 3 or 4:1. Sniping is very easy with a keyboard and mouse. When I had to use the DS3 it was harder and sniping wasn't such a big deal, but with the precision of a mouse it's a cake walk.



Then you missed their head or, yes, the game lagged. Headshots with the militia sniper rifle are fatal to even people in the militia assault dropsuits with full health. Hell, I've been one-hit-killed by militia sniper rifles in an assault suit with full health, a few in Mechanic, and two militia shield extenders. Once someone stacks enough Weaponry, Sniper Rifle Ops/Proficiency, and weapon mods they will be one-hit-killing a hell of a lot of people.

Its too late for you anyway now. Have my advanced rifle now and by tomorrow night the prototype rifle. It is one-hit-kill-heaven!

Not as much as the charge. It is annoying at first to have to charge up your shot, and if this build is like last build it's won't quite be as accurate as the ishukeone, but if you can't one shot someone with that you won't be able to one shot people with a proto unless it's an officer rifle.

vehicles hardly take damage from bullets now so you won't be able to wreck those LAVs with your Ishukeone anymore.

Thanks for that answer. Explains a lot. Need to start skilling into swarm launcher before all the towers start getting filled up with drop ships.

Nice 3 or 4. You will be in the top 100 leader boards. Ccp you have this persons proof. I will agree then. Let's get rid of snipers.

Is it the snipers fault that you don't want to wear a shield extender or even a amour plate to counter any militia sniper rifle taking you out in one shot?

Its too late for you anyway now. Have my advanced rifle now and by tomorrow night the prototype rifle. It is one-hit-kill-heaven!

Also Flux is not lying or experiencing lag in those situations. He has shot me with my shield extender on which is a true story.


Edit: You were an assault with 2 shield extenders? I use the dragonfly with 1x standard extender and now with the amour plates have not been OHK all night. Even what I assume are the head shots which leave my screen flashing red with an annoying heartbeat for the rest of the game. I'm still 80 odd health away from an militia assault with extenders.

Patronizing responses really aren't helpful. Yes, we know that if you shoot a sniper enough they die. Yes, if you move and the shot misses you then you don't get hit by a shot. Neither of those things have anything to do with whether the power of sniper rifles is in a good place right now.

Patronizing responses really aren't helpful. Yes, we know that if you shoot a sniper enough they die. Yes, if you move and the shot misses you then you don't get hit by a shot. Neither of those things have anything to do with whether the power of sniper rifles is in a good place right now.

BTW trying to use a castle defense like approach to defend against snipers is literally shooting fish in a barrel to the sniper.

I agree. I don't know if the power of sniper rifles is in a good place. They should be buffed a bit. Takes a lot of shots to take down an assualt, and obviously a heavy. It sometimes takes 2 shots to take out a scout.

The only reason people are noticing snipers more now is because the new map most of us play is very sniper friendly. Do you have the same problem on Biomass? Of course not. It's the map.

People need to calm down and actually think about why the game is being played like it is. Certain maps are better for certain classes. That's the way it is. There will be thousdands of maps. Some will be better for assault, some for heavies, some for vehicles, and yes, some for snipers. Get over yourselves and realize that the game shouldn't always favor your class in every single map.

The complaining on these forums should be nerfed.

Patronizing responses really aren't helpful. Yes, we know that if you shoot a sniper enough they die. Yes, if you move and the shot misses you then you don't get hit by a shot. Neither of those things have anything to do with whether the power of sniper rifles is in a good place right now.

First heavies, then swarm launchers, then tanks, now snipers? We might as well nerf the whole game while we are at it. Every build, there is always 'nerf this' and 'nerf that'.

Tactical ar. Team mates

I don't know why so many people think a sniper round is over powered. The whole concept of being a GOOD sniper can be summed up in a few simple words, "One shot, One KILL!

During Viet Nam regular soldiers fired about 50,000 rounds to achieve one kill. The military snipers fired 1.3 rounds per kill.

So tell me, since we are supposed to be very advanced soldiers, using the most advanced weapons built by the 4 factions, why should it be impossible to get one shot kills if you have the skills and patience to be a good sniper?

I would like to see wind and gravity have an effect on any long range shooting. It would add an additional level of skill to the game in general, as well as making it difficult to hit someone from 500m out.

I agree. I don't know if the power of sniper rifles is in a good place. They should be buffed a bit. Takes a lot of shots to take down an assualt, and obviously a heavy. It sometimes takes 2 shots to take out a scout.

The only reason people are noticing snipers more now is because the new map most of us play is very sniper friendly. Do you have the same problem on Biomass? Of course not. It's the map.

I'm not patronizing you; I was telling you how to avoid being a deer in the cross hairs but if you want to be ignorant and take a bat to the sniper then fine take the blunt instrument approach.

The reason I'm saying snipers need to be toned down is because I am the one doing the sniping. It is painfully easy to get kills using a militia rifle with a mouse to aim with. Once hit detection gets fixed it will only get worse. Sniping is safe, easy, and very lethal with a mouse and even a militia sniper rifle. That needs to change.



Yes, shockingly, this is what it means to be patronizing. Do you imagine you are so far beyond us that you need to tell us to dodge and to fire our gun back at enemies? Do you really think we've never played a FPS game before? Get over yourself, Vassili.

As a sniper then you should know then that newer people dont understand how to dance. Its not patronizing to point out why I am able to briskly make my way up to a sniper perch under fire and kill the sniper 3 out of the 4 times. Its a valid tactic that people like yourself undervalue and view it as "patronizing" when some one points it out.

Have a runner fit; its got stims to run faster, jump more, a smg and grenades thats all you need to root out a sniper. Another fun way is to take and LAV and drive it up to his perch.

I cant count the times a recon or assault fit has run seen me and ran for my position from across the map only to get sniped down by me. And other snipers, I eat them for breakfast.

To be honest your being a bit sensitive on the internet and thats not a good plan.

That's all super amazing and I'm sure everyone is blown away by your ability to give "baby's first FPS" advice, but it's totally separate from the issue of whether sniper rifles are where they need to be right now.

The reason I'm saying snipers need to be toned down is because I am the one doing the sniping. It is painfully easy to get kills using a militia rifle with a mouse to aim with. Once hit detection gets fixed it will only get worse. Sniping is safe, easy, and very lethal with a mouse and even a militia sniper rifle. That needs to change.



Yes, shockingly, this is what it means to be patronizing. Do you imagine you are so far beyond us that you need to tell us to dodge and to fire our gun back at enemies? Do you really think we've never played a FPS game before? Get over yourself, Vassili.

Dude, in rl do you know when there is a sniper in the area? It is when you see the last man in your column drop like a rag doll and then the man in front of him and the next. In rl life, depending on the terrain you never know where the shot came from, there is no red trailer leading you back to the sniper, there is only death. Read Marine Sniper, a book about Carlos Hathcock who was more or less the father or modern snipers/recon. He held the longest shot for around 40 years as well as the record for verified kills. If he had had access to the weapons of today he would have done even better back then.

The presence of a sniper is supposed to instill fear, kill the enemy, deny access to key resources, or to take out a high priority target. 20 m is a long enough space for me to take out a heavy with a forge though it will take 3 shots on average. 20m is enough for an assault if he doesn't zig enough and I can time a headshot. Scouts/snipers are another matter unless they are running toward me or away from me, usually they are sitting still and are easy 1 or 2 shots even at extreme range.

You're a deluded imbecile.
This is a game.

Realism and reality don't have anything in common when talking about games, you stupid idiot.

The only way to do this properly is like somebody say, like PLANETSIDE did. Or get rid of the bullshit 'inaccessible' areas.

I wouldn't mind sniper rifles being removed from the game. Even when somebody on my team goes 15/1 as a sniper I still don't feel they contributed to the team. I'd rather have them be forced not to use them than sigh at those useless blue blobs/chevrons in the hills.

I wouldn't mind if sniper rifles got removed.

Most of the time snipers are not contributing anything towards the objectives.

Hunting down enemy snipers isn't worth the time because moments later they'll respawn and hide in the mountains again.

And I don't care for their kittening KDR. I'd rather have someone with 0.5 KDR and an assault rifle next to me while completing objectives than a sniper somewhere on a mountain top miles away.

i wouldn't mind too much but you cannot really sneak up behind them. most are perched up in these high mountains you will end up dying a few times trying to find the right path to mountain goat. So what just say eff everything else and start training in sniping?

-.-

So true.


In the last build I would rarely get sniped - now it's all the time

Give snipers just 3 bullets per match

Once suits get better snipers will be less of a problem and be more about sharing kills with your teammates by softening enemies hp and picking off weaker ones. Scrubs will still have no mercy but as people start building up passive skills and moving into better shielding and armor most snipers now will have a harder time, and as for snipers not helping anyone, one good sniper defending an objective or providing over watch can be very effective. Also a good counter for people grouping up, if you are sniping from a good position you are in a perfect spot to thin out the other teams ranks so your guys can have a much easier time breaking them.

This is actually something I have always done, between taking out the other snipers targeting my team I will fire into the enemy line and take 3 peoples armour down to 1% in about 3 seconds (charge time). From there I let my assault teammates get some easy kills while I headshot-kill 3 or 4 more. The snipers role is very extensive depending on many different factors and personalities.
I like to think of myself as a semi-hardcore sniper, I watch over my team while keeping the hills in my peripheral, I never stay in one place for too long, I will hack objectives any chance I get, and take down anyone who is a threat to me or my team. With this new build they can be a scout strafing full speed or a heavy charging away, I'll take 'em down.
And those comments saying all snipers don't get objectives is utter BS, in multiple games I have hacked damn near every hackable system on the whole map, I even got 4/5 objectives on the biggest one and all but one of the turrets.

well said!! One of the reasons i enjoy being a sniper myself is the challenge of sniping the other side's snipers. getting into sniper vs sniper battle can get more thrilling than running around with your head cut off spraying amachine gun around randomly to kill people wich takes no skill and gets boring quickly. being successful as a snipper with limited ammo and slow firing rate. that takes skill especially if you can hit someone as they are running.