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Carilito
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Posted - 2012.08.18 21:12:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:I said it before, and I'll say it again.
People need to stop b*tching about this. Every online FPS game has a TDM game mode, deal with it.
And if you have to post that more then 3 times your obviously swimming against the current especially on this topic |
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Posted - 2012.08.18 21:18:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Carilito wrote:Logi Bro wrote:I said it before, and I'll say it again.
People need to stop b*tching about this. Every online FPS game has a TDM game mode, deal with it. And if you have to post that more then 3 times your obviously swimming against the current especially on this topic This is the second time I've posted it, so your point is moot. Back on topic, the people that are complaining about this need to tough it out until CCP lets us manually select our battles. They can feel free to avoid Ambush when that happens.
I was preempting your third post because at the rate **** ambush threads go up your third copy and paste was soon. CCp needs to feel the rage we feel for ambush; sometimes it takes drastic bitching to get stuff done.
Hence Incarna riots |
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Posted - 2012.08.18 21:20:00 -
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Arpentis wrote:Abron Garr wrote:Ambush is my favorite game. In my opinion, most of the people who dislike ambush have a problem getting kills and so they blame the game mode. Ambush is perfect for learning how to move and shoot. Just suck it up. Most people who dislike ambush dislike it because it has no objective other than shoot and kill
This wraps it up |
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Posted - 2012.08.18 21:28:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Carilito wrote:Arpentis wrote:Abron Garr wrote:Ambush is my favorite game. In my opinion, most of the people who dislike ambush have a problem getting kills and so they blame the game mode. Ambush is perfect for learning how to move and shoot. Just suck it up. Most people who dislike ambush dislike it because it has no objective other than shoot and kill This wraps it up Once again, I have to disagree with you. The newest map, when played on Ambush, has supply depots, and I am assuming CCP will continue to add more installations in later maps created for Ambush.
Haha supply depots are your contention point for ambush objectives. The only reason people congregate around those is because CCP hasnt figured out that supply depots refilling grenades infinitely is broken, especially when 5 people figure that trick out. Its a circle of splosions at that point.
Find the broken mechanic. exploit. repeat.
In skirmish stuff like that rarely amounts to anything greater then a supply depot defended or capped |
Carilito
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Posted - 2012.08.18 21:44:00 -
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Abron Garr wrote:Arpentis wrote:Abron Garr wrote:Ambush is my favorite game. In my opinion, most of the people who dislike ambush have a problem getting kills and so they blame the game mode. Ambush is perfect for learning how to move and shoot. Just suck it up. Most people who dislike ambush dislike it because it has no objective other than shoot and kill Which is what 90% of this game is all about. If you're having problems killing people now, Skirmish isn't going to help you.
He wasnt talking about skill, he was talking about all the things you can do in it and ambush is theme park with one ride kill the other guy with friends. Its the difference between going to laser tag and going to a theme park. I know which one I would pick 100% of the time. |
Carilito
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Posted - 2012.08.18 21:51:00 -
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Abron Garr wrote:Arpentis wrote:Abron Garr wrote:Arpentis wrote:Abron Garr wrote:Ambush is my favorite game. In my opinion, most of the people who dislike ambush have a problem getting kills and so they blame the game mode. Ambush is perfect for learning how to move and shoot. Just suck it up. Most people who dislike ambush dislike it because it has no objective other than shoot and kill Which is what 90% of this game is all about. If you're having problems killing people now, Skirmish isn't going to help you. You keep going back to have trouble killing people who said anything about having trouble killing people were talking about how ambush(aka team death match) is not a fun mode in this game and that it should become a more objective based game mode because that's what "90" percent (I can make up numbers to) of this player base likes. Not fun for you maybe, but I enjoy it. There is an objective in Ambush, it's called killing others while minimizing your deaths. It's all about attrition. And if you don't think the vast majority of game play involves killing people in either Skirmish or Ambush, then I don't know what to tell you.
You do realize in the final game if we get locked into a war of attrition the side with the control of space will just blow the living crap out the district. Its the balancing factor to us just rushing random planets; if we dont have ships in the air to stop the other ships from orbital bombarding us we get pwned by the other team. So wars of attrition wont happen; my question is now why would an eve player/corp let the other team just curb stomp your team in an ambush map. You will just be getting OBed the whole time, thats not fun. |
Carilito
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Posted - 2012.08.18 21:54:00 -
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I like to think Im fighting for some reason be it entertainment, Money, or war; Ambush seems like they are just letting us kill each other for no reason. |
Carilito
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Posted - 2012.08.18 22:05:00 -
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Abron Garr wrote:
Carlito-
That's not how OB mechanics work. You don't get a Deathstar to play with at launch. Eve IS a war of attrition, if you can't replace your losses, you're done.
Arpentis-
Because the objective is to kill the other side's clones while limiting your own losses. That's the objective, plain and simple. Adding another objective would make it skirmish and not an Ambush.
Im not talking death star anything Im talk what CCP has said at fanfest and if all that is true I dont see why the team with ships in the air or warbarge wont OB when they can and the team that doesnt control the district cant. |
Carilito
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Posted - 2012.08.18 22:12:00 -
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And yeah if you cant replace you loses sure you screwed but in this game Im pretty confident once the actual emplacements(IE: skyfire cannon, w/e the MCCs are trying to get to) are lost the ambush with nothing on it for control purposes gets pwned. |
Carilito
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Posted - 2012.08.18 22:19:00 -
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Abron Garr wrote:Arpentis wrote:[quote=Abron Quote: Arpentis-
Because the objective is to kill the other side's clones while limiting your own losses. That's the objective, plain and simple. Adding another objective would make it skirmish and not an Ambush.
And you just listed the exact reason nobody likes to play ambush and I still fail to realize when ambush only meant kill everything and that's it... Also based on your logic any game that has multiple game modes really only have one one game mode because all the game modes have objectives in them. Carlito- First, In the "Seeding the Universe" fanfest video someone asked if you could basically destroy a district without fighting over it as a scorched earth method. Both devs stated that wasn't a feature in game but might be if players asked for it. Secondly, OB has a cooldown and you have to have boots on the ground already fighting in order to use it. Arpentis- Nobody likes ambush? Funny, on the last build, Biomass and Communications usually had at least half the number of active players as skirmish had -Hardly nobody. As for objectives. What objective are you going to add that wouldn't step on the toes of skirmish and completely change the flavor of ambush? KotH style with one side trying to hold an area...that is just an organized campfest. Click this terminal? That's skirmish. I agree there are ways to make Ambush more varied in terms of gameplay, but not by adding more skirmish style objectives.
Hence my mention of the other team using OB on the other team, you still need ships and both sides are not gonna play nice unless its warbarges. learn 2 read.
BTW skirmish was 50 ppl max last build while skirmish enjoyed a cool 250 to 300 all the time |
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Carilito
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Posted - 2012.08.18 22:22:00 -
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A squad of 6 will be a tough nut to crack with OB on their side. |
Carilito
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Posted - 2012.08.18 22:23:00 -
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Abron Garr wrote:Rorek IronBlood wrote:Arpentis wrote:[quote=Abron Quote: Arpentis-
Because the objective is to kill the other side's clones while limiting your own losses. That's the objective, plain and simple. Adding another objective would make it skirmish and not an Ambush.
And you just listed the exact reason nobody likes to play ambush and I still fail to realize when ambush only meant kill everything and that's it... What he just described sounds a lot like a gentle men's duel. Ha-ha-ha! Literally. It's not an ambush if both teams willing meet at the same gorch, or valley to slaughter one another. That is a skirmish, and simply put an arranged gentle men's duel. There is no objective. It borders on a bar fight. I mean if this was a supposed ambush then do explain why both sides obviously seem as if they were invited to come to a incursion which offers no real value? There is no objective to be had or won, and it seems all for nothing shy of selfish reasons. No team value whatsoever. You mean every battle ever fought had another objective other than kill the other side? I agree with the naming system not being appropriate, but let's not argue for changing the entire game mode because the name is incorrect. If it helps you sleep at night, then imagine it's just two forces meeting and effectively skirmishing until one side is dead.
No one would do this in war, only for sport; if there was a theme change there would be less anger I agree there |
Carilito
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Posted - 2012.08.18 22:39:00 -
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I have personally called down about a dozen OB strikes and its devestating in the right hands. Im talking whole teams slaughtered or forced off a point, you have rosey idea of fighting against that but I have seen three orbital strike in one game and guess what we won. Yes there is a cool down but having that kind of power in a pure KDR based game is not fun.
As for Null sec we will get there and we have to work to that from the beginning and ambush doesnt even work in null sec war with out some sort of tweek to make it worth it. Think of the future of the game CCP is trying to |
Carilito
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Posted - 2012.08.18 22:44:00 -
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Seriously I saw maybe 5 games of ambush going at once at most and that was with asia figured in. |
Carilito
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Posted - 2012.08.18 22:48:00 -
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SO you turn to the its a game argument when the rest of us are trying to make a serious point.
Ran out points to argue did you?
Make it gladiator arena and not for war.
Make Ambush more apt to its name. |
Carilito
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Posted - 2012.08.18 22:52:00 -
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Abron Garr wrote:Carilito wrote:
I have personally called down about a dozen OB strikes and its devestating in the right hands. Im talking whole teams slaughtered or forced off a point, you have rosey idea of fighting against that but I have seen three orbital strike in one game and guess what we won. Yes there is a cool down but having that kind of power in a pure KDR based game is not fun.
As for Null sec we will get there and we have to work to that from the beginning and ambush doesnt even work in null sec war with out some sort of tweek to make it worth it. Think of the future of the game CCP is trying to
If you called three OBs in one game then your team was already winning prior to that, or would have anyway. Right now it takes a few WPs to drop those on someone and to get enough for 3 means you and your team were already beating the other side heavily. Bolded the important parts of your post. Ambush works in hisec/lowsec for people who just want to log in and kill a few people before going to bed/work, w/e. right now Ambush has a faster turnover than skirmish, this means I can get more isk and sp faster than I normally would in skirmish. I also can lone-wolf it more depending on the map. Sometimes I just want to kill people, Ambush allows me to do that faster and with less fuss. That's why it is a good game mode, but not for everyone all the time. Thankfully we get to choose what we play.
You make more from Skirmish even with the new build even lone wolfing it. |
Carilito
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Posted - 2012.08.18 22:57:00 -
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Abron Garr wrote:Arpentis wrote:Quote:I asked you what objective you would add to make Ambush more interesting. And again, Ambush was not empty, not even close, unless you're playing at 5 am EST on a US server. Ambush is team death match. That's what it is. I don't know why people cannot grasp this. Now, stealing or destroying "this", whatever "this" is, sounds fun, but it should have its own game mode. Don't just remove or change Ambush because YOU don't prefer it. Again team deathwatch does not make sense in this game and it's me and most of this game's community that do not enjoy it, as you can tell for the other 20 threads on this topic do not try to single me out like I'm the odd one out and I did play around that time I live on the east coast and..... Uh... Yeah..... It was just as empty... And if it was called team deathwatch instead of ambush that would make people less mad but it still wouldn't make a lick of sense in a game like this. Most people don't like using shotguns or playing in heavy suits. And please tell me you're not seriously going to use the number of threads as a way to gauge who likes and plays what. Last week, 4 of those "20" threads were made by Carlito and it pretty much has the same people in each thread going back and forth. Also, most of those threads were in regard to the fact we weren't able to choose which map we got to play for testing purposes. If you played at 5am est then yes Ambush would be empty because most people on the east coast are either asleep or heading to work/school.
Lies, cant argue with a liar. As for ambush it sucks who agrees |
Carilito
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Posted - 2012.08.18 23:10:00 -
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Abron Garr wrote:Carilito wrote:SO you turn to the its a game argument when the rest of us are trying to make a serious point.
Ran out points to argue did you?
Make it gladiator arena and not for war.
Make Ambush more apt to its name. Instead of getting angry and making nearly unintelligible posts, it might be better if you actually used some critical thinking skills. Yes it is a game. And sometimes people want to just log in and kill a few people for some laughs. Not always, but sometimes. That's what TDM is for. It's also there so people with epeens can grab a few of their friends and fight another group with epeens for e-honor. There are a lot of reasons for having a TDM style game mode in Dust.
Yeah make it gladiator arena not for war and Im not gonna type essays to you. If you wanna do what you just described go get that from COD because it already exists. Dust is trying to do something new and that can include KDR base game but ambush doesnt as it stand does little to further district control for what will eventually be null sec war. I have no problem with it making it there but mind you but if it does it will be hard pressed to have any real place there besides avoid that district till last. At that point it will be a cake walk. So by all mean have your ambush and we will ***** about the dead end future of it. It will stay in high sec and you guy can drink your beer and chill in high sec. Thats fine but that game doesnt translate well when commanders are trying to navigate district battle order and thats a bad game mechanic which at the level Eve commanders in Low and null sec.
"Why send equal troop against equal troops, Ill wait and go around" says the eve commander |
Carilito
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Posted - 2012.08.18 23:11:00 -
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Abron Garr wrote:Carilito wrote:Abron Garr wrote:Arpentis wrote:Quote:I asked you what objective you would add to make Ambush more interesting. And again, Ambush was not empty, not even close, unless you're playing at 5 am EST on a US server. Ambush is team death match. That's what it is. I don't know why people cannot grasp this. Now, stealing or destroying "this", whatever "this" is, sounds fun, but it should have its own game mode. Don't just remove or change Ambush because YOU don't prefer it. Again team deathwatch does not make sense in this game and it's me and most of this game's community that do not enjoy it, as you can tell for the other 20 threads on this topic do not try to single me out like I'm the odd one out and I did play around that time I live on the east coast and..... Uh... Yeah..... It was just as empty... And if it was called team deathwatch instead of ambush that would make people less mad but it still wouldn't make a lick of sense in a game like this. Most people don't like using shotguns or playing in heavy suits. And please tell me you're not seriously going to use the number of threads as a way to gauge who likes and plays what. Last week, 4 of those "20" threads were made by Carlito and it pretty much has the same people in each thread going back and forth. Also, most of those threads were in regard to the fact we weren't able to choose which map we got to play for testing purposes. If you played at 5am est then yes Ambush would be empty because most people on the east coast are either asleep or heading to work/school. Lies, cant argue with a liar. As for ambush it sucks who agrees OneTwoThreeFound those with 30 seconds of searching. Please try and act like an adult.
I see three and you arent |
Carilito
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Posted - 2012.08.18 23:13:00 -
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Abron Gar Im just gonna tell you have been my entertainment at work thank you |
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Carilito
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Posted - 2012.08.18 23:27:00 -
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SO you cant read the part where I agreed with you about high sec KDR games?
You obviously care much more about keeping this game mode in this game. You seem to be a one man "army" |
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Posted - 2012.08.18 23:33:00 -
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Abron Garr wrote:Carilito wrote:SO you cant read the part where I agreed with you about high sec KDR games? I muddled through the poorly written text brick you threw at me, but i got that part. That's not the argument.
The argument is ambush should be changed into something more constructive that most players feel is awesome.
Your argument is TDM should be in Dust.
You see the difference |
Carilito
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Posted - 2012.08.18 23:35:00 -
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We all feel that Ambush isnt that fun and should be changed to something more fun. TDM isnt threatened by that its just getting reassigned some where else in my argument. Get off the pills bro. |
Carilito
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Posted - 2012.08.18 23:37:00 -
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Abron Garr wrote:Carilito wrote:Abron Garr wrote:Carilito wrote:SO you cant read the part where I agreed with you about high sec KDR games? I muddled through the poorly written text brick you threw at me, but i got that part. That's not the argument. The argument is ambush should be changed into something more constructive that most players feel is awesome. Your argument is TDM should be in Dust. You see the difference Ambush is TDM.
Ok your close now, take one more step with it. |
Carilito
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Posted - 2012.08.18 23:39:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Carilito wrote:We all feel that Ambush isnt that fun and should be changed to something more fun. TDM isnt threatened by that its just getting reassigned some where else in my argument. Get off the pills bro. Whoa, blew my mind a bit there... You are saying we should change Ambush in to something different, and put in a TDM mode?... Do you understand how redundant this is? Why not just make a new game mode and leave Ambush as it is?
ROFL the depth of human understanding must be low today. |
Carilito
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Posted - 2012.08.18 23:50:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Carilito wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Carilito wrote:We all feel that Ambush isnt that fun and should be changed to something more fun. TDM isnt threatened by that its just getting reassigned some where else in my argument. Get off the pills bro. Whoa, blew my mind a bit there... You are saying we should change Ambush in to something different, and put in a TDM mode?... Do you understand how redundant this is? Why not just make a new game mode and leave Ambush as it is? ROFL the depth of human understanding must be low today. lol...I pointed out such a large flaw in your argument you can't even come up with a response. Reread the comment at the top of this quote and then respond to this. "TDM is just being reassigned some where else in my argument." Let me say this again: You want to change Ambush to something "more fun" and reassign TDM? That IS redundant. Maybe YOU should get off the pills.
TDM has no place in this game as it is, it needs tweeks. Read this thread before commenting on something I already mentioned, There needs to be a point besides kill each other to make it more interesting and it can be as simple as adding CRUs to the maps and fixing the infinite grenade resupply from supply depots.
As for the name Ambush it needs to be a whole different game type or a more apt name.
TDM or Ambush needs both of those in my opinion but one will most likely do. |
Carilito
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Posted - 2012.08.18 23:52:00 -
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Can we get back to trying to better this game type like the thread OP wants |
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