Very well said about the whole meta game stuff. A lot of the newcomers to the EVE verse need top understand there is this whole aspect of the game and not everything revolves around their leet skillz.

although i do have one nit pick here.....

i, as well as some of my buds are in the group where we will wait to see how KB+M is implemented and as long as there is not a huge disparity, we will stick with DS3.....

That is very unlikely tho, so ill prob have to go buy a keyboard i can use with my ps3....

If KB+M is more dominate I'll just delete it. Why should I be forced to use a control setu I don't like to be competitive. Every PS3 is sold with a ds3 not a kb+m!

What exactly is the advantage of the KB/M? I've only tried it a little in other games and feel I do far better against people with a controller than KB/M, but perhaps I'm missing this apparent elite advantage it gives people.

Also, I use a DS3 and sometimes Move, but I still use a keyboard to type. Just because I have no interested in KB/M right now doesn't mean I'm gonna be typing away like some idiot on the virtual keyboard when trying to have a conversation or entering in data, that's just common sense.

basically, anybody who has played any kind of fps on a pc will agree that the mouse is simply better for aiming. It is was faster and more accurate since its basically point and click rather than using a joystick......

Not everyone is good at using analog controls, but there are very few people who cant point and click....anybody who uses a computer knows how to point and click lol, there no fumbling with your aim when your surfing the internet and your trying to click links and buttons.

I've made statements along the lines of "The players using KBM will be the hardcore players in Null-sec, and the players using the DS3 will be the casual players in Hi-sec." Some DS3 users have taken offense to this, thinking I am giving them no credit for being good with the control style of their choice.

But let me elaborate on the differences between a casual player, and a hardcore player, New Eden style vs. CoD/BF/MAG style.

In the current console shooters, a casual player is probably someone who logs on, doesn't really try to hard, and just enjoys the game - win or lose. A hardcore player would be someone who logs on, does everything they can to win, and is conscious of their rankings on the leader board. This is probably a rather general description, but I'm sure you catch my drift.

Now, it is a little different with how New Eden works. A "casual" player in Dust, could just as well be called a hardcore player in another game, because the type of game is very different. Now, the reason for this is that Hi-sec will play very much like CoD/BF/MAG, in the sense that you will log on, queue up in matchmaking, play a match, and repeat. There will be leader boards, and probably some type of ranking system. Hardcore players in the current shooters will probably find their home here, if they want to have similar gameplay that they find in other currently popular games. There will probably be "hardcore" players and "casual" players within this area, as defined in other games, but to those that play in Null-sec, you will all be considered casual.

Why is that you may ask? Well, in Null-sec, there will be politics, there will be wars - very literally - there will be an economy to secure and keep stable, you will have to protect your planets, and your systems. There is much more to it, than just queueing up for a match.

If you are running a corporation, you will have to decide how much to tax your underlings, you will have to manage alliances, and keep your people happy. You will have to decide how much to pay the people in your corporation, and how much you are willing to pay to hire mercenaries. Also, running a corporation in Null-sec will be different than in Hi-sec, as you will now be able have assets worth much, much more - ie. planets, jump gates, and stations. And the politics will be a bit different as well.

And with all that, I say that the players in Null-sec, will most likely all be using KBM, as I don't think it would be very easy to manage all of these things, with a simple gamepad. If you have to discuss the terms of your alliance with another corporation, I don't think you'll want to be in several hours of negotiation, typing on a virtual keyboard with your DS3. If you have to manage all of your items on the market, and determine what to produce and how to price it, I don't think you will want to navigate the neocom and do research with your DS3. And as far as battles go, if you want to have every advantage that you can have over your enemy, I don't think you'll want to use your DS3.

This is what I mean by hardcore players will use KBM, and casual players will use the DS3. I'm not saying that all players currently on the PS3 don't care very much about the games they play, or that they are bad, or anything like that. I'm saying that they will find their home away from Null-sec. I'm saying that they wont be with the players that are always using KBM. They will find their home with the type of gameplay that suits them, and I'm sure they'll enjoy it very much. I think Dust 514 will give all types of players a home that suits them.

So then I'll just use Move since its the same thing?

Basically DS users are too stupid to have fun in null-sec or want to run a corp? That's nice. So every kb\m user is going to own a corporation and simultaneously fight in Null-sec then. I hope you enjoy your 1 v 1 battles then.

lol absolutely not......Move is a gimmick....sorry but it is...

if KB+M is well implemented, then you should choose between KB+M or DS3 based on your tastes.

If not, then your just gonna have to suck it up and go KB+M, and CCP will have a lot of splaining to do to angry players

Right? See its stuff like this that just encourages me to play against these KB/M people to prove a point. I love how people tell me I'm going to get my ass kicked before its even put to a test. Challenge Accepted?

Besides I've been playing EVE for a while, and I still prefer a controller over the KB/M. Doen't change the fact that I know very well what I'm doing with a corp and dealing with Nullsec life. Honestly I think people are just SO desperate to feel elite about something that they cling to the KB/M like it's some badge of honor that makes them more intelligent/capable of playing the game than us lowly DS3/Move users.

How exactly? Slight twist of the wrist to point where you want on the screen, how is that any different from the mouse? Ever tried Move in Killzone 3?

REALLY! Another KB&M thread, and all this crap about stuff 90% of people playing dust now, already know, not to mention everyone on these forums knows enough about EvE with out every know it all coming here going "mew mew mew, I know how things are and should be".

Everyone knows KB&M are a better combo for fps but this is on counsels not pc. I don't play ps3 with a table in front of me and don't want to. If KB&M aren't balanced than ya there will be sh!t covered fans.

But really another KB&M thread...

Not meant to be another KBM thread, meant to be a thread pointing out the differences between hardcore players in other games vs hardcore players in New Eden.

What I am saying, as that the meta game is going to be impossible with DS3. It will be time consuming, non-intuitive, and frustrating. I'm a console player, by no means a PC Elitist, but the fact of the matter is that corporations, the economy, and Sov are going to be easier to deal with, when using KBM vs a DS3

lol absolutely not......Move is a gimmick....sorry but it is...

if KB+M is well implemented, then you should choose between KB+M or DS3 based on your tastes.

If not, then your just gonna have to suck it up and go KB+M, and CCP will have a lot of splaining to do to angry players

um no im a casual gamer for cod, and I play eve. I prefer using a ds3 for console I dont want to have to use a mouse and keyboard to be competive in null sec. Thats unfair to even think everyone coming to this game from ds3 only games would just want to play matchs we want something diffrent we our hardcore gamers who want to do null sec warfare with our ds3 your assuming console player cant do all of that with our prefered method.

This has nothing to do with intelligence. That is not what I was trying to say at all.

What I am saying, as that the meta game is going to be impossible with DS3. It will be time consuming, non-intuitive, and frustrating. I'm a console player, by no means a PC Elitist, but the fact of the matter is that corporations, the economy, and Sov are going to be easier to deal with, when using KBM vs a DS3.

This was not meant to start another "Is KBM good for the game?" thread, this was meant to point out the differences between a CoD/BF/MAG player, and a hardcore EVE player. The fact of the matter is that at the end of the day, this game is very much an expansion of EVE, it is not a separate game - it is only a separate portal into the New Eden Universe.

@ santana

its not a KB+M thread, but trolls who post without even reading the prior posts make it that way.

Your not an elitest? Sound like a arrogant pc gamer if you ask me. You just said that are prefered method is unsuited to the null sec in our game on our system. Null sec wont be for hardcore console gamers is what your saying ever thought we tired of being hardcore for cod maybe we want to try something new somethings thats not filled with arrogent pc gamers like you. Ds3 and k/m can be equally used for null sec politcs as for typing on the pads keyboard who does that hardcore console gamers have headsets and live chat. As for navigate the screen ccp needs to make it easy for us to use our game aspect all of them.

No, I'm not.

Let me ask you something - did you ever spend money on something, they would help you improve your gameplay in EVE? Something like a better video card, so that you can turn the effects up to more easily understand what is going on, or perhaps a second screen, so that you can have the forums and market open on one to do research and politics, while having EVE open on the other? Maybe you bought a better mouse, or a nicer keyboard.

My point is that someone who is hardcore into Dust, and is fighting Sov wars and engaging in Corporation politics, is going to do whatever they can, to make themselves better. If KBM were not made native to the game, the hardcore players would go out, and buy either and Eagle Eye, or a XIM3. Guess what happens then? You get dominated and have to way to combat those players unless you are willing to drop money on extra accessories.

Again, this thread is not about KBM, it's about Hardcore New Eden vs Hardcore CoD/BF/MAG. It is a very different world, and people will do much more to ensure victory.

Your not an elitest? Sound like a arrogant pc gamer if you ask me. You just said that are prefered method is unsuited to the null sec in our game on our system. Null sec wont be for hardcore console gamers is what your saying ever thought we tired of being hardcore for cod maybe we want to try something new somethings thats not filled with arrogent pc gamers like you. Ds3 and k/m can be equally used for null sec politcs as for typing on the pads keyboard who does that hardcore console gamers have headsets and live chat. As for navigate the screen ccp needs to make it easy for us to use our game aspect all of them.

He's saying Kb\m players are more hard core than DS players, it doesn't matter how subtle he writes it.