DUST Search - Revamping Ambush

Rorek IronBlood wrote:

Kira Lannister wrote:

Honestly, leave ambush alone. You don't like it, don't play it. Honestly sometimes your tired and just want to lay back and kill. No playing tag with objective: a, b, c, d.

If you add an objective to ambush then it becomes a smaller mode of skirmish.

Their seems to be a base of players who enjoys it also. A game needs variety so it is natural to have a team death match mode. Mag had Suppression which was like Ambush, and Sabotage which was like Skirmish. Of course Sabotage was more popular, but people were still actively playing Suppression.

The core of FPS was a team death match. I remember just wasting hours away playing golden eye 64 with my friends. It was a 2 vs 2 match, or sometimes a free for all. It was hours of entertainment. I understand mindlessly killing can and does get boring but it is a nice change of pace. If you don't like ambush don't play it. It is a place where people who care little about objectives and team work can go to run about.

Changing it to be a mini skirmish is going to ruin the spirit of a team death match. I'm pretty sure the game will have smaller skirmish mode, and some sort of capture the flag mode.

Pffft.. Seriously?! Supression was only played by KDR skanks looking for easy kills, and trying to ruin the experience of rookie players just entering the game. Anyone with more then five hours of experience should never be caught playing supression again. Simple as that. The core of FPS gameplay is debatable. Capture The Flag and other objective oriented game modes always have played a more important role, and always catch more players. Team deathmatch only works well when the maps are smaller, and spawning is more grouped. As it stands the game mode known as ambush is lacking, unrefined, and as I have pointed a cluser f#ck.

If you do not care about objectives -- why are you playing Dust514 where the team and objective come first? Seriously. It sounds like you are looking for a game such as Unreal Tournament, Quake, Call of Duty, or other varying titles. Granted I loved Unreal Tournament, but simple is simple nonetheless.

Ambush is simply a bar room fight. Nothing "ambushy" about it. Both teams showed up at a specific date and time just to rumble. What is this? West Side Story?! Roll


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Kira Lannister Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 711	Posted - 2012.08.18 23:35:00 - [1] - Quote Honestly, leave ambush alone. You don't like it, don't play it. Honestly sometimes your tired and just want to lay back and kill. No playing tag with objective: a, b, c, d. If you add an objective to ambush then it becomes a smaller mode of skirmish. Their seems to be a base of players who enjoys it also. A game needs variety so it is natural to have a team death match mode. Mag had Suppression which was like Ambush, and Sabotage which was like Skirmish. Of course Sabotage was more popular, but people were still actively playing Suppression. The core of FPS was a team death match. I remember just wasting hours away playing golden eye 64 with my friends. It was a 2 vs 2 match, or sometimes a free for all. It was hours of entertainment. I understand mindlessly killing can and does get boring but it is a nice change of pace. If you don't like ambush don't play it. It is a place where people who care little about objectives and team work can go to run about. Changing it to be a mini skirmish is going to ruin the spirit of a team death match. I'm pretty sure the game will have smaller skirmish mode, and some sort of capture the flag mode.
Kira Lannister Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 711	Posted - 2012.08.18 23:47:00 - [2] - Quote Arpentis wrote: Kira Lannister wrote: Honestly, leave ambush alone. You don't like it, don't play it. Honestly sometimes your tired and just want to lay back and kill. No playing tag with objective: a, b, c, d. If you add an objective to ambush then it becomes a smaller mode of skirmish. Their seems to be a base of players who enjoys it also. A game needs variety so it is natural to have a team death match mode. Mag had Suppression which was like Ambush, and Sabotage which was like Skirmish. Of course Sabotage was more popular, but people were still actively playing Suppression. The core of FPS was a team death match. I remember just wasting hours away playing golden eye 64 with my friends. It was a 2 vs 2 match, or sometimes a free for all. It was hours of entertainment. I understand mindlessly killing can and does get boring but it is a nice change of pace. If you don't like ambush don't play it. It is a place where people who care little about objectives and team work can go to run about. Changing it to be a mini skirmish is going to ruin the spirit of a team death match. I'm pretty sure the game will have smaller skirmish mode, and some sort of capture the flag mode. There's that adding an objective to a game mode makes it like all the other game modes with objectives... Yes adding an objective to ambush, makes it not longer the same mode. Before it was a kill fest. Add an objective it changes the entire mechanics of the match. It will involve defending that one objective. It essentially makes it a "light low calorie" version of Skirmish. Is it exactly like Skirmish? No, but it embodies the basic spirit of Skirmish. Hey if they wanna add a Smaller Skirmish that is cool. Or other types of match like a capture the flag, or a juggernaut mode. More the better, but don't obliterate one game mode because it isn't the most popular one. The point of team death match is to kill. Nothing else.
Kira Lannister Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 711	Posted - 2012.08.18 23:53:00 - [3] - Quote If it isn't broke don't fix it. Team Death Match was the corner stone of online fps gaming. Objectives were added to that cocktail to make it more enticing, but ultimately they should just have a plain old death match mode. Sometimes you walk into that ice cream shop and honestly you just want vanilla, not mocha latte mint flavor. Adding an objective kills the spirit of an original team death match. It becomes something different when you add an objective. Whether it is hack and hold. Or capture the flag. Or plant a bomb.
Kira Lannister Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 711	Posted - 2012.08.18 23:55:00 - [4] - Quote Arbon speaks sense!
Kira Lannister Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 711	Posted - 2012.08.19 00:02:00 - [5] - Quote It is like that in mostly every game with the option of Objectives and a Team Death Match. People enjoy objectives more. Look at MAG. People play Sabotage a lot more, which is like Skirmish. They don't play suppression as much, which is like ambush. Doesn't mean zipper (RIP) will remove it.
Kira Lannister Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 711	Posted - 2012.08.19 00:07:00 - [6] - Quote Rorek IronBlood wrote: Kira Lannister wrote: Honestly, leave ambush alone. You don't like it, don't play it. Honestly sometimes your tired and just want to lay back and kill. No playing tag with objective: a, b, c, d. If you add an objective to ambush then it becomes a smaller mode of skirmish. Their seems to be a base of players who enjoys it also. A game needs variety so it is natural to have a team death match mode. Mag had Suppression which was like Ambush, and Sabotage which was like Skirmish. Of course Sabotage was more popular, but people were still actively playing Suppression. The core of FPS was a team death match. I remember just wasting hours away playing golden eye 64 with my friends. It was a 2 vs 2 match, or sometimes a free for all. It was hours of entertainment. I understand mindlessly killing can and does get boring but it is a nice change of pace. If you don't like ambush don't play it. It is a place where people who care little about objectives and team work can go to run about. Changing it to be a mini skirmish is going to ruin the spirit of a team death match. I'm pretty sure the game will have smaller skirmish mode, and some sort of capture the flag mode. Pffft.. Seriously?! Supression was only played by KDR skanks looking for easy kills, and trying to ruin the experience of rookie players just entering the game. Anyone with more then five hours of experience should never be caught playing supression again. Simple as that. The core of FPS gameplay is debatable. Capture The Flag and other objective oriented game modes always have played a more important role, and always catch more players. Team deathmatch only works well when the maps are smaller, and spawning is more grouped. As it stands the game mode known as ambush is lacking, unrefined, and as I have pointed a cluser f#ck. If you do not care about objectives -- why are you playing Dust514 where the team and objective come first? Seriously. It sounds like you are looking for a game such as Unreal Tournament, Quake, Call of Duty, or other varying titles. Granted I loved Unreal Tournament, but simple is simple nonetheless. Ambush is simply a bar room fight. Nothing "ambushy" about it. Both teams showed up at a specific date and time just to rumble. What is this? West Side Story?! Besides playing a demo at gamestop, I never played COD or Battle Field. Don't get me wrong. I ENJOY objectives, but when you have played for a few hours. A change of pace is nice. I don't care for my KD/R. Honestly the name for Skirmish sounds more suitable for Ambush.
Kira Lannister Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 711	Posted - 2012.08.19 00:46:00 - [7] - Quote crazy space wrote: Carilito wrote: Arpentis wrote: Abron Garr wrote: Ambush is my favorite game. In my opinion, most of the people who dislike ambush have a problem getting kills and so they blame the game mode. Ambush is perfect for learning how to move and shoot. Just suck it up. Most people who dislike ambush dislike it because it has no objective other than shoot and kill This wraps it up But the ambush map with supply depots is still better. Is it still not the same just becuase of that one change? Well even that small change brings about a difference in the play style. Everyone will want to swarm and protect the supply depots to keep spamming forge and grenades. Heavies will stay to keep an infinite supply for their HMG's. Every bit of that changes the game in a different way. The key here is how to add certain elements and keep the spirit of the death match. The game is not going to be about planetary conquest solely. Some people will just want to log on and shoot stuff. It is serving the casual gamers.