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Snigo
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Posted - 2012.08.19 13:44:00 -
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So like i bet a few others posts like this but snipers are down right annoying. So far from what i guess they just train to get then end sniper then call it a day.
i wouldn't mind too much but you cannot really sneak up behind them. most are perched up in these high mountains you will end up dying a few times trying to find the right path to mountain goat. So what just say eff everything else and start training in sniping?
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crazy space
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.08.19 13:58:00 -
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Tactical ar. Team mates |
TH3HO
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.08.19 14:17:00 -
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crazy space wrote:Tactical ar. Team mates
That or fight fire with fire an snipe them back. |
WT Sherman
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
63
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Posted - 2012.08.19 14:20:00 -
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With sp and isk the way they are now, you have to specilize and I chose to train for a sniper. Yes, some of the maps are good for snipers but it is not all good. Those ambush maps where you spawn inside a complex make a sniper almost useless. Even then I won't field a militia assault fit because I can contribute more if I can get outside and only die twice before making it and end up getting 1 or 2 kills. I suck with a militia assault and while I might get 2 or 3 kills I would die 6 or 8 times. In assault it is more important to not die than to get a kill.
Snipers role on the larger maps is to use their speed to get to and hack control points and supply depots. After hacking you then look for the perches that will allow you to help protect the control points. This is work and not easy as I'm sure you know. The terrain is very difficult and you often get stuck on grades that you really should be able to move over easily, lots of dead ends and lots of times when you have to jump over the cliff because you are now trapped by hostiles
One of a snipers main roles is counter-sniper. If you are getting killed by snipers, then you need a couple good ones on your side to even the match. When snipers get hit by other snipers, they tend to spend their time looking for them rather than looking at the rest of the battlefield. I know I don't rest and don't forget till I can return the favor by picking him off from a new hide or running up behind him with my smg. |
Reefersmokintaz
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2012.08.19 14:39:00 -
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Im anti-sniper.....I get in a Railgun installation and clear the mountains out...Ive killed so many snipers it aint funny But also been killed right back lol |
boiglios bacon
CAS 514
6
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Posted - 2012.08.19 14:39:00 -
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put skill points into dropship and get buddy to man missile launchers...I hate those guys as a sniper |
Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
256
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Posted - 2012.08.19 14:40:00 -
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Stop running in straight lines. |
Jak Teston
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
99
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Posted - 2012.08.19 14:44:00 -
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I wouldn't mind sniper rifles being removed from the game. Even when somebody on my team goes 15/1 as a sniper I still don't feel they contributed to the team. I'd rather have them be forced not to use them than sigh at those useless blue blobs/chevrons in the hills. |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2012.08.19 14:54:00 -
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The only game that ever did snipers well was Planetside. The shots moved relatively slow so you had to anticipate your shot well, the crosshairs bloomed everytime you adjusted your aim, the shots didn't one-shot most people, the gun had to be reloaded between every shot, and the bullet drew a big orange line between the target and the shooter, exposing them everytime they fired.
THAT was how you do sniping. Make it hard and relatively weak. Best to err on the side of sniping being too weak in big, open area games like this one. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.08.19 14:55:00 -
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Getting in close negates a Sniper's advantage if you can approach them from behind.
At range, you need a Tactical AR or your own Sniper. Or a teammate counter-sniping for you while you deal with enemies in close. |
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WT Sherman
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
63
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Posted - 2012.08.19 15:29:00 -
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Dude, in rl do you know when there is a sniper in the area? It is when you see the last man in your column drop like a rag doll and then the man in front of him and the next. In rl life, depending on the terrain you never know where the shot came from, there is no red trailer leading you back to the sniper, there is only death. Read Marine Sniper, a book about Carlos Hathcock who was more or less the father or modern snipers/recon. He held the longest shot for around 40 years as well as the record for verified kills. If he had had access to the weapons of today he would have done even better back then.
The presence of a sniper is supposed to instill fear, kill the enemy, deny access to key resources, or to take out a high priority target. 20 m is a long enough space for me to take out a heavy with a forge though it will take 3 shots on average. 20m is enough for an assault if he doesn't zig enough and I can time a headshot. Scouts/snipers are another matter unless they are running toward me or away from me, usually they are sitting still and are easy 1 or 2 shots even at extreme range. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.08.19 15:37:00 -
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WT Sherman wrote:Read Marine Sniper, a book about Carlos Hathcock who was more or less the father or modern snipers/recon. He held the longest shot for around 40 years as well as the record for verified kills. Really? You sure about that?
Carlos Hathcock: 95 kills verified Simo H+ñyh+ñ: 505 sniper kills verified before Hathcock was even born.
Pretty sure he's never held that record. |
Super Cargo
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
428
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Posted - 2012.08.19 15:41:00 -
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Snigo wrote:So like i bet a few others posts like this but snipers are down right annoying. So far from what i guess they just train to get then end sniper then call it a day.
i wouldn't mind too much but you cannot really sneak up behind them. most are perched up in these high mountains you will end up dying a few times trying to find the right path to mountain goat. So what just say eff everything else and start training in sniping?
-.-
Yea, maps that are littered with snipers is really annoying. I have one word for that though: Dropships. bye-bye snipers. |
Mr TamiyaCowboy
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
121
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Posted - 2012.08.19 15:46:00 -
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dont stand still. dont stand still at spawn point. do head for cover do use the landscape to your advantage do become a mountain goat, i like being a mountain goat its cool and yes i die. do snipe them back. it is a game of whits, who is the more clever sniper. sniper is that dude who kills the guy shooting you and saves your bacon. sniper is that guy who becomes you second set of eyes, they see things you cannot
little tip on becoming the mountain goat, click run and jump at the right time and you become super mountain goat.
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hobinm
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.08.19 15:59:00 -
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WT Sherman wrote:With sp and isk the way they are now, you have to specilize and I chose to train for a sniper. Yes, some of the maps are good for snipers but it is not all good. Those ambush maps where you spawn inside a complex make a sniper almost useless. Even then I won't field a militia assault fit because I can contribute more if I can get outside and only die twice before making it and end up getting 1 or 2 kills. I suck with a militia assault and while I might get 2 or 3 kills I would die 6 or 8 times. In assault it is more important to not die than to get a kill.
Snipers role on the larger maps is to use their speed to get to and hack control points and supply depots. After hacking you then look for the perches that will allow you to help protect the control points. This is work and not easy as I'm sure you know. The terrain is very difficult and you often get stuck on grades that you really should be able to move over easily, lots of dead ends and lots of times when you have to jump over the cliff because you are now trapped by hostiles
One of a snipers main roles is counter-sniper. If you are getting killed by snipers, then you need a couple good ones on your side to even the match. When snipers get hit by other snipers, they tend to spend their time looking for them rather than looking at the rest of the battlefield. I know I don't rest and don't forget till I can return the favor by picking him off from a new hide or running up behind him with my smg.
well said!! One of the reasons i enjoy being a sniper myself is the challenge of sniping the other side's snipers. getting into sniper vs sniper battle can get more thrilling than running around with your head cut off spraying amachine gun around randomly to kill people wich takes no skill and gets boring quickly. being successful as a snipper with limited ammo and slow firing rate. that takes skill especially if you can hit someone as they are running. |
hobinm
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.08.19 16:08:00 -
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Super Cargo wrote:Snigo wrote:So like i bet a few others posts like this but snipers are down right annoying. So far from what i guess they just train to get then end sniper then call it a day.
i wouldn't mind too much but you cannot really sneak up behind them. most are perched up in these high mountains you will end up dying a few times trying to find the right path to mountain goat. So what just say eff everything else and start training in sniping?
-.- Yea, maps that are littered with snipers is really annoying. I have one word for that though: Dropships. bye-bye snipers.
drop ships aren't a threat to good snipper that looks for them. they can be easily be avoided from or brought down by a sniper. i have brought down a couple drop ships. as i discovered you can kill the pilot shooting at the cockpit or if the side is towards you you can kill the gunners which is how i have gotten a few kills. a lot of pilots are dumb enough to fly those things low and slow enough for a good snipper too shoot them. the ones that stay high enough and out range for a sniper are the the annoying ones that a sniper can't do anything about except die from them or hide and avoid them till they have a shot. |
TheReaper545
21
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Posted - 2012.08.19 16:09:00 -
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Mr TamiyaCowboy wrote: dont stand still. dont stand still at spawn point. do head for cover do use the landscape to your advantage do become a mountain goat, i like being a mountain goat its cool and yes i die. do snipe them back. it is a game of whits, who is the more clever sniper. sniper is that dude who kills the guy shooting you and saves your bacon. sniper is that guy who becomes you second set of eyes, they see things you cannot
little tip on becoming the mountain goat, click run and jump at the right time and you become super mountain goat.
I hunt these so called mountain goats.
I have yet to see one of these super mountain goats though >_>...
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NEGA LEAVESEY
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2012.08.19 16:09:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Simo H+ñyh+ñ: 505 sniper kills verified before Hathcock was even born.
With an iron sight too no less |
Jebus McKing
DUST University Ivy League
25
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Posted - 2012.08.19 18:12:00 -
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I wouldn't mind if sniper rifles got removed.
Most of the time snipers are not contributing anything towards the objectives.
Hunting down enemy snipers isn't worth the time because moments later they'll respawn and hide in the mountains again.
And I don't care for their kittening KDR. I'd rather have someone with 0.5 KDR and an assault rifle next to me while completing objectives than a sniper somewhere on a mountain top miles away. |
carl von oppenheimer
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
158
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Posted - 2012.08.19 18:14:00 -
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Problems killing snipers ? Try a 10 man zerg rush which seems to be the name of the game once I get a perfect sniping position near object, you're going to be hard pressed to escape from all 10 no matter how good you are.
Failing that drops ship spamming also works; nothing ruins your game better then running from 3 missile spammers for the entire match or getting ran over by LAV. |
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.08.19 18:35:00 -
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Jebus McKing wrote:I wouldn't mind if sniper rifles got removed.
Most of the time snipers are not contributing anything towards the objectives. A good sniper providing overwatch across a couple of objectives that are controlled by your team can force the enemy to go hunting for the sniper before they're able to go for the objectives.
I'm pretty sure keeping enemies away from an objective is a useful function. |
JohnJones Shrapnel
17
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Posted - 2012.08.19 18:38:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Jebus McKing wrote:I wouldn't mind if sniper rifles got removed.
Most of the time snipers are not contributing anything towards the objectives. A good sniper providing overwatch across a couple of objectives that are controlled by your team can force the enemy to go hunting for the sniper before they're able to go for the objectives. I'm pretty sure keeping enemies away from an objective is a useful function.
My self and a buddy do this in BF3, you would not believe the amount of people you can pull away from a battle when you annoy them with the sniper rifle. you don't even have to kill anyone just take a few pot shots and they'll come looking, this great fun! |
TEBOW BAGGINS
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
549
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Posted - 2012.08.19 18:41:00 -
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I love snipers are an easy kill for me. I see them trying to snipe in some really bad places. There's a couple good ones but thats the case with alot of roles.. Average sniper with no spatial awareness = easy kill. |
Alaxen Dre
Ex Morte Vita Big Bang Quantum
16
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Posted - 2012.08.19 18:42:00 -
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I love snipers.
I've played a few Skirmish games where the entire opposing team wants to be snipers and they end up losing very quickly in a hilarious fashion. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.08.19 18:49:00 -
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JohnJones Shrapnel wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Jebus McKing wrote:I wouldn't mind if sniper rifles got removed.
Most of the time snipers are not contributing anything towards the objectives. A good sniper providing overwatch across a couple of objectives that are controlled by your team can force the enemy to go hunting for the sniper before they're able to go for the objectives. I'm pretty sure keeping enemies away from an objective is a useful function. My self and a buddy do this in BF3, you would not believe the amount of people you can pull away from a battle when you annoy them with the sniper rifle. you don't even have to kill anyone just take a few pot shots and they'll come looking, this great fun! It's what my girlfriend does too.
She's a SCARY person to fight sometimes.
But get behind her, or into effective AR range when she's busy taking a shot somewhere else and she's a pretty easy target.
Snipers are vulnerable once they've been spotted. SOME PEOPLE need to learn how to counter them effectively. |
Jebus McKing
DUST University Ivy League
25
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Posted - 2012.08.19 19:02:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:A good sniper providing overwatch across a couple of objectives that are controlled by your team can force the enemy to go hunting for the sniper before they're able to go for the objectives.
It's true, there are a few useful sniper players out there. But they are rare.
The sad truth is most snipers couldn't care less for the objectives or their team. They'll sit somewhere far away from anything that could destroy their KDR.
While having a good sniper may contribute to the team having five useless KDR kittens sitting in the mountains hurts much. And to be honest I'd rather do without that one useful sniper if I can have more players playing towards the objective for it.
But all the talking about this topic is useless because snipers won't ever be removed from this game (or any other multiplayer FPS) anyway. So we'll have to keep yelling at the snipers like we always do. |
JohnJones Shrapnel
17
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Posted - 2012.08.19 19:10:00 -
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I can see the sniper having more uses in this game then any fps on the market at the moment. But then I really like the being able to move about the map fairly quickly, taking any decent shot along the way. But thats when I'm playing with randoms, I'd use a different setup if playing in corp matches |
TEBOW BAGGINS
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
549
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Posted - 2012.08.19 19:25:00 -
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i started out as a sniper on bad company 1 but eventually graduated to assault by the time BFBC2 rolled out,,, let ppl play their game how they want, some ppl constantly running and gunning is not their thing due possibly to something going on in real life where they can't dedicate every second to the match.. it's also good starter to role someone new to FPS and some of those ppl graduate to more riskier roles |
SkunkyUK
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.08.19 19:28:00 -
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Jebus McKing wrote:I wouldn't mind if sniper rifles got removed.
And I don't care for their kittening KDR. I'd rather have someone with 0.5 KDR and an assault rifle next to me while completing objectives than a sniper somewhere on a mountain top miles away.
So true.
In the last build I would rarely get sniped - now it's all the time
Give snipers just 3 bullets per match |
Kyy Seiska
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2012.08.19 19:29:00 -
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The game really needs some ways to combat these snipers other than "get close and kill him" .
Assaults and scouts could really use some infiltrator skills/modules/equips that conceal them from enemy radar when not firing or sprinting. I mean seriously... current system seems way too random and makes the spotting far too easy for snipers in these open maps. |
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