No, I'm not.

Let me ask you something - did you ever spend money on something, they would help you improve your gameplay in EVE? Something like a better video card, so that you can turn the effects up to more easily understand what is going on, or perhaps a second screen, so that you can have the forums and market open on one to do research and politics, while having EVE open on the other? Maybe you bought a better mouse, or a nicer keyboard.

My point is that someone who is hardcore into Dust, and is fighting Sov wars and engaging in Corporation politics, is going to do whatever they can, to make themselves better. If KBM were not made native to the game, the hardcore players would go out, and buy either and Eagle Eye, or a XIM3. Guess what happens then? You get dominated and have to way to combat those players unless you are willing to drop money on extra accessories.

Again, this thread is not about KBM, it's about Hardcore New Eden vs Hardcore CoD/BF/MAG. It is a very different world, and people will do much more to ensure victory.

Your not an elitest? Sound like a arrogant pc gamer if you ask me. You just said that are prefered method is unsuited to the null sec in our game on our system. Null sec wont be for hardcore console gamers is what your saying ever thought we tired of being hardcore for cod maybe we want to try something new somethings thats not filled with arrogent pc gamers like you. Ds3 and k/m can be equally used for null sec politcs as for typing on the pads keyboard who does that hardcore console gamers have headsets and live chat. As for navigate the screen ccp needs to make it easy for us to use our game aspect all of them.

He's saying Kb\m players are more hard core than DS players, it doesn't matter how subtle he writes it.

Your not an elitest? Sound like a arrogant pc gamer if you ask me. You just said that are prefered method is unsuited to the null sec in our game on our system. Null sec wont be for hardcore console gamers is what your saying ever thought we tired of being hardcore for cod maybe we want to try something new somethings thats not filled with arrogent pc gamers like you. Ds3 and k/m can be equally used for null sec politcs as for typing on the pads keyboard who does that hardcore console gamers have headsets and live chat. As for navigate the screen ccp needs to make it easy for us to use our game aspect all of them.

On the topic of negotiations why use text chat when we will have in game voice chat?

Because email and text chat are the dominate means of communication in the New Eden Universe.

Your not an elitest? Sound like a arrogant pc gamer if you ask me. You just said that are prefered method is unsuited to the null sec in our game on our system. Null sec wont be for hardcore console gamers is what your saying ever thought we tired of being hardcore for cod maybe we want to try something new somethings thats not filled with arrogent pc gamers like you. Ds3 and k/m can be equally used for null sec politcs as for typing on the pads keyboard who does that hardcore console gamers have headsets and live chat. As for navigate the screen ccp needs to make it easy for us to use our game aspect all of them.

He's saying Kb\m players are more hard core than DS players, it doesn't matter how subtle he writes it.

bud, i dont think your understanding what the OP is trying to say.....

He is saying that a hardcore gamer from EVE and a hardcore player from ______ FPS are very different types of people. Hardcore in EVE doesnt mean leet skillz, it means your VERY involved in the game and have a huge time and money investment into your character. These types of people will be crossing over once Dust releases and he's simply talking about the extent to which these people will affect the Null-sec gameplay. I would agree that anybody, pc or console, who hasnt played EVE before doesnt realise just how crazy some of these people from EVE are.....im not a fanboy or anything, but it is a fact that the OP has a good point...

No I never bought anything to improve my gaming experince why for the same reason console gamers absolutely hate pc gamers im broke I have to save up to afford one next gen console I cant go out and buy alot of little add ons im broke. I play eve on my gimpy old laptop.

But he doesnt understand what I getting at why should we change on OUR system to be hardcore on a game we like

Firstly, not everyone plays in the most powerful corp, and not everyone in null sec leads the most powerful corp, and one cannot take example wholly from one small part of one game, and brush another game in its entirety with it. Also, any corp in dust will inevitably have as its bulk, ground soldiers, ie the shooters. How do you plan on getting those shooters when 99% percent of the people who plan on being them won't want to use it. I have no problem with using a KB\m for the non shooting aspects of the game, but for the shooting aspects, leave kb\m out, or the game will end up with a smaller player base than mag.
Secondly, I think you should look at your post, that's entirely how it reads. Derogatory towards DS users, Overtoned with fallacies about why k\bm is necessary for the entire game.

Ah, gotchya. Then a better question is - if you had the capability to purchase extra screens, better peripherals, and other accessories that would improve you gameplay and efficiency, would you?

Ah, gotchya. Then a better question is - if you had the capability to purchase extra screens, better peripherals, and other accessories that would improve you gameplay and efficiency, would you?

Yes I do, I understand perfectly well what you are saying. What you aren't understanding, is that if you don't want to, someone else is still going to, and it may cost you a planet, a system, possibly even everything that you own in the game. What you are misunderstanding, is that a Hardcore player in New Eden, is a very different animal than what you are used to.

But I cant im broke and alot of other people our in the same boat why should I have to fork over more money to be hardcore on a game I like. But yes I would buy extra but I cant and no mater of hoping going to change that.

This is kinda the heart of the console wars and console pc wars. People have to pay money for one system to play on for fun they cant afford that other system so they argue about which is better because they dont want to feel like they wasted money on a crappy system. For the pc gamers its diffrent yall can afford pc and consoles and extras which is why the k/m argument is so intense you have the unrivaled abilty to splurge and buy everything you need we cant always do that. The heart of the k/m issue is the console vs pc wars and the heart of that is money.

+1 for truth

But I cant im broke and alot of other people our in the same boat why should I have to fork over more money to be hardcore on a game I like. But yes I would buy extra but I cant and no mater of hoping going to change that.

This is kinda the heart of the console wars and console pc wars. People have to pay money for one system to play on for fun they cant afford that other system so they argue about which is better because they dont want to feel like they wasted money on a crappy system. For the pc gamers its diffrent yall can afford pc and consoles and extras which is why the k/m argument is so intense you have the unrivaled abilty to splurge and buy everything you need we cant always do that. The heart of the k/m issue is the console vs pc wars and the heart of that is money.

If your tying this post with my other post, you misunderstood what I meant about economics.

very good point. Money is the issue, and while PC is better, not everyone has the funding to be able to buy a great rig.

What is even more of a focal issue is that Dust, for the time being, is a console game and KB+M is just around the corner.

Again, you dont have to like it, but your sure as hell gonna have to deal with it.

I know its coming this thread isnt about that this thread is about ds3 not being comeptive enough and only hardcore gamers will use k/m. I want to do the hardcore metagame stuff with my ds3 ccp needs to make it flowing and avalible for us. I dont want to have to waste money on extra stuff to simple play the hardcore aspect of the game. Im stuborn and prideful enough that im going to use ds3 for the meta game stuff regardless I know its coming but hardcore gaming shouldnt just be for k/m users it should be easly usable for ds3 users aswell. I annoyed that he thinks that I will have to get a k/m to do the hardcore atuff and that his way is better.