I said it before, and I'll say it again.

People need to stop b*tching about this.
Every online FPS game has a TDM game mode, deal with it.

Ambush is my favorite game. In my opinion, most of the people who dislike ambush have a problem getting kills and so they blame the game mode. Ambush is perfect for learning how to move and shoot. Just suck it up.

Once again, I have to disagree with you.
The newest map, when played on Ambush, has supply depots, and I am assuming CCP will continue to add more installations in later maps created for Ambush.

Which is what 90% of this game is all about. If you're having problems killing people now, Skirmish isn't going to help you.

Not fun for you maybe, but I enjoy it. There is an objective in Ambush, it's called killing others while minimizing your deaths. It's all about attrition. And if you don't think the vast majority of game play involves killing people in either Skirmish or Ambush, then I don't know what to tell you.

Arpentis-

Because the objective is to kill the other side's clones while limiting your own losses. That's the objective, plain and simple. Adding another objective would make it skirmish and not an Ambush.

What he just described sounds a lot like a gentle men's duel. Ha-ha-ha! Literally. It's not an ambush if both teams willing meet at the same gorch, or valley to slaughter one another. That is a skirmish, and simply put an arranged gentle men's duel. There is no objective. It borders on a bar fight. I mean if this was a supposed ambush then do explain why both sides obviously seem as if they were invited to come to a incursion which offers no real value? There is no objective to be had or won, and it seems all for nothing shy of selfish reasons. No team value whatsoever.

Carlito-

First, In the "Seeding the Universe" fanfest video someone asked if you could basically destroy a district without fighting over it as a scorched earth method. Both devs stated that wasn't a feature in game but might be if players asked for it.

Secondly, OB has a cooldown and you have to have boots on the ground already fighting in order to use it.


Arpentis-

Nobody likes ambush? Funny, on the last build, Biomass and Communications usually had at least half the number of active players as skirmish had -Hardly nobody.

As for objectives. What objective are you going to add that wouldn't step on the toes of skirmish and completely change the flavor of ambush? KotH style with one side trying to hold an area...that is just an organized campfest. Click this terminal? That's skirmish. I agree there are ways to make Ambush more varied in terms of gameplay, but not by adding more skirmish style objectives.

I asked you what objective you would add to make Ambush more interesting. And again, Ambush was not empty, not even close, unless you're playing at 5 am EST on a US server. Ambush is team death match. That's what it is. I don't know why people cannot grasp this. Now, stealing or destroying "this", whatever "this" is, sounds fun, but it should have its own game mode. Don't just remove or change Ambush because YOU don't prefer it.

If you called three OBs in one game then your team was already winning prior to that, or would have anyway. Right now it takes a few WPs to drop those on someone and to get enough for 3 means you and your team were already beating the other side heavily.

Bolded the important parts of your post.

Ambush works in hisec/lowsec for people who just want to log in and kill a few people before going to bed/work, w/e. right now Ambush has a faster turnover than skirmish, this means I can get more isk and sp faster than I normally would in skirmish. I also can lone-wolf it more depending on the map. Sometimes I just want to kill people, Ambush allows me to do that faster and with less fuss. That's why it is a good game mode, but not for everyone all the time. Thankfully we get to choose what we play.

Depends.. I think I have every choice. Why? Because, I accept what contracts are fowarded or available to me, or my group. Meaning I have a choice. I do not have to accept a contract just because, it is there.

All in how you look at things I suppose.

Most people don't like using shotguns or playing in heavy suits. And please tell me you're not seriously going to use the number of threads as a way to gauge who likes and plays what. Last week, 4 of those "20" threads were made by Carlito and it pretty much has the same people in each thread going back and forth. Also, most of those threads were in regard to the fact we weren't able to choose which map we got to play for testing purposes. If you played at 5am est then yes Ambush would be empty because most people on the east coast are either asleep or heading to work/school.

Honestly, leave ambush alone. You don't like it, don't play it. Honestly sometimes your tired and just want to lay back and kill. No playing tag with objective: a, b, c, d.

If you add an objective to ambush then it becomes a smaller mode of skirmish.

Their seems to be a base of players who enjoys it also. A game needs variety so it is natural to have a team death match mode. Mag had Suppression which was like Ambush, and Sabotage which was like Skirmish. Of course Sabotage was more popular, but people were still actively playing Suppression.

The core of FPS was a team death match. I remember just wasting hours away playing golden eye 64 with my friends. It was a 2 vs 2 match, or sometimes a free for all. It was hours of entertainment. I understand mindlessly killing can and does get boring but it is a nice change of pace. If you don't like ambush don't play it. It is a place where people who care little about objectives and team work can go to run about.

Changing it to be a mini skirmish is going to ruin the spirit of a team death match. I'm pretty sure the game will have smaller skirmish mode, and some sort of capture the flag mode.

Yes adding an objective to ambush, makes it not longer the same mode.

Before it was a kill fest.

Add an objective it changes the entire mechanics of the match. It will involve defending that one objective. It essentially makes it a "light low calorie" version of Skirmish. Is it exactly like Skirmish? No, but it embodies the basic spirit of Skirmish.

Hey if they wanna add a Smaller Skirmish that is cool. Or other types of match like a capture the flag, or a juggernaut mode. More the better, but don't obliterate one game mode because it isn't the most popular one.

The point of team death match is to kill. Nothing else.

Once you add other objectives to TDM, it's no longer traditional TDM.

If it isn't broke don't fix it. Team Death Match was the corner stone of online fps gaming. Objectives were added to that cocktail to make it more enticing, but ultimately they should just have a plain old death match mode.

Sometimes you walk into that ice cream shop and honestly you just want vanilla, not mocha latte mint flavor.

Adding an objective kills the spirit of an original team death match. It becomes something different when you add an objective. Whether it is hack and hold. Or capture the flag. Or plant a bomb.

Vehicles should cost personal WP in Ambush - in fact, list the WP cost in its stats.

Problem solved.

This is just completely false. People did play Ambush; I'm one of them.

It is like that in mostly every game with the option of Objectives and a Team Death Match. People enjoy objectives more.

Look at MAG. People play Sabotage a lot more, which is like Skirmish. They don't play suppression as much, which is like ambush. Doesn't mean zipper (RIP) will remove it.

Small relative to what? Most nights between a fourth and a third of the population was in Biomass or Communication. You're telling me you're going to screw over a quarter of your potential customer base because skirmish has more people?

Anyway, I think I've found your problem. You're a pilot/driver. That's cool, but those maps usually had less emphasis on vehicular combat and more on infantry, which was another bonus.

Don't get salty because you didn't fix anything.

Ok, so it seems to me some people don't seem to like Ambush. This wouldn't be such a big problem if it wasn't for the fact instant battle finder doesn't have a filter to, erm, filter out Ambush. So as I said somewhere on the first page, why not just suck it up until we get that filter?

How does Ambush damage the game?

Hyperbole aside, I'm not seeing any damage. Taking control of that district is a reason. Being the only side left standing is generally how most battles and wars pan out.

Well even that small change brings about a difference in the play style. Everyone will want to swarm and protect the supply depots to keep spamming forge and grenades. Heavies will stay to keep an infinite supply for their HMG's. Every bit of that changes the game in a different way.

The key here is how to add certain elements and keep the spirit of the death match. The game is not going to be about planetary conquest solely. Some people will just want to log on and shoot stuff.

It is serving the casual gamers.

This. Why is the game mode where one side is ambushing the other called "skirmish", and the mode that's an objectiveless skirmish called "ambush?" Did someone at CCP just switch the names on accident and now they don't want to admit it, or what?

so picture this -

one side ambushes another in an attempt to destroy the clones for the ground forces so the mcc can come in and do whatever without being in danger.at another operation can move forward.

why are so many people getting upset about ambush just existing in the game. its good to have a TDM as a selling point for an online game, and also ambush has a place in the game thematically as a way to weaken a planet's defenses before an eve pilot risks an expensive ship.

And holding circle over an installation is better somehow? You're arguing personal taste as a basis for destroying TDM.