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Very well said about the whole meta game stuff. A lot of the newcomers to the EVE verse need top understand there is this whole aspect of the game and not everything revolves around their leet skillz.
although i do have one nit pick here.....
i, as well as some of my buds are in the group where we will wait to see how KB+M is implemented and as long as there is not a huge disparity, we will stick with DS3.....
That is very unlikely tho, so ill prob have to go buy a keyboard i can use with my ps3.... |
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Regis Mark V wrote:If KB+M is more dominate I'll just delete it. Why should I be forced to use a control setu I don't like to be competitive. Every PS3 is sold with a ds3 not a kb+m!
This is really a solid argument for DS3 controllers, and you cant deny that putting in KB+M in this game is gonna be a big issue. Its crucial that CCP gets this right. People need to realize tho that it wont be perfect off the bat....we will get the brunt of the disparity between the controller types so that CCP can test the numbers and have it good for everyone else on release......its so imperative that people dont get flustered when the august build comes out.
Either way, i enjoy the DS3 and again, as long as it isnt any worse, ill use it.
I like Dust enough tho that i will go KB+M if i have to. While it is a hassle, it IS easy mode for aiming. As a tank driver, i dont need to have 360 degree function for movement. So in that aspect i guess, there is no downside for me for KB+M since all the things that the DS3 does better than simple keyboard keys doesnt apply to what ima be doing in-game. |
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Pokey Dravon wrote:What exactly is the advantage of the KB/M? I've only tried it a little in other games and feel I do far better against people with a controller than KB/M, but perhaps I'm missing this apparent elite advantage it gives people.
Also, I use a DS3 and sometimes Move, but I still use a keyboard to type. Just because I have no interested in KB/M right now doesn't mean I'm gonna be typing away like some idiot on the virtual keyboard when trying to have a conversation or entering in data, that's just common sense.
basically, anybody who has played any kind of fps on a pc will agree that the mouse is simply better for aiming. It is was faster and more accurate since its basically point and click rather than using a joystick......
Not everyone is good at using analog controls, but there are very few people who cant point and click....anybody who uses a computer knows how to point and click lol, there no fumbling with your aim when your surfing the internet and your trying to click links and buttons. |
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:What exactly is the advantage of the KB/M? I've only tried it a little in other games and feel I do far better against people with a controller than KB/M, but perhaps I'm missing this apparent elite advantage it gives people.
Also, I use a DS3 and sometimes Move, but I still use a keyboard to type. Just because I have no interested in KB/M right now doesn't mean I'm gonna be typing away like some idiot on the virtual keyboard when trying to have a conversation or entering in data, that's just common sense. basically, anybody who has played any kind of fps on a pc will agree that the mouse is simply better for aiming. It is was faster and more accurate since its basically point and click rather than using a joystick...... Not everyone is good at using analog controls, but there are very few people who cant point and click....anybody who uses a computer knows how to point and click lol, there no fumbling with your aim when your surfing the internet and your trying to click links and buttons. So then I'll just use Move since its the same thing?
lol absolutely not......Move is a gimmick....sorry but it is...
if KB+M is well implemented, then you should choose between KB+M or DS3 based on your tastes.
If not, then your just gonna have to suck it up and go KB+M, and CCP will have a lot of splaining to do to angry players |
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:
lol absolutely not......Move is a gimmick....sorry but it is...
if KB+M is well implemented, then you should choose between KB+M or DS3 based on your tastes.
If not, then your just gonna have to suck it up and go KB+M, and CCP will have a lot of splaining to do to angry players
How exactly? Slight twist of the wrist to point where you want on the screen, how is that any different from the mouse? Ever tried Move in Killzone 3?
Move is just a way more unpolished mechanism of control for FPS's, and when you add this to the fact this the first time CCP has stepped into the world of shooters, well you see my point. Regardless, mouse will always be a quicker, more accurate mechanism of aiming for shooters, but i really hope i dont have to resort to using it to be competitive. Id rather stick with DS3 |
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Belzeebub Santana wrote:REALLY! Another KB&M thread, and all this crap about stuff 90% of people playing dust now, already know, not to mention everyone on these forums knows enough about EvE with out every know it all coming here going "mew mew mew, I know how things are and should be". Everyone knows KB&M are a better combo for fps but this is on counsels not pc. I don't play ps3 with a table in front of me and don't want to. If KB&M aren't balanced than ya there will be sh!t covered fans. But really another KB&M thread...  Not meant to be another KBM thread, meant to be a thread pointing out the differences between hardcore players in other games vs hardcore players in New Eden.
@ santana
its not a KB+M thread, but trolls who post without even reading the prior posts make it that way. |
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Avenger 245 wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Osiris Greywolf wrote:
Basically DS users are too stupid to have fun in null-sec or want to run a corp? That's nice. So every kb\m user is going to own a corporation and simultaneously fight in Null-sec then. I hope you enjoy your 1 v 1 battles then.
Right? See its stuff like this that just encourages me to play against these KB/M people to prove a point. I love how people tell me I'm going to get my ass kicked before its even put to a test. Challenge Accepted? Besides I've been playing EVE for a while, and I still prefer a controller over the KB/M. Doen't change the fact that I know very well what I'm doing with a corp and dealing with Nullsec life. Honestly I think people are just SO desperate to feel elite about something that they cling to the KB/M like it's some badge of honor that makes them more intelligent/capable of playing the game than us lowly DS3/Move users. This has nothing to do with intelligence. That is not what I was trying to say at all. What I am saying, as that the meta game is going to be impossible with DS3. It will be time consuming, non-intuitive, and frustrating. I'm a console player, by no means a PC Elitist, but the fact of the matter is that corporations, the economy, and Sov are going to be easier to deal with, when using KBM vs a DS3. This was not meant to start another "Is KBM good for the game?" thread, this was meant to point out the differences between a CoD/BF/MAG player, and a hardcore EVE player. The fact of the matter is that at the end of the day, this game is very much an expansion of EVE, it is not a separate game - it is only a separate portal into the New Eden Universe. Your not an elitest? Sound like a arrogant pc gamer if you ask me. You just said that are prefered method is unsuited to the null sec in our game on our system. Null sec wont be for hardcore console gamers is what your saying ever thought we tired of being hardcore for cod maybe we want to try something new somethings thats not filled with arrogent pc gamers like you. Ds3 and k/m can be equally used for null sec politcs as for typing on the pads keyboard who does that hardcore console gamers have headsets and live chat. As for navigate the screen ccp needs to make it easy for us to use our game aspect all of them.
bud, i dont think your understanding what the OP is trying to say.....
He is saying that a hardcore gamer from EVE and a hardcore player from ______ FPS are very different types of people. Hardcore in EVE doesnt mean leet skillz, it means your VERY involved in the game and have a huge time and money investment into your character. These types of people will be crossing over once Dust releases and he's simply talking about the extent to which these people will affect the Null-sec gameplay. I would agree that anybody, pc or console, who hasnt played EVE before doesnt realise just how crazy some of these people from EVE are.....im not a fanboy or anything, but it is a fact that the OP has a good point...
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Avenger 245 wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Avenger 245 wrote:um no im a casual gamer for cod, and I play eve. I prefer using a ds3 for console I dont want to have to use a mouse and keyboard to be competive in null sec. Thats unfair to even think everyone coming to this game from ds3 only games would just want to play matchs we want something diffrent we our hardcore gamers who want to do null sec warfare with our ds3 your assuming console player cant do all of that with our prefered method. No, I'm not. Let me ask you something - did you ever spend money on something, they would help you improve your gameplay in EVE? Something like a better video card, so that you can turn the effects up to more easily understand what is going on, or perhaps a second screen, so that you can have the forums and market open on one to do research and politics, while having EVE open on the other? Maybe you bought a better mouse, or a nicer keyboard. My point is that someone who is hardcore into Dust, and is fighting Sov wars and engaging in Corporation politics, is going to do whatever they can, to make themselves better. If KBM were not made native to the game, the hardcore players would go out, and buy either and Eagle Eye, or a XIM3. Guess what happens then? You get dominated and have to way to combat those players unless you are willing to drop money on extra accessories. Again, this thread is not about KBM, it's about Hardcore New Eden vs Hardcore CoD/BF/MAG. It is a very different world, and people will do much more to ensure victory. No I never bought anything to improve my gaming experince why for the same reason console gamers absolutely hate pc gamers im broke I have to save up to afford one next gen console I cant go out and buy alot of little add ons im broke. I play eve on my gimpy old laptop.
whether or not you can afford a great comp doesnt change the fact that these people are still out there.....i dont have a great comp either but it is common knowledge that PC games have better graphics/capabilities because the hardware is much better and pc gamers in general dont deal with bullshit like console players do, so games are better cause there is a much higher level of expectancy......that and if devs dont satisfy the pc gamers or pull some money grabbing bullshit then the pc gamers will just download the stuff and use it anyway instead of buying it.
calling someone a pc elitist cause of what i was talking about isnt fair. For the other bullshit that pc elitists do tho, its all fair game. Cant blame someone for having a sick gaming rig.... |
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:bud, i dont think your understanding what the OP is trying to say.....
He is saying that a hardcore gamer from EVE and a hardcore player from ______ FPS are very different types of people. Hardcore in EVE doesnt mean leet skillz, it means your VERY involved in the game and have a huge time and money investment into your character. These types of people will be crossing over once Dust releases and he's simply talking about the extent to which these people will affect the Null-sec gameplay. I would agree that anybody, pc or console, who hasnt played EVE before doesnt realise just how crazy some of these people from EVE are.....im not a fanboy or anything, but it is a fact that the OP has a good point...
Thank god, somebody gets it. I hope you can help me make this point, to those that so wildly don't understand this universe. Edit: Whoa its Lurchasaurus! I didn't even notice.. Lol, I've seen you around quite a bit.
lol im around quite a bit....
im not trying to get on anybodies nerves here, sinc eits not my thread to turn into a bloodbath, but i feel its important to note that while some FPS gurus only care about the shooting aspect of the game, it cannot be put aside that the meta game will be a big part of this game and that it is by design. This is just how CCP does things and while they ARE trying to grab followers from the untapped FPS crowd, they are taking a large amount of game mechanics from EVE and Dust will play very similarly in terms of meta game. Not everyone has to be involved with it, but it will be there. This is one of the selling points. If someone wants to invest a lot of time and effort into Dust, they can because there is stuff for them to do. The game doesnt just reset every match with a new team and fresh scores......theres a whole starmap and EVE linkup.
Anyway, what i am saying is......with the parts of EVE CCP is bringing to Dust, the hardcore EVE players will transfer over and bring with them all their meta game goodness that has matured over YEARS. Dusties should be aware of this and be prepared to deal with it. You dont have to like it, but your gonna have to deal with it. |
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Avenger 245 wrote:But he doesnt understand what I getting at why should we change on OUR system to be hardcore on a game we like Yes I do, I understand perfectly well what you are saying. What you aren't understanding, is that if you don't want to, someone else is still going to, and it may cost you a planet, a system, possibly even everything that you own in the game. What you are misunderstanding, is that a Hardcore player in New Eden, is a very different animal than what you are used to.
Guys, this is a very important point. The ruthless nature of the EVE meta game will be carried over, and if oyu say, "No i dont want that." or, "That's eve, dust will be different." thats wrong, cause CCP is doing everything they can to bring that aspect into Dust. Thats just how they make their games.
If you dont do everything you can to win, sometimes someone else is gonna take advantage of that. Im not saying you should be forced to buy external hardware to be able to compete in Dust, im purely talking meta game here. |
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Avenger 245 wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Avenger 245 wrote:No I never bought anything to improve my gaming experince why for the same reason console gamers absolutely hate pc gamers im broke I have to save up to afford one next gen console I cant go out and buy alot of little add ons im broke. I play eve on my gimpy old laptop. Ah, gotchya. Then a better question is - if you had the capability to purchase extra screens, better peripherals, and other accessories that would improve you gameplay and efficiency, would you? But I cant im broke and alot of other people our in the same boat why should I have to fork over more money to be hardcore on a game I like. But yes I would buy extra but I cant and no mater of hoping going to change that. This is kinda the heart of the console wars and console pc wars. People have to pay money for one system to play on for fun they cant afford that other system so they argue about which is better because they dont want to feel like they wasted money on a crappy system. For the pc gamers its diffrent yall can afford pc and consoles and extras which is why the k/m argument is so intense you have the unrivaled abilty to splurge and buy everything you need we cant always do that. The heart of the k/m issue is the console vs pc wars and the heart of that is money.
very good point. Money is the issue, and while PC is better, not everyone has the funding to be able to buy a great rig.
What is even more of a focal issue is that Dust, for the time being, is a console game and KB+M is just around the corner.
Again, you dont have to like it, but your sure as hell gonna have to deal with it. |
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If someone buys some sick ass expensive piece of hardware like a crazy gaming mouse or keyboard, then ya, they probs will take advantage of it.....
again, cant blame someone for having a sick gaming rig. |
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Avenger 245 wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Avenger 245 wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Avenger 245 wrote:No I never bought anything to improve my gaming experince why for the same reason console gamers absolutely hate pc gamers im broke I have to save up to afford one next gen console I cant go out and buy alot of little add ons im broke. I play eve on my gimpy old laptop. Ah, gotchya. Then a better question is - if you had the capability to purchase extra screens, better peripherals, and other accessories that would improve you gameplay and efficiency, would you? But I cant im broke and alot of other people our in the same boat why should I have to fork over more money to be hardcore on a game I like. But yes I would buy extra but I cant and no mater of hoping going to change that. This is kinda the heart of the console wars and console pc wars. People have to pay money for one system to play on for fun they cant afford that other system so they argue about which is better because they dont want to feel like they wasted money on a crappy system. For the pc gamers its diffrent yall can afford pc and consoles and extras which is why the k/m argument is so intense you have the unrivaled abilty to splurge and buy everything you need we cant always do that. The heart of the k/m issue is the console vs pc wars and the heart of that is money. very good point. Money is the issue, and while PC is better, not everyone has the funding to be able to buy a great rig. What is even more of a focal issue is that Dust, for the time being, is a console game and KB+M is just around the corner. Again, you dont have to like it, but your sure as hell gonna have to deal with it. I know its coming this thread isnt about that this thread is about ds3 not being comeptive enough and only hardcore gamers will use k/m. I want to do the hardcore metagame stuff with my ds3 ccp needs to make it flowing and avalible for us. I dont want to have to waste money on extra stuff to simple play the hardcore aspect of the game. Im stuborn and prideful enough that im going to use ds3 for the meta game stuff regardless I know its coming but hardcore gaming shouldnt just be for k/m users it should be easly usable for ds3 users aswell. I annoyed that he thinks that I will have to get a k/m to do the hardcore atuff and that his way is better.
cant speak for the OP, but i certainly wasnt implying you had to go KB+M on release. I will say tho that if CCP doesnt implement KB+M the right way, somethings gonna be the "best" form of control and people will use that. |
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Belzeebub Santana wrote:Whadda say, another KB&M thread, needs to be locked.
If it gets implemented for the gun game and isn't balanced, there goes player base. Who wants to be owned by someone with more money. Seems like a pay to win. All these pc guys saying how hard eve is and they can't get their brains wrapped around how to use a pad... ironic. Guess what it takes a bit of practice to get gud with a pad, doesn't just happen so start practicing, and stop using a crutch.
If this is implemented I hope it's balanced, I know I can play both but why force people pay to be gud.
sigh......
if you dont like this thread, dont read it
again....pay to win? get out of here.....
I do quite well with with the DS3, i certainly am not complaining. dont generalize me please cause there was a whole lot more wrong with your post than what we have in the entire thread |
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4447 wrote:the most biased post ever i mean just because you play with a control your not a hardcore gamer. being a hardcore, it's about the hours you put into a game not because you use a kb/m.
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:4447 wrote:the most biased post ever i mean just because you play with a control your not a hardcore gamer. being a hardcore, it's about the hours you put into a game not because you use a kb/m. Partially true yes, but is a hardcore player not going to find every advantage that they can, to ensure victory?
ya, but we have no idea how that will be done until release. We dont even have KB+M or strikes yet so this is all just a lot of speculation |
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Osiris Greywolf wrote:And how many hardcore new Eden players will play dust? 1 for every 1000 I'd imagine at most. Give kb\m to more, and what's more support it, youll lose far more players than you'd get not supporting it. Sure they'll go out of their way to get it, and they will get eagle eye, which will improve their gameplay, but a vast majority won't care. Why? Because they've seen it before, and they will stay with DS3, and with DUST You don't seem to get that Dust -is- EVE. And EVE - -is- Dust. The games can work without each other, but they are meant to be extensions of each other. You're making it sound like Dust is meant to be separate from EVE, when the entire goal is to have them tied so tightly together. Dust is meant to be a less complex portal into the New Eden Universe, and it is hoped that players will try Dust, like it, and in turn, try EVE. It is not only meant to be a means of gaining a new fan base, but a path to enlarge their current one.
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:4447 wrote:the most biased post ever i mean just because you play with a control your not a hardcore gamer. being a hardcore, it's about the hours you put into a game not because you use a kb/m. Partially true yes, but is a hardcore player not going to find every advantage that they can, to ensure victory? ya, but we have no idea how that will be done until release. We dont even have KB+M or strikes yet so this is all just a lot of speculation We get that all in the next couple weeks though. 
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Osiris Greywolf wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Osiris Greywolf wrote:And how many hardcore new Eden players will play dust? 1 for every 1000 I'd imagine at most. Give kb\m to more, and what's more support it, youll lose far more players than you'd get not supporting it. Sure they'll go out of their way to get it, and they will get eagle eye, which will improve their gameplay, but a vast majority won't care. Why? Because they've seen it before, and they will stay with DS3, and with DUST You don't seem to get that Dust -is- EVE. And EVE - -is- Dust. The games can work without each other, but they are meant to be extensions of each other. You're making it sound like Dust is meant to be separate from EVE, when the entire goal is to have them tied so tightly together. Dust is meant to be a less complex portal into the New Eden Universe, and it is hoped that players will try Dust, like it, and in turn, try EVE. It is not only meant to be a means of gaining a new fan base, but a path to enlarge their current one. Can't work without each other, the devs themselves said they can. As for dust being eve, why bother giving it a new name, and wheres all the spaceships? And the POSs? And the massive Universe? And the Trading? And the.... You get the drill. They exist in the same universe, and, yes there is an extreme amount of interaction in them, you shouldn't pretend they don't have any differences. One involves space, the other involves ground work, one involves Shooting, the other, flying. as for dust meaning to be a less complex portal into EvE, it's meant to be an alternate sphere of New Eden, and if that leads to players wanting to try out EvE, that's great, but that doesn't make it some highly priced advertising tool.
But its NOT an alternate sphere.....its the SAME. You just are using a single merc instead of a ship. There will be trading and all the stuff.....i dont think you understand that.....
Look at the Dust logo on the top left of the site, tell me what it says over Dust.
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Dust players will have e-sports and PvE and high sec stuff if they dont want to deal with EVE, that doesnt mean Dust will be a standalone....The market is still directly involved and other things. They just wont have to get involved with the meta game and EVE corps if they dont want to. |
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Belzeebub Santana wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Belzeebub Santana wrote:Whadda say, another KB&M thread, needs to be locked.
If it gets implemented for the gun game and isn't balanced, there goes player base. Who wants to be owned by someone with more money. Seems like a pay to win. All these pc guys saying how hard eve is and they can't get their brains wrapped around how to use a pad... ironic. Guess what it takes a bit of practice to get gud with a pad, doesn't just happen so start practicing, and stop using a crutch.
If this is implemented I hope it's balanced, I know I can play both but why force people pay to be gud. sigh...... if you dont like this thread, dont read it again....pay to win? get out of here..... I do quite well with with the DS3, i certainly am not complaining. dont generalize me please cause there was a whole lot more wrong with your post than what we have in the entire thread Didn't see where I was adressing you but yes pay to win is a bit sensational. I agree with you on how this isn't out yet and we shall see what they do and how to test it. Topic is fine it's that there are how many kb&m threads now? We shall see how this all plays out and it will be entertaining either way.
but it didnt start out as a KB+M thread, some troll came in and labeled it as that and the discussion turned that direction for a lil bit.
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Osiris Greywolf wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Osiris Greywolf wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Osiris Greywolf wrote:And how many hardcore new Eden players will play dust? 1 for every 1000 I'd imagine at most. Give kb\m to more, and what's more support it, youll lose far more players than you'd get not supporting it. Sure they'll go out of their way to get it, and they will get eagle eye, which will improve their gameplay, but a vast majority won't care. Why? Because they've seen it before, and they will stay with DS3, and with DUST You don't seem to get that Dust -is- EVE. And EVE - -is- Dust. The games can work without each other, but they are meant to be extensions of each other. You're making it sound like Dust is meant to be separate from EVE, when the entire goal is to have them tied so tightly together. Dust is meant to be a less complex portal into the New Eden Universe, and it is hoped that players will try Dust, like it, and in turn, try EVE. It is not only meant to be a means of gaining a new fan base, but a path to enlarge their current one. Can't work without each other, the devs themselves said they can. As for dust being eve, why bother giving it a new name, and wheres all the spaceships? And the POSs? And the massive Universe? And the Trading? And the.... You get the drill. They exist in the same universe, and, yes there is an extreme amount of interaction in them, you shouldn't pretend they don't have any differences. One involves space, the other involves ground work, one involves Shooting, the other, flying. as for dust meaning to be a less complex portal into EvE, it's meant to be an alternate sphere of New Eden, and if that leads to players wanting to try out EvE, that's great, but that doesn't make it some highly priced advertising tool. But its NOT an alternate sphere.....its the SAME. You just are using a single merc instead of a ship. There will be trading and all the stuff.....i dont think you understand that..... Look at the Dust logo on the top left of the site, tell me what it says over Dust. Hint: -EVE- It is an alternate sphere, its set in the New Eden universe, and offers an alternate sphere. Yep it says eve over the logo. And? Do you take all advertising you see so literally? Does apple sell apples?
sigh.....im not even gonna debate this last post.....your counterargument is just a bunch of fail
Its the same universe and CCP has simply created a second way of going into it. Theres nothing different about it.... |
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:sigh.....im not even gonna debate this last post.....your counterargument is just a bunch of fail Its the same universe and CCP has simply created a second way of going into it. Theres nothing different about it.... I feel your pain Lurch, all my threads get somebody like this in them 
i prefer to just look at it as someone trolling who simply doesnt care. i certainly dont get butthurt over it lol, i know and you know how its gonna be, so im just gonna keep being excited and these guys can be pleasantly surprised on release, even with all their bickering. |
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:sigh.....im not even gonna debate this last post.....your counterargument is just a bunch of fail Its the same universe and CCP has simply created a second way of going into it. Theres nothing different about it.... I feel your pain Lurch, all my threads get somebody like this in them i prefer to just look at it as someone trolling who simply doesnt care. i certainly dont get butthurt over it lol, i know and you know how its gonna be, so im just gonna keep being excited and these guys can be pleasantly surprised on release, even with all their bickering. I don't get butthurt about it, it's just concerning when there is someone who so simply doesn't understand the game, because when someone who hasn't played asks them about it, they're gonna get the wrong idea.
lol i certainly wasnt saying you were actin butthurt, i was making a generalization about everyone. And yes, the entire reason i try and be activ eon the forums in the first place is to help CCP and make sure people dont try and mold this game when they dont even know what they are trying to change. |
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Belzeebub Santana wrote:Sorry if I turned this into a kb&m thread, wasnt my intention, and I understand that eve is on another level of dedication. I wouldn't be here if I didn't want more outta my fps, truly excited about where things are headed. if this game does lead me to eve than more power to ccp.
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Posted - 2012.08.09 01:49:00 -
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Osiris Greywolf wrote:The same way the PSP is not the PS3, even though their connected. Basically what I'm saying is, I'm a merc, my friend is a capsuleer, that even though we play in the New Eden universe, he plays eve and I play dust. I'm not playing eve on my ps3, and he's not playing Dust on his PC, and neither of us exist in the superior plain of existence in which we all are apart of a hivemind. It makes absolute sense. Just because me and a chimp are both primates, doesn't mean I live in trees.
but EVE and Dust are way more connected than a ps3 and psp lol |
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Osiris Greywolf wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Osiris Greywolf wrote:The same way the PSP is not the PS3, even though their connected. Basically what I'm saying is, I'm a merc, my friend is a capsuleer, that even though we play in the New Eden universe, he plays eve and I play dust. I'm not playing eve on my ps3, and he's not playing Dust on his PC, and neither of us exist in the superior plain of existence in which we all are apart of a hivemind. It makes absolute sense. Just because me and a chimp are both primates, doesn't mean I live in trees.
but EVE and Dust are way more connected than a ps3 and psp lol I can play games for my psp on PS3, and vice versa, watch videos stored on my PS3 on a PSP, or stream music. I'd say the PSP-PS3 is more connected than EvE-DUST.
then you fundamentally dont understand how the EVE-Dust connection works. |
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Its basically like checking your email on your phone instead of your computer. Its the same email, just a different way of accessing it. |
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Osiris Greywolf wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Osiris Greywolf wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:
but EVE and Dust are way more connected than a ps3 and psp lol
I can play games for my psp on PS3, and vice versa, watch videos stored on my PS3 on a PSP, or stream music. I'd say the PSP-PS3 is more connected than EvE-DUST. then you fundamentally dont understand how the EVE-Dust connection works. And you don't understand how PSP-PS3 connectivity works. Being able to play the complete game of one console on another is a bit more than checking ones email. As for me not understanding the EVE dust connection works. Your right, I don't. It, as of now, doesn't exist. I understand how it is hypothetically going to work, and far more than the fundementals. Like I said, Osiris Greywolf wrote:The same way the PSP is not the PS3, even though their connected. Basically what I'm saying is, I'm a merc, my friend is a capsuleer, that even though we play in the New Eden universe, he plays eve and I play dust. I'm not playing eve on my ps3, and he's not playing Dust on his PC, and neither of us exist in the superior plain of existence in which we all are apart of a hivemind. It makes absolute sense. Just because me and a chimp are both primates, doesn't mean I live in trees.
To simply state that dust is eve, and eve is dust, is false.
ill agree with you there
what i was saying was simply that they arent in some "alternate sphere" or anything like that where they are two different games with a similar backdrop and some cosmetic link. They are the same game, with events in EVE directly linking to Dust. If an EVE corp beats the **** out of someone, that has happened in Dust.
But no, they are not carbon copies where you can play dust on pc or EVE on ps3 like you seem to have thought i was saying, and i apologize if i was unclear. |
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