Yeah make it gladiator arena not for war and Im not gonna type essays to you. If you wanna do what you just described go get that from COD because it already exists. Dust is trying to do something new and that can include KDR base game but ambush doesnt as it stand does little to further district control for what will eventually be null sec war. I have no problem with it making it there but mind you but if it does it will be hard pressed to have any real place there besides avoid that district till last. At that point it will be a cake walk. So by all mean have your ambush and we will ***** about the dead end future of it. It will stay in high sec and you guy can drink your beer and chill in high sec. Thats fine but that game doesnt translate well when commanders are trying to navigate district battle order and thats a bad game mechanic which at the level Eve commanders in Low and null sec.

"Why send equal troop against equal troops, Ill wait and go around" says the eve commander

Abron why are you so against turning ambush into a game mode that would be better and more fun for all that people will actually want to play it?

SO you cant read the part where I agreed with you about high sec KDR games?

I muddled through the poorly written text brick you threw at me, but i got that part. That's not the argument.

The argument is ambush should be changed into something more constructive that most players feel is awesome.

Your argument is TDM should be in Dust.

You see the difference

Ambush is TDM.

We all feel that Ambush isnt that fun and should be changed to something more fun. TDM isnt threatened by that its just getting reassigned some where else in my argument. Get off the pills bro.

Honestly, leave ambush alone. You don't like it, don't play it. Honestly sometimes your tired and just want to lay back and kill. No playing tag with objective: a, b, c, d.

If you add an objective to ambush then it becomes a smaller mode of skirmish.

Their seems to be a base of players who enjoys it also. A game needs variety so it is natural to have a team death match mode. Mag had Suppression which was like Ambush, and Sabotage which was like Skirmish. Of course Sabotage was more popular, but people were still actively playing Suppression.

The core of FPS was a team death match. I remember just wasting hours away playing golden eye 64 with my friends. It was a 2 vs 2 match, or sometimes a free for all. It was hours of entertainment. I understand mindlessly killing can and does get boring but it is a nice change of pace. If you don't like ambush don't play it. It is a place where people who care little about objectives and team work can go to run about.

Changing it to be a mini skirmish is going to ruin the spirit of a team death match. I'm pretty sure the game will have smaller skirmish mode, and some sort of capture the flag mode.

Whoa, blew my mind a bit there...
You are saying we should change Ambush in to something different, and put in a TDM mode?...
Do you understand how redundant this is? Why not just make a new game mode and leave Ambush as it is?

ROFL the depth of human understanding must be low today.

lol...I pointed out such a large flaw in your argument you can't even come up with a response.
Reread the comment at the top of this quote and then respond to this.
"TDM is just being reassigned some where else in my argument."
Let me say this again: You want to change Ambush to something "more fun" and reassign TDM? That IS redundant.
Maybe YOU should get off the pills.

There's that adding an objective to a game mode makes it like all the other game modes with objectives...

Yes adding an objective to ambush, makes it not longer the same mode.

Before it was a kill fest.

Add an objective it changes the entire mechanics of the match. It will involve defending that one objective. It essentially makes it a "light low calorie" version of Skirmish. Is it exactly like Skirmish? No, but it embodies the basic spirit of Skirmish.

Hey if they wanna add a Smaller Skirmish that is cool. Or other types of match like a capture the flag, or a juggernaut mode. More the better, but don't obliterate one game mode because it isn't the most popular one.

The point of team death match is to kill. Nothing else.

There's that adding an objective to a game mode makes it like all the other game modes with objectives...

lol...I pointed out such a large flaw in your argument you can't even come up with a response.
Reread the comment at the top of this quote and then respond to this.
"TDM is just being reassigned some where else in my argument."
Let me say this again: You want to change Ambush to something "more fun" and reassign TDM? That IS redundant.
Maybe YOU should get off the pills.

Once you add other objectives to TDM, it's no longer traditional TDM.

But who said that objective has to be hack and hold?

Once again, I have to disagree with you.
The newest map, when played on Ambush, has supply depots, and I am assuming CCP will continue to add more installations in later maps created for Ambush.

But that doesn't make it the same as any other game mode that is my point TDM or not.

If it isn't broke don't fix it. Team Death Match was the corner stone of online fps gaming. Objectives were added to that cocktail to make it more enticing, but ultimately they should just have a plain old death match mode.

Sometimes you walk into that ice cream shop and honestly you just want vanilla, not mocha latte mint flavor.

Adding an objective kills the spirit of an original team death match. It becomes something different when you add an objective. Whether it is hack and hold. Or capture the flag. Or plant a bomb.

TDM has no place in this game as it is, it needs tweeks. Read this thread before commenting on something I already mentioned, There needs to be a point besides kill each other to make it more interesting and it can be as simple as adding CRUs to the maps and fixing the infinite grenade resupply from supply depots.

As for the name Ambush it needs to be a whole different game type or a more apt name.

TDM or Ambush needs both of those in my opinion but one will most likely do.