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Osiris Greywolf Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2012.08.09 00:19:00 - [61] - Quote Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Avenger 245 wrote: I know its coming this thread isnt about that this thread is about ds3 not being comeptive enough and only hardcore gamers will use k/m. I want to do the hardcore metagame stuff with my ds3 ccp needs to make it flowing and avalible for us. I dont want to have to waste money on extra stuff to simple play the hardcore aspect of the game. Im stuborn and prideful enough that im going to use ds3 for the meta game stuff regardless I know its coming but hardcore gaming shouldnt just be for k/m users it should be easly usable for ds3 users aswell. I annoyed that he thinks that I will have to get a k/m to do the hardcore atuff and that his way is better. cant speak for the OP, but i certainly wasnt implying you had to go KB+M on release. I will say tho that if CCP doesnt implement KB+M the right way, somethings gonna be the "best" form of control and people will use that. My point is that the players that are the Hardcore New Eden players, are going to use KBM whether it's naturally available or not. So you either allow all players to have all of the options available to them, or gimp some players and others will shine like the sun. And how many hardcore new Eden players will play dust? 1 for every 1000 I'd imagine at most. Give kb\m to more, and what's more support it, youll lose far more players than you'd get not supporting it. Sure they'll go out of their way to get it, and they will get eagle eye, which will improve their gameplay, but a vast majority won't care. Why? Because they've seen it before, and they will stay with DS3, and with DUST
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.09 00:19:00 - [62] - Quote Belzeebub Santana wrote: Whadda say, another KB&M thread, needs to be locked. If it gets implemented for the gun game and isn't balanced, there goes player base. Who wants to be owned by someone with more money. Seems like a pay to win. All these pc guys saying how hard eve is and they can't get their brains wrapped around how to use a pad... ironic. Guess what it takes a bit of practice to get gud with a pad, doesn't just happen so start practicing, and stop using a crutch. If this is implemented I hope it's balanced, I know I can play both but why force people pay to be gud. sigh...... if you dont like this thread, dont read it again....pay to win? get out of here..... I do quite well with with the DS3, i certainly am not complaining. dont generalize me please cause there was a whole lot more wrong with your post than what we have in the entire thread
GamerEvan77 One-Armed Bandits Orbital Rights 8	Posted - 2012.08.09 00:19:00 - [63] - Quote If matchmaking is good, then the casual will have their own space to play in. I just hope that the game improves to the point where anyone can truly pick up and play, and still be competitive. I'm not talking about joining and getting wrecked. I'm talking about still impacting the universe with crucial battles and victories, despite not being involved with the most dedicated players. I also hope that the gap between the hardcore and casual won't be extremely wide. I hope that both can co-exist in certain areas of the universe, not each group having their own. If CCP can pull it off, then despite the fact that there will be areas the casual shouldn't wander, they will still be able to at least put up a decent fight. One way to do that in my opinion, would be to beef up the default classes. Right now, at least in my opinion, you either have to be running proto everything, or be a vehicle abuser to be good at the game. New players using the default militia gear classes are at a severe disadvantage. I want it to be like any other shooter where a new player has a decent chance to be effective because they have ok weapons and tech to start with. If they do this, then this well be an incredible game.
4447 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 649	Posted - 2012.08.09 00:20:00 - [64] - Quote the most biased post ever i mean just because you play with a control your not a hardcore gamer. being a hardcore, it's about the hours you put into a game not because you use a kb/m.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.09 00:20:00 - [65] - Quote 4447 wrote: the most biased post ever i mean just because you play with a control your not a hardcore gamer. being a hardcore, it's about the hours you put into a game not because you use a kb/m. +1
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.09 00:33:00 - [66] - Quote 4447 wrote: the most biased post ever i mean just because you play with a control your not a hardcore gamer. being a hardcore, it's about the hours you put into a game not because you use a kb/m. Partially true yes, but is a hardcore player not going to find every advantage that they can, to ensure victory?
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.09 00:34:00 - [67] - Quote Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: 4447 wrote: the most biased post ever i mean just because you play with a control your not a hardcore gamer. being a hardcore, it's about the hours you put into a game not because you use a kb/m. Partially true yes, but is a hardcore player not going to find every advantage that they can, to ensure victory? ya, but we have no idea how that will be done until release. We dont even have KB+M or strikes yet so this is all just a lot of speculation
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.09 00:38:00 - [68] - Quote Osiris Greywolf wrote: And how many hardcore new Eden players will play dust? 1 for every 1000 I'd imagine at most. Give kb\m to more, and what's more support it, youll lose far more players than you'd get not supporting it. Sure they'll go out of their way to get it, and they will get eagle eye, which will improve their gameplay, but a vast majority won't care. Why? Because they've seen it before, and they will stay with DS3, and with DUST You don't seem to get that Dust *-is-* EVE. And EVE -*-is-* Dust. The games can work without each other, but they are meant to be extensions of each other. You're making it sound like Dust is meant to be separate from EVE, when the entire goal is to have them tied so tightly together. Dust is meant to be a less complex portal into the New Eden Universe, and it is hoped that players will try Dust, like it, and in turn, try EVE. It is not only meant to be a means of gaining a new fan base, but a path to enlarge their current one.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.09 00:39:00 - [69] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: 4447 wrote: the most biased post ever i mean just because you play with a control your not a hardcore gamer. being a hardcore, it's about the hours you put into a game not because you use a kb/m. Partially true yes, but is a hardcore player not going to find every advantage that they can, to ensure victory? ya, but we have no idea how that will be done until release. We dont even have KB+M or strikes yet so this is all just a lot of speculation We get that all in the next couple weeks though.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.09 00:41:00 - [70] - Quote Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: Osiris Greywolf wrote: And how many hardcore new Eden players will play dust? 1 for every 1000 I'd imagine at most. Give kb\m to more, and what's more support it, youll lose far more players than you'd get not supporting it. Sure they'll go out of their way to get it, and they will get eagle eye, which will improve their gameplay, but a vast majority won't care. Why? Because they've seen it before, and they will stay with DS3, and with DUST You don't seem to get that Dust *-is-* EVE. And EVE -*-is-* Dust. The games can work without each other, but they are meant to be extensions of each other. You're making it sound like Dust is meant to be separate from EVE, when the entire goal is to have them tied so tightly together. Dust is meant to be a less complex portal into the New Eden Universe, and it is hoped that players will try Dust, like it, and in turn, try EVE. It is not only meant to be a means of gaining a new fan base, but a path to enlarge their current one. this is so true tho

Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.09 00:41:00 - [71] - Quote Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: 4447 wrote: the most biased post ever i mean just because you play with a control your not a hardcore gamer. being a hardcore, it's about the hours you put into a game not because you use a kb/m. Partially true yes, but is a hardcore player not going to find every advantage that they can, to ensure victory? ya, but we have no idea how that will be done until release. We dont even have KB+M or strikes yet so this is all just a lot of speculation We get that all in the next couple weeks though. screams like a japanese schoolgirl
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.09 00:44:00 - [72] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: screams like a japanese schoolgirl Errm, we -should- get all that I should say. It may be some what dribbled into the game within the next build. But I read that on the IRC the dev's said that the next build will be on SiSi, so orbital strikes and corps and all that fun stuff is certainly right around the corner!
WT Sherman Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 63	Posted - 2012.08.09 00:46:00 - [73] - Quote I think that people have been misunderstanding what the OP meant by hard core gamer in a fps and hard core in EVE. Yes, I am a long time EVE player and my last fps was Halo but I have been looking forward to Dust for years. I joined a clan in order to be with experienced fps players with a good community already established. I made the below post on our forums to try to explain to them the difference between most games and what happens in EVE. All the EVE players will recognize the vid and all the people new to EVE should watch it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrYe_4vHzgE&feature=fvwrel Rooks and Kings Clarion Call 3, there is a reason over 145k people have watched this vid. My last player corp was AHARM and I was there for most of the fights with R&K. This video is important in that some of EVE's best players are going to also be playing Dust. This vid spans almost a year and the final outcome didn't come till after it was posted. R&K have no presence in wormhole space. They were evicted by AHARM. After the first engagement where AHARM kicked their butt, R&K spent weeks on sisi, the test server, to figure out how we had done it. Then they spent almost a year trying to get revenge. Yes they won a battle or two but they eventually lost the war. The point is that this conflict lasted over a year and the potential is there for it to happen in Dust also. These are hard core gamers and they take their games very seriously.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.09 00:51:00 - [74] - Quote WT Sherman wrote: I think that people have been misunderstanding what the OP meant by hard core gamer in a fps and hard core in EVE. Yes, I am a long time EVE player and my last fps was Halo but I have been looking forward to Dust for years. I joined a clan in order to be with experienced fps players with a good community already established. I made the below post on our forums to try to explain to them the difference between most games and what happens in EVE. All the EVE players will recognize the vid and all the people new to EVE should watch it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrYe_4vHzgE&feature=fvwrel Rooks and Kings Clarion Call 3, there is a reason over 145k people have watched this vid. My last player corp was AHARM and I was there for most of the fights with R&K. This video is important in that some of EVE's best players are going to also be playing Dust. This vid spans almost a year and the final outcome didn't come till after it was posted. R&K have no presence in wormhole space. They were evicted by AHARM. After the first engagement where AHARM kicked their butt, R&K spent weeks on sisi, the test server, to figure out how we had done it. Then they spent almost a year trying to get revenge. Yes they won a battle or two but they eventually lost the war. The point is that this conflict lasted over a year and the potential is there for it to happen in Dust also. These are hard core gamers and they take their games very seriously. Excellent, real life experience to help back up my point. I haven't ever been involved with EVE corps (only played for 3 months) but I have read of conflicts like this. It seems to me that some people don't understand the difference between a rivalry between clans in most FPS games, and a year long war between 2 or more clans in EVE.c Off topic, is wormhole space separate from the starmap that is displayed? Or is it part of 0.0 space?
Osiris Greywolf Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2012.08.09 00:52:00 - [75] - Quote Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: Osiris Greywolf wrote: And how many hardcore new Eden players will play dust? 1 for every 1000 I'd imagine at most. Give kb\m to more, and what's more support it, youll lose far more players than you'd get not supporting it. Sure they'll go out of their way to get it, and they will get eagle eye, which will improve their gameplay, but a vast majority won't care. Why? Because they've seen it before, and they will stay with DS3, and with DUST You don't seem to get that Dust *-is-* EVE. And EVE -*-is-* Dust. The games can work without each other, but they are meant to be extensions of each other. You're making it sound like Dust is meant to be separate from EVE, when the entire goal is to have them tied so tightly together. Dust is meant to be a less complex portal into the New Eden Universe, and it is hoped that players will try Dust, like it, and in turn, try EVE. It is not only meant to be a means of gaining a new fan base, but a path to enlarge their current one. Can't work without each other, the devs themselves said they can. As for dust being eve, why bother giving it a new name, and wheres all the spaceships? And the POSs? And the massive Universe? And the Trading? And the.... You get the drill. They exist in the same universe, and, yes there is an extreme amount of interaction in them, you shouldn't pretend they don't have any differences. One involves space, the other involves ground work, one involves Shooting, the other, flying. as for dust meaning to be a less complex portal into EvE, it's meant to be an alternate sphere of New Eden, and if that leads to players wanting to try out EvE, that's great, but that doesn't make it some highly priced advertising tool.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.09 00:59:00 - [76] - Quote Osiris Greywolf wrote: Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: Osiris Greywolf wrote: And how many hardcore new Eden players will play dust? 1 for every 1000 I'd imagine at most. Give kb\m to more, and what's more support it, youll lose far more players than you'd get not supporting it. Sure they'll go out of their way to get it, and they will get eagle eye, which will improve their gameplay, but a vast majority won't care. Why? Because they've seen it before, and they will stay with DS3, and with DUST You don't seem to get that Dust *-is-* EVE. And EVE -*-is-* Dust. The games can work without each other, but they are meant to be extensions of each other. You're making it sound like Dust is meant to be separate from EVE, when the entire goal is to have them tied so tightly together. Dust is meant to be a less complex portal into the New Eden Universe, and it is hoped that players will try Dust, like it, and in turn, try EVE. It is not only meant to be a means of gaining a new fan base, but a path to enlarge their current one. Can't work without each other, the devs themselves said they can. As for dust being eve, why bother giving it a new name, and wheres all the spaceships? And the POSs? And the massive Universe? And the Trading? And the.... You get the drill. They exist in the same universe, and, yes there is an extreme amount of interaction in them, you shouldn't pretend they don't have any differences. One involves space, the other involves ground work, one involves Shooting, the other, flying. as for dust meaning to be a less complex portal into EvE, it's meant to be an alternate sphere of New Eden, and if that leads to players wanting to try out EvE, that's great, but that doesn't make it some highly priced advertising tool. But its NOT an alternate sphere.....its the SAME. You just are using a single merc instead of a ship. There will be trading and all the stuff.....i dont think you understand that..... Look at the Dust logo on the top left of the site, tell me what it says over Dust. Hint: -EVE-
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.09 01:00:00 - [77] - Quote Osiris Greywolf wrote: Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: You don't seem to get that Dust *-is-* EVE. And EVE -*-is-* Dust. The games can work without each other, but they are meant to be extensions of each other. You're making it sound like Dust is meant to be separate from EVE, when the entire goal is to have them tied so tightly together. Dust is meant to be a less complex portal into the New Eden Universe, and it is hoped that players will try Dust, like it, and in turn, try EVE. It is not only meant to be a means of gaining a new fan base, but a path to enlarge their current one. Can't work without each other, the devs themselves said they can. As for dust being eve, why bother giving it a new name, and wheres all the spaceships? And the POSs? And the massive Universe? And the Trading? And the.... You get the drill. They exist in the same universe, and, yes there is an extreme amount of interaction in them, you shouldn't pretend they don't have any differences. One involves space, the other involves ground work, one involves Shooting, the other, flying. as for dust meaning to be a less complex portal into EvE, it's meant to be an alternate sphere of New Eden, and if that leads to players wanting to try out EvE, that's great, but that doesn't make it some highly priced advertising tool. Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: The games can work without each other, but they are meant to be extensions of each other. Reread that line. As for the name, why don't you look at the 3 letters above Dust 514 at the top of this page. The space ships are orbitiing us, not really sure what POS means (other than PieceOfShit) the massive universe is an easy one - open the neocom, select "battle finder" select "starmap" TA DA! - the trading is easy as well, future builds. The economy is meant to become fluid, everyone will produce, everyone will consume, and there will be a very large absence of NPC seeding. They exist in the same universe because they are extensions of the same world. The interaction isn't just to say "hey look, our orbital strike is cooler than yours" it's to say "look what we have done, we created one world on two systems, that work in harmony to create this universe that is entirely governed by players". Edit: Lurchasaurus wrote: But its NOT an alternate sphere.....its the SAME. You just are using a single merc instead of a ship. There will be trading and all the stuff.....i dont think you understand that..... Look at the Dust logo on the top left of the site, tell me what it says over Dust. Hint: -EVE- Aw man, you beat me to it!
Stabber McShank Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 22	Posted - 2012.08.09 01:01:00 - [78] - Quote Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: If you dont do everything you can to win, sometimes someone else is gonna take advantage of that.. This is one of the points most of the PS3 players just don't understand. Eve has some of the craziest players of any game out there. The MOMENT you start threatening the finances/control of the larger successful alliances (null sec, low sec, high sec doesn't matter) they WILL do everything in their power to crush you. I am not only talking about everything in their power "in game", I am literally talking everything in their power. Buying some hardware to get an edge is just the beginning. You are talking about a game where people have spent THOUSANDS of dollars to buy a single ship that once destroyed is gone forever. You are talking about a game where people will hack your voice coms and forums just to distract you during the initial invasion of a war. You are talking about a game where people have done Denial of Service Attacks against alliances just to **** them off. You are talking about a game where someone cut the power to another persons house just so they could kill him in game (I swear to god those Russians are CRAZY. NEVER POKE THE RUSSIAN BEAR!!). You are talking about a game where alliances have literally had 1000+ players online for an entire month to keep another alliance from even undocking while their space was burned around them (see Hell camp of PR-) It isn't about "hardcore FPS" vs "hardcore PC". It is about a 9 year old game that has been designed around the concept of every loss hurts and only the sociopaths get ahead. The moment those sociopaths think you are going to cut into their profits (because it is all about profit and control), they are going to turn on you. And if Eagle Eye/GIMX gives them an advantage you can be sure it WILL be used.
Belzeebub Santana SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 409	Posted - 2012.08.09 01:01:00 - [79] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Belzeebub Santana wrote: Whadda say, another KB&M thread, needs to be locked. If it gets implemented for the gun game and isn't balanced, there goes player base. Who wants to be owned by someone with more money. Seems like a pay to win. All these pc guys saying how hard eve is and they can't get their brains wrapped around how to use a pad... ironic. Guess what it takes a bit of practice to get gud with a pad, doesn't just happen so start practicing, and stop using a crutch. If this is implemented I hope it's balanced, I know I can play both but why force people pay to be gud. sigh...... if you dont like this thread, dont read it again....pay to win? get out of here..... I do quite well with with the DS3, i certainly am not complaining. dont generalize me please cause there was a whole lot more wrong with your post than what we have in the entire thread Didn't see where I was adressing you but yes pay to win is a bit sensational. I agree with you on how this isn't out yet and we shall see what they do and how to test it. Topic is fine it's that there are how many kb&m threads now? We shall see how this all plays out and it will be entertaining either way.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.09 01:01:00 - [80] - Quote Dust players will have e-sports and PvE and high sec stuff if they dont want to deal with EVE, that doesnt mean Dust will be a standalone....The market is still directly involved and other things. They just wont have to get involved with the meta game and EVE corps if they dont want to.

Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.09 01:03:00 - [81] - Quote Belzeebub Santana wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Belzeebub Santana wrote: Whadda say, another KB&M thread, needs to be locked. If it gets implemented for the gun game and isn't balanced, there goes player base. Who wants to be owned by someone with more money. Seems like a pay to win. All these pc guys saying how hard eve is and they can't get their brains wrapped around how to use a pad... ironic. Guess what it takes a bit of practice to get gud with a pad, doesn't just happen so start practicing, and stop using a crutch. If this is implemented I hope it's balanced, I know I can play both but why force people pay to be gud. sigh...... if you dont like this thread, dont read it again....pay to win? get out of here..... I do quite well with with the DS3, i certainly am not complaining. dont generalize me please cause there was a whole lot more wrong with your post than what we have in the entire thread Didn't see where I was adressing you but yes pay to win is a bit sensational. I agree with you on how this isn't out yet and we shall see what they do and how to test it. Topic is fine it's that there are how many kb&m threads now? We shall see how this all plays out and it will be entertaining either way. but it didnt start out as a KB+M thread, some troll came in and labeled it as that and the discussion turned that direction for a lil bit. edit: took a look and you were the troll lol
Osiris Greywolf Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2012.08.09 01:05:00 - [82] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Osiris Greywolf wrote: Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: Osiris Greywolf wrote: And how many hardcore new Eden players will play dust? 1 for every 1000 I'd imagine at most. Give kb\m to more, and what's more support it, youll lose far more players than you'd get not supporting it. Sure they'll go out of their way to get it, and they will get eagle eye, which will improve their gameplay, but a vast majority won't care. Why? Because they've seen it before, and they will stay with DS3, and with DUST You don't seem to get that Dust *-is-* EVE. And EVE -*-is-* Dust. The games can work without each other, but they are meant to be extensions of each other. You're making it sound like Dust is meant to be separate from EVE, when the entire goal is to have them tied so tightly together. Dust is meant to be a less complex portal into the New Eden Universe, and it is hoped that players will try Dust, like it, and in turn, try EVE. It is not only meant to be a means of gaining a new fan base, but a path to enlarge their current one. Can't work without each other, the devs themselves said they can. As for dust being eve, why bother giving it a new name, and wheres all the spaceships? And the POSs? And the massive Universe? And the Trading? And the.... You get the drill. They exist in the same universe, and, yes there is an extreme amount of interaction in them, you shouldn't pretend they don't have any differences. One involves space, the other involves ground work, one involves Shooting, the other, flying. as for dust meaning to be a less complex portal into EvE, it's meant to be an alternate sphere of New Eden, and if that leads to players wanting to try out EvE, that's great, but that doesn't make it some highly priced advertising tool. But its NOT an alternate sphere.....its the SAME. You just are using a single merc instead of a ship. There will be trading and all the stuff.....i dont think you understand that..... Look at the Dust logo on the top left of the site, tell me what it says over Dust. Hint: -EVE- It is an alternate sphere, its set in the New Eden universe, and offers an alternate sphere. Yep it says eve over the logo. And? Do you take all advertising you see so literally? Does apple sell apples?
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.09 01:06:00 - [83] - Quote Belzeebub Santana wrote: Didn't see where I was adressing you but yes pay to win is a bit sensational. I agree with you on how this isn't out yet and we shall see what they do and how to test it. Topic is fine it's that there are how many kb&m threads now? We shall see how this all plays out and it will be entertaining either way. This isn't meant to be another KBM thread, it's meant to be a thread pointing out the differences between hardcore players in EVE, and "hardcore" players in any other game. It's a different level of hardcore. Providing you with one extra tool to help you, is CCP's way of giving you a chance in the world. This is not an easy universe to gain a presence in.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.09 01:08:00 - [84] - Quote Osiris Greywolf wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Osiris Greywolf wrote: Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: Osiris Greywolf wrote: And how many hardcore new Eden players will play dust? 1 for every 1000 I'd imagine at most. Give kb\m to more, and what's more support it, youll lose far more players than you'd get not supporting it. Sure they'll go out of their way to get it, and they will get eagle eye, which will improve their gameplay, but a vast majority won't care. Why? Because they've seen it before, and they will stay with DS3, and with DUST You don't seem to get that Dust *-is-* EVE. And EVE -*-is-* Dust. The games can work without each other, but they are meant to be extensions of each other. You're making it sound like Dust is meant to be separate from EVE, when the entire goal is to have them tied so tightly together. Dust is meant to be a less complex portal into the New Eden Universe, and it is hoped that players will try Dust, like it, and in turn, try EVE. It is not only meant to be a means of gaining a new fan base, but a path to enlarge their current one. Can't work without each other, the devs themselves said they can. As for dust being eve, why bother giving it a new name, and wheres all the spaceships? And the POSs? And the massive Universe? And the Trading? And the.... You get the drill. They exist in the same universe, and, yes there is an extreme amount of interaction in them, you shouldn't pretend they don't have any differences. One involves space, the other involves ground work, one involves Shooting, the other, flying. as for dust meaning to be a less complex portal into EvE, it's meant to be an alternate sphere of New Eden, and if that leads to players wanting to try out EvE, that's great, but that doesn't make it some highly priced advertising tool. But its NOT an alternate sphere.....its the SAME. You just are using a single merc instead of a ship. There will be trading and all the stuff.....i dont think you understand that..... Look at the Dust logo on the top left of the site, tell me what it says over Dust. Hint: -EVE- It is an alternate sphere, its set in the New Eden universe, and offers an alternate sphere. Yep it says eve over the logo. And? Do you take all advertising you see so literally? Does apple sell apples? sigh.....im not even gonna debate this last post.....your counterargument is just a bunch of fail Its the same universe and CCP has simply created a second way of going into it. Theres nothing different about it....
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.09 01:08:00 - [85] - Quote Osiris Greywolf wrote: It is an alternate sphere, its set in the New Eden universe, and offers an alternate sphere. Yep it says eve over the logo. And? Do you take all advertising you see so literally? Does apple sell apples? It is EVE, you seem to be missing that. Instead of being a capsuleer, you are a mercenary. But you are in the same world, fighting the same wars, for the same corporations, and the same stars and planets. You are buying and selling on the same market, producing the same merchandise. This is not exactly a "new" game, it's a lot more like an expansion pack.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.09 01:09:00 - [86] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: sigh.....im not even gonna debate this last post.....your counterargument is just a bunch of fail Its the same universe and CCP has simply created a second way of going into it. Theres nothing different about it.... I feel your pain Lurch, all my threads get somebody like this in them
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.09 01:11:00 - [87] - Quote Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: sigh.....im not even gonna debate this last post.....your counterargument is just a bunch of fail Its the same universe and CCP has simply created a second way of going into it. Theres nothing different about it.... I feel your pain Lurch, all my threads get somebody like this in them i prefer to just look at it as someone trolling who simply doesnt care. i certainly dont get butthurt over it lol, i know and you know how its gonna be, so im just gonna keep being excited and these guys can be pleasantly surprised on release, even with all their bickering.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.09 01:12:00 - [88] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: sigh.....im not even gonna debate this last post.....your counterargument is just a bunch of fail Its the same universe and CCP has simply created a second way of going into it. Theres nothing different about it.... I feel your pain Lurch, all my threads get somebody like this in them i prefer to just look at it as someone trolling who simply doesnt care. i certainly dont get butthurt over it lol, i know and you know how its gonna be, so im just gonna keep being excited and these guys can be pleasantly surprised on release, even with all their bickering. I don't get butthurt about it, it's just concerning when there is someone who so simply doesn't understand the game, because when someone who hasn't played asks them about it, they're gonna get the wrong idea.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.09 01:14:00 - [89] - Quote Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: sigh.....im not even gonna debate this last post.....your counterargument is just a bunch of fail Its the same universe and CCP has simply created a second way of going into it. Theres nothing different about it.... I feel your pain Lurch, all my threads get somebody like this in them i prefer to just look at it as someone trolling who simply doesnt care. i certainly dont get butthurt over it lol, i know and you know how its gonna be, so im just gonna keep being excited and these guys can be pleasantly surprised on release, even with all their bickering. I don't get butthurt about it, it's just concerning when there is someone who so simply doesn't understand the game, because when someone who hasn't played asks them about it, they're gonna get the wrong idea. lol i certainly wasnt saying you were actin butthurt, i was making a generalization about everyone. And yes, the entire reason i try and be activ eon the forums in the first place is to help CCP and make sure people dont try and mold this game when they dont even know what they are trying to change.
Osiris Greywolf Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2012.08.09 01:16:00 - [90] - Quote Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: Osiris Greywolf wrote: It is an alternate sphere, its set in the New Eden universe, and offers an alternate sphere. Yep it says eve over the logo. And? Do you take all advertising you see so literally? Does apple sell apples? It is EVE, you seem to be missing that. Instead of being a capsuleer, you are a mercenary. But you are in the same world, fighting the same wars, for the same corporations, and the same stars and planets. You are buying and selling on the same market, producing the same merchandise. This is not exactly a "new" game, it's a lot more like an expansion pack. Its a game set in and interacts with, the New Eden universe, which has a ripple effect on Eve. Same with Eve, except the ripple effect is, and probably always will be, 99% larger. DUST is a "new" game, as it provides a substantially different take on it, one which has taken years to create. It has it's own style of gameplay, it's own player base, and it's on Console. How is tat not a "new" game?



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