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Arpentis 28	Posted - 2012.08.18 21:04:00 - [1] - Quote I think it's obvious with the amount of hate that Ambush is getting I think CCP should seriously think about hanging it up, I mean when I think of ambush the word tactical comes to mind and while it is a tactic to deplete an enemies ISK supply it can be done so in a more interesting way. For example like someone else suggested you can have the defenders transporting a convoy from facility A to facility B in which the attacking team ambushes them and has to defend the convoy for an amount of time for them to win while the defenders try to take it back. I just think that having some kind of objective to Ambush will make it just as if not more fun that Skirmish.
Logi Bro ZionTCD Legacy Rising 836	Posted - 2012.08.18 21:10:00 - [2] - Quote I said it before, and I'll say it again. People need to stop b*tching about this. Every online FPS game has a TDM game mode, deal with it.
crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.08.18 21:10:00 - [3] - Quote I like the one with supply depos. Maybe add a bit more like 2 clone machines and a few small turrets. Which were in the !st ambush
Arpentis 28	Posted - 2012.08.18 21:12:00 - [4] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: I said it before, and I'll say it again. People need to stop b*tching about this. Every online FPS game has a TDM game mode, deal with it. I'm not bitching I actually like TDM but it's a game mode that is not being played so it obviously needs to change so that more people will stop complaining about it.
Carilito Algintal Core Gallente Federation 345	Posted - 2012.08.18 21:12:00 - [5] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: I said it before, and I'll say it again. People need to stop b*tching about this. Every online FPS game has a TDM game mode, deal with it. And if you have to post that more then 3 times your obviously swimming against the current especially on this topic
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 256	Posted - 2012.08.18 21:13:00 - [6] - Quote Ambush is my favorite game. In my opinion, most of the people who dislike ambush have a problem getting kills and so they blame the game mode. Ambush is perfect for learning how to move and shoot. Just suck it up.
Logi Bro ZionTCD Legacy Rising 836	Posted - 2012.08.18 21:16:00 - [7] - Quote Carilito wrote: Logi Bro wrote: I said it before, and I'll say it again. People need to stop b*tching about this. Every online FPS game has a TDM game mode, deal with it. And if you have to post that more then 3 times your obviously swimming against the current especially on this topic This is the second time I've posted it, so your point is moot. Back on topic, the people that are complaining about this need to tough it out until CCP lets us manually select our battles. They can feel free to avoid Ambush when that happens.
Carilito Algintal Core Gallente Federation 345	Posted - 2012.08.18 21:18:00 - [8] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Carilito wrote: Logi Bro wrote: I said it before, and I'll say it again. People need to stop btching about this. Every online FPS game has a TDM game mode, deal with it. And if you have to post that more then 3 times your obviously swimming against the current especially on this topic This is the second time I've posted it, so your point is moot. Back on topic, the people that are complaining about this need to tough it out until CCP lets us manually select our battles. They can feel free to avoid Ambush when that happens. I was preempting your third post because at the rate *** ambush threads go up your third copy and paste was soon. CCp needs to feel the rage we feel for ambush; sometimes it takes drastic bitching to get stuff done. Hence Incarna riots
Arpentis 28	Posted - 2012.08.18 21:18:00 - [9] - Quote Abron Garr wrote: Ambush is my favorite game. In my opinion, most of the people who dislike ambush have a problem getting kills and so they blame the game mode. Ambush is perfect for learning how to move and shoot. Just suck it up. Most people who dislike ambush dislike it because it has no objective other than shoot and kill
Carilito Algintal Core Gallente Federation 345	Posted - 2012.08.18 21:20:00 - [10] - Quote Arpentis wrote: Abron Garr wrote: Ambush is my favorite game. In my opinion, most of the people who dislike ambush have a problem getting kills and so they blame the game mode. Ambush is perfect for learning how to move and shoot. Just suck it up. Most people who dislike ambush dislike it because it has no objective other than shoot and kill This wraps it up

Logi Bro ZionTCD Legacy Rising 836	Posted - 2012.08.18 21:22:00 - [11] - Quote Carilito wrote: Arpentis wrote: Abron Garr wrote: Ambush is my favorite game. In my opinion, most of the people who dislike ambush have a problem getting kills and so they blame the game mode. Ambush is perfect for learning how to move and shoot. Just suck it up. Most people who dislike ambush dislike it because it has no objective other than shoot and kill This wraps it up Once again, I have to disagree with you. The newest map, when played on Ambush, has supply depots, and I am assuming CCP will continue to add more installations in later maps created for Ambush.
Carilito Algintal Core Gallente Federation 345	Posted - 2012.08.18 21:28:00 - [12] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Carilito wrote: Arpentis wrote: Abron Garr wrote: Ambush is my favorite game. In my opinion, most of the people who dislike ambush have a problem getting kills and so they blame the game mode. Ambush is perfect for learning how to move and shoot. Just suck it up. Most people who dislike ambush dislike it because it has no objective other than shoot and kill This wraps it up Once again, I have to disagree with you. The newest map, when played on Ambush, has supply depots, and I am assuming CCP will continue to add more installations in later maps created for Ambush. Haha supply depots are your contention point for ambush objectives. The only reason people congregate around those is because CCP hasnt figured out that supply depots refilling grenades infinitely is broken, especially when 5 people figure that trick out. Its a circle of splosions at that point. Find the broken mechanic. exploit. repeat. In skirmish stuff like that rarely amounts to anything greater then a supply depot defended or capped
Arpentis 28	Posted - 2012.08.18 21:30:00 - [13] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Carilito wrote: Arpentis wrote: Abron Garr wrote: Ambush is my favorite game. In my opinion, most of the people who dislike ambush have a problem getting kills and so they blame the game mode. Ambush is perfect for learning how to move and shoot. Just suck it up. Most people who dislike ambush dislike it because it has no objective other than shoot and kill This wraps it up Once again, I have to disagree with you. The newest map, when played on Ambush, has supply depots, and I am assuming CCP will continue to add more installations in later maps created for Ambush. That can "sort of" count as an objective but again you can have Ambush with out the mission being to kill immortal soldiers again and again even though they're going to come right back it can have objectives just as important as skirmish, hell why don't we ambush a Mcc and have to destroy from the inside... Even that would make Ambush a more played game mode.
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 256	Posted - 2012.08.18 21:36:00 - [14] - Quote Arpentis wrote: Abron Garr wrote: Ambush is my favorite game. In my opinion, most of the people who dislike ambush have a problem getting kills and so they blame the game mode. Ambush is perfect for learning how to move and shoot. Just suck it up. Most people who dislike ambush dislike it because it has no objective other than shoot and kill Which is what 90% of this game is all about. If you're having problems killing people now, Skirmish isn't going to help you.
Arpentis 28	Posted - 2012.08.18 21:40:00 - [15] - Quote Abron Garr wrote: Arpentis wrote: Abron Garr wrote: Ambush is my favorite game. In my opinion, most of the people who dislike ambush have a problem getting kills and so they blame the game mode. Ambush is perfect for learning how to move and shoot. Just suck it up. Most people who dislike ambush dislike it because it has no objective other than shoot and kill Which is what 90% of this game is all about. If you're having problems killing people now, Skirmish isn't going to help you. You keep going back to having trouble killing people who said anything about having trouble killing people were talking about how ambush(aka team death match) is not a fun mode in this game and that it should become a more objective based game mode because that's what "90" percent (I can make up numbers to) of this player base likes.
Carilito Algintal Core Gallente Federation 345	Posted - 2012.08.18 21:44:00 - [16] - Quote Abron Garr wrote: Arpentis wrote: Abron Garr wrote: Ambush is my favorite game. In my opinion, most of the people who dislike ambush have a problem getting kills and so they blame the game mode. Ambush is perfect for learning how to move and shoot. Just suck it up. Most people who dislike ambush dislike it because it has no objective other than shoot and kill Which is what 90% of this game is all about. If you're having problems killing people now, Skirmish isn't going to help you. He wasnt talking about skill, he was talking about all the things you can do in it and ambush is theme park with one ride kill the other guy with friends. Its the difference between going to laser tag and going to a theme park. I know which one I would pick 100% of the time.
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 256	Posted - 2012.08.18 21:44:00 - [17] - Quote Arpentis wrote: Abron Garr wrote: Arpentis wrote: Abron Garr wrote: Ambush is my favorite game. In my opinion, most of the people who dislike ambush have a problem getting kills and so they blame the game mode. Ambush is perfect for learning how to move and shoot. Just suck it up. Most people who dislike ambush dislike it because it has no objective other than shoot and kill Which is what 90% of this game is all about. If you're having problems killing people now, Skirmish isn't going to help you. You keep going back to have trouble killing people who said anything about having trouble killing people were talking about how ambush(aka team death match) is not a fun mode in this game and that it should become a more objective based game mode because that's what "90" percent (I can make up numbers to) of this player base likes. Not fun for you maybe, but I enjoy it. There is an objective in Ambush, it's called killing others while minimizing your deaths. It's all about attrition. And if you don't think the vast majority of game play involves killing people in either Skirmish or Ambush, then I don't know what to tell you.
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 256	Posted - 2012.08.18 21:47:00 - [18] - Quote Carilito wrote: Abron Garr wrote: Arpentis wrote: Abron Garr wrote: Ambush is my favorite game. In my opinion, most of the people who dislike ambush have a problem getting kills and so they blame the game mode. Ambush is perfect for learning how to move and shoot. Just suck it up. Most people who dislike ambush dislike it because it has no objective other than shoot and kill Which is what 90% of this game is all about. If you're having problems killing people now, Skirmish isn't going to help you. He wasnt talking about skill, he was talking about all the things you can do in it and ambush and ambush is theme park with one ride kill the other guy with friends. Its the difference between going to laser tag and going to a theme park. I know which one I would pick 100% of the time. Translation please? Ambush is just as much a valid objective based gameplay as skirmish, the objective is just different. If you don't like Ambush, then stick to skirmish maps. I'd agree that not being able to choose which mode to play is annoying, but that isn't going to be a permanent feature.
Carilito Algintal Core Gallente Federation 345	Posted - 2012.08.18 21:51:00 - [19] - Quote Abron Garr wrote: Arpentis wrote: Abron Garr wrote: Arpentis wrote: Abron Garr wrote: Ambush is my favorite game. In my opinion, most of the people who dislike ambush have a problem getting kills and so they blame the game mode. Ambush is perfect for learning how to move and shoot. Just suck it up. Most people who dislike ambush dislike it because it has no objective other than shoot and kill Which is what 90% of this game is all about. If you're having problems killing people now, Skirmish isn't going to help you. You keep going back to have trouble killing people who said anything about having trouble killing people were talking about how ambush(aka team death match) is not a fun mode in this game and that it should become a more objective based game mode because that's what "90" percent (I can make up numbers to) of this player base likes. Not fun for you maybe, but I enjoy it. There is an objective in Ambush, it's called killing others while minimizing your deaths. It's all about attrition. And if you don't think the vast majority of game play involves killing people in either Skirmish or Ambush, then I don't know what to tell you. You do realize in the final game if we get locked into a war of attrition the side with the control of space will just blow the living crap out the district. Its the balancing factor to us just rushing random planets; if we dont have ships in the air to stop the other ships from orbital bombarding us we get pwned by the other team. So wars of attrition wont happen; my question is now why would an eve player/corp let the other team just curb stomp your team in an ambush map. You will just be getting OBed the whole time, thats not fun.
Arpentis 28	Posted - 2012.08.18 21:51:00 - [20] - Quote Abron Garr wrote: Arpentis wrote: Abron Garr wrote: Arpentis wrote: Abron Garr wrote: Ambush is my favorite game. In my opinion, most of the people who dislike ambush have a problem getting kills and so they blame the game mode. Ambush is perfect for learning how to move and shoot. Just suck it up. Most people who dislike ambush dislike it because it has no objective other than shoot and kill Which is what 90% of this game is all about. If you're having problems killing people now, Skirmish isn't going to help you. You keep going back to have trouble killing people who said anything about having trouble killing people were talking about how ambush(aka team death match) is not a fun mode in this game and that it should become a more objective based game mode because that's what "90" percent (I can make up numbers to) of this player base likes. Not fun for you maybe, but I enjoy it. There is an objective in Ambush, it's called killing others while minimizing your deaths. It's all about attrition. And if you don't think the vast majority of game play involves killing people in either Skirmish or Ambush, then I don't know what to tell you. It does involve killing people but it's killing people with an objective that people actually give two ***** about. And to rephrase what I said earlier I find it to be fun but not as fun as it could be if it actually had an objective other than killing clones again and again and again why can't I kill clones while trying to take or defend something while that objective is different from becoming skirmish and becoming its own thing.

Carilito Algintal Core Gallente Federation 345	Posted - 2012.08.18 21:54:00 - [21] - Quote I like to think Im fighting for some reason be it entertainment, Money, or war; Ambush seems like they are just letting us kill each other for no reason.
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 256	Posted - 2012.08.18 22:01:00 - [22] - Quote Carlito- That's not how OB mechanics work. You don't get a Deathstar to play with at launch. Eve IS a war of attrition, if you can't replace your losses, you're done. Arpentis- Because the objective is to kill the other side's clones while limiting your own losses. That's the objective, plain and simple. Adding another objective would make it skirmish and not an Ambush.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.08.18 22:02:00 - [23] - Quote I know that a lot of people are tired of hearing references, or discussion of MAG, but I rarely do as such -- however I do feel that the current ambush as is needs to be more like MAG's saborteur game mode. I can already hear the heavy sighs and hate echoing through the internet, but it needs an objective, or some form of an objective. As it stands it's just a cluster f#ck of a game mode, and is only one step shy of being a open ended area death match. It's just boring, and turning quickly into a camp fest. I like skirmish, but I think it should be renamed. I also feel we need atleast one more game mode to really solidify this game. Two games modes is going to get stale. Three is really a sweet spot. Especially if you have a lot of potential maps which will help keep it fresh(er). I need objectives instead of just random spawn seperatly and kill an enemy for no obvious reason other then he and I were there in the gorch. Lame.
Arpentis 28	Posted - 2012.08.18 22:04:00 - [24] - Quote [quote=Abron Quote: Arpentis- Because the objective is to kill the other side's clones while limiting your own losses. That's the objective, plain and simple. Adding another objective would make it skirmish and not an Ambush. And you just listed the exact reason nobody likes to play ambush and I still fail to realize when ambush only meant kill everything and that's it... Also based on your logic any game that has multiple game modes really only have one one game mode because all the game modes have objectives in them.
Carilito Algintal Core Gallente Federation 345	Posted - 2012.08.18 22:05:00 - [25] - Quote Abron Garr wrote: Carlito- That's not how OB mechanics work. You don't get a Deathstar to play with at launch. Eve IS a war of attrition, if you can't replace your losses, you're done. Arpentis- Because the objective is to kill the other side's clones while limiting your own losses. That's the objective, plain and simple. Adding another objective would make it skirmish and not an Ambush. Im not talking death star anything Im talk what CCP has said at fanfest and if all that is true I dont see why the team with ships in the air or warbarge wont OB when they can and the team that doesnt control the district cant.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.08.18 22:12:00 - [26] - Quote Arpentis wrote: [quote=Abron Quote: Arpentis- Because the objective is to kill the other side's clones while limiting your own losses. That's the objective, plain and simple. Adding another objective would make it skirmish and not an Ambush. And you just listed the exact reason nobody likes to play ambush and I still fail to realize when ambush only meant kill everything and that's it... What he just described sounds a lot like a gentle men's duel. Ha-ha-ha! Literally. It's not an ambush if both teams willing meet at the same gorch, or valley to slaughter one another. That is a skirmish, and simply put an arranged gentle men's duel. There is no objective. It borders on a bar fight. I mean if this was a supposed ambush then do explain why both sides obviously seem as if they were invited to come to a incursion which offers no real value? There is no objective to be had or won, and it seems all for nothing shy of selfish reasons. No team value whatsoever.
Carilito Algintal Core Gallente Federation 345	Posted - 2012.08.18 22:12:00 - [27] - Quote And yeah if you cant replace you loses sure you screwed but in this game Im pretty confident once the actual emplacements(IE: skyfire cannon, w/e the MCCs are trying to get to) are lost the ambush with nothing on it for control purposes gets pwned.
LIEUTENANT JORDAN BetaMax. 7	Posted - 2012.08.18 22:15:00 - [28] - Quote The only problem i have like most is that the spawn points are horrible but ambush makes a good practice mode.
Arpentis 28	Posted - 2012.08.18 22:16:00 - [29] - Quote Rorek IronBlood wrote: Arpentis wrote: [quote=Abron Quote: Arpentis- Because the objective is to kill the other side's clones while limiting your own losses. That's the objective, plain and simple. Adding another objective would make it skirmish and not an Ambush. And you just listed the exact reason nobody likes to play ambush and I still fail to realize when ambush only meant kill everything and that's it... What he just described sounds a lot like a gentle men's duel. Ha-ha-ha! Literally. It's not an ambush if both teams willing meet at the same gorch, or valley to slaughter one another. That is a skirmish, and simply put an arranged gentle men's duel. There is no objective. It borders on a bar fight. I mean if this was a supposed ambush then do explain why both sides obviously seem as if they were invited to come to a incursion which offers no real value? There is no objective to be had or won, and it seems all for nothing shy of selfish reasons. No team value whatsoever. My thoughts exactly
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 256	Posted - 2012.08.18 22:16:00 - [30] - Quote Arpentis wrote: [quote=Abron Quote: Arpentis- Because the objective is to kill the other side's clones while limiting your own losses. That's the objective, plain and simple. Adding another objective would make it skirmish and not an Ambush. And you just listed the exact reason nobody likes to play ambush and I still fail to realize when ambush only meant kill everything and that's it... Also based on your logic any game that has multiple game modes really only have one one game mode because all the game modes have objectives in them. Carlito- First, In the "Seeding the Universe" fanfest video someone asked if you could basically destroy a district without fighting over it as a scorched earth method. Both devs stated that wasn't a feature in game but might be if players asked for it. Secondly, OB has a cooldown and you have to have boots on the ground already fighting in order to use it. Arpentis- Nobody likes ambush? Funny, on the last build, Biomass and Communications usually had at least half the number of active players as skirmish had -Hardly nobody. As for objectives. What objective are you going to add that wouldn't step on the toes of skirmish and completely change the flavor of ambush? KotH style with one side trying to hold an area...that is just an organized campfest. Click this terminal? That's skirmish. I agree there are ways to make Ambush more varied in terms of gameplay, but not by adding more skirmish style objectives.



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