I've made statements along the lines of "The players using KBM will be the hardcore players in Null-sec, and the players using the DS3 will be the casual players in Hi-sec." Some DS3 users have taken offense to this, thinking I am giving them no credit for being good with the control style of their choice.

But let me elaborate on the differences between a casual player, and a hardcore player, New Eden style vs. CoD/BF/MAG style.

In the current console shooters, a casual player is probably someone who logs on, doesn't really try to hard, and just enjoys the game - win or lose. A hardcore player would be someone who logs on, does everything they can to win, and is conscious of their rankings on the leader board. This is probably a rather general description, but I'm sure you catch my drift.

Now, it is a little different with how New Eden works. A "casual" player in Dust, could just as well be called a hardcore player in another game, because the type of game is very different. Now, the reason for this is that Hi-sec will play very much like CoD/BF/MAG, in the sense that you will log on, queue up in matchmaking, play a match, and repeat. There will be leader boards, and probably some type of ranking system. Hardcore players in the current shooters will probably find their home here, if they want to have similar gameplay that they find in other currently popular games. There will probably be "hardcore" players and "casual" players within this area, as defined in other games, but to those that play in Null-sec, you will all be considered casual.

Why is that you may ask? Well, in Null-sec, there will be politics, there will be wars - very literally - there will be an economy to secure and keep stable, you will have to protect your planets, and your systems. There is much more to it, than just queueing up for a match.

If you are running a corporation, you will have to decide how much to tax your underlings, you will have to manage alliances, and keep your people happy. You will have to decide how much to pay the people in your corporation, and how much you are willing to pay to hire mercenaries. Also, running a corporation in Null-sec will be different than in Hi-sec, as you will now be able have assets worth much, much more - ie. planets, jump gates, and stations. And the politics will be a bit different as well.

And with all that, I say that the players in Null-sec, will most likely all be using KBM, as I don't think it would be very easy to manage all of these things, with a simple gamepad. If you have to discuss the terms of your alliance with another corporation, I don't think you'll want to be in several hours of negotiation, typing on a virtual keyboard with your DS3. If you have to manage all of your items on the market, and determine what to produce and how to price it, I don't think you will want to navigate the neocom and do research with your DS3. And as far as battles go, if you want to have every advantage that you can have over your enemy, I don't think you'll want to use your DS3.

This is what I mean by hardcore players will use KBM, and casual players will use the DS3. I'm not saying that all players currently on the PS3 don't care very much about the games they play, or that they are bad, or anything like that. I'm saying that they will find their home away from Null-sec. I'm saying that they wont be with the players that are always using KBM. They will find their home with the type of gameplay that suits them, and I'm sure they'll enjoy it very much. I think Dust 514 will give all types of players a home that suits them.

lol absolutely not......Move is a gimmick....sorry but it is...

if KB+M is well implemented, then you should choose between KB+M or DS3 based on your tastes.

If not, then your just gonna have to suck it up and go KB+M, and CCP will have a lot of splaining to do to angry players

@ santana

its not a KB+M thread, but trolls who post without even reading the prior posts make it that way.

Issue #1 I have with your post - your grammar ******* sucks. That was way to hard to read.

Issue #2 "Your system" is also my system. The games I play on PC are League of Legends, and Smite. I am not a PC elitist.


No, I'm not. I'm saying that in the New Eden Universe, the most powerful corp is going to be made of the people willing do whatever they can to win.

I have nothing against the DS3, I use it frequently. In fact I use it for FPS gaming far more than I do a KBM. The point I am making, is that the hardcore players will find a way to win, regardless of whether or not it means spending extra money, so they can stomp you. Hardcore New Eden, is very different from Hardcore anything else (except maybe PlanetSide? I have no clue what that community is like).

But I cant im broke and alot of other people our in the same boat why should I have to fork over more money to be hardcore on a game I like. But yes I would buy extra but I cant and no mater of hoping going to change that.

This is kinda the heart of the console wars and console pc wars. People have to pay money for one system to play on for fun they cant afford that other system so they argue about which is better because they dont want to feel like they wasted money on a crappy system. For the pc gamers its diffrent yall can afford pc and consoles and extras which is why the k/m argument is so intense you have the unrivaled abilty to splurge and buy everything you need we cant always do that. The heart of the k/m issue is the console vs pc wars and the heart of that is money.

Elitism is not about money, it's about being right. I am not an elitist either way, consoles are great, PC's are great.

The point I am making however, is that if someone can purchase something that will make them play better than you (meta game or gun game) they are going to do so. New Eden is a very different world than anything else.

No, wasn't meant to be tied. I would've shortened the quote and put them both in the same post if that were the case.

My point is that the players that are the Hardcore New Eden players, are going to use KBM whether it's naturally available or not. So you either allow all players to have all of the options available to them, or gimp some players and others will shine like the sun.

It is EVE, you seem to be missing that. Instead of being a capsuleer, you are a mercenary. But you are in the same world, fighting the same wars, for the same corporations, and the same stars and planets. You are buying and selling on the same market, producing the same merchandise. This is not exactly a "new" game, it's a lot more like an expansion pack.

but EVE and Dust are way more connected than a ps3 and psp lol

then you fundamentally dont understand how the EVE-Dust connection works.

The same way the PSP is not the PS3, even though their connected. Basically what I'm saying is, I'm a merc, my friend is a capsuleer, that even though we play in the New Eden universe, he plays eve and I play dust. I'm not playing eve on my ps3, and he's not playing Dust on his PC, and neither of us exist in the superior plain of existence in which we all are apart of a hivemind. It makes absolute sense. Just because me and a chimp are both primates, doesn't mean I live in trees.

ill agree with you there

what i was saying was simply that they arent in some "alternate sphere" or anything like that where they are two different games with a similar backdrop and some cosmetic link. They are the same game, with events in EVE directly linking to Dust. If an EVE corp beats the **** out of someone, that has happened in Dust.

But no, they are not carbon copies where you can play dust on pc or EVE on ps3 like you seem to have thought i was saying, and i apologize if i was unclear.