Very well said about the whole meta game stuff. A lot of the newcomers to the EVE verse need top understand there is this whole aspect of the game and not everything revolves around their leet skillz.

although i do have one nit pick here.....

i, as well as some of my buds are in the group where we will wait to see how KB+M is implemented and as long as there is not a huge disparity, we will stick with DS3.....

That is very unlikely tho, so ill prob have to go buy a keyboard i can use with my ps3....

Right? See its stuff like this that just encourages me to play against these KB/M people to prove a point. I love how people tell me I'm going to get my ass kicked before its even put to a test. Challenge Accepted?

Besides I've been playing EVE for a while, and I still prefer a controller over the KB/M. Doen't change the fact that I know very well what I'm doing with a corp and dealing with Nullsec life. Honestly I think people are just SO desperate to feel elite about something that they cling to the KB/M like it's some badge of honor that makes them more intelligent/capable of playing the game than us lowly DS3/Move users.

REALLY! Another KB&M thread, and all this crap about stuff 90% of people playing dust now, already know, not to mention everyone on these forums knows enough about EvE with out every know it all coming here going "mew mew mew, I know how things are and should be".

Everyone knows KB&M are a better combo for fps but this is on counsels not pc. I don't play ps3 with a table in front of me and don't want to. If KB&M aren't balanced than ya there will be sh!t covered fans.

But really another KB&M thread...

um no im a casual gamer for cod, and I play eve. I prefer using a ds3 for console I dont want to have to use a mouse and keyboard to be competive in null sec. Thats unfair to even think everyone coming to this game from ds3 only games would just want to play matchs we want something diffrent we our hardcore gamers who want to do null sec warfare with our ds3 your assuming console player cant do all of that with our prefered method.

Your not an elitest? Sound like a arrogant pc gamer if you ask me. You just said that are prefered method is unsuited to the null sec in our game on our system. Null sec wont be for hardcore console gamers is what your saying ever thought we tired of being hardcore for cod maybe we want to try something new somethings thats not filled with arrogent pc gamers like you. Ds3 and k/m can be equally used for null sec politcs as for typing on the pads keyboard who does that hardcore console gamers have headsets and live chat. As for navigate the screen ccp needs to make it easy for us to use our game aspect all of them.

He's saying Kb\m players are more hard core than DS players, it doesn't matter how subtle he writes it.

On the topic of negotiations why use text chat when we will have in game voice chat?

bud, i dont think your understanding what the OP is trying to say.....

He is saying that a hardcore gamer from EVE and a hardcore player from ______ FPS are very different types of people. Hardcore in EVE doesnt mean leet skillz, it means your VERY involved in the game and have a huge time and money investment into your character. These types of people will be crossing over once Dust releases and he's simply talking about the extent to which these people will affect the Null-sec gameplay. I would agree that anybody, pc or console, who hasnt played EVE before doesnt realise just how crazy some of these people from EVE are.....im not a fanboy or anything, but it is a fact that the OP has a good point...

No I never bought anything to improve my gaming experince why for the same reason console gamers absolutely hate pc gamers im broke I have to save up to afford one next gen console I cant go out and buy alot of little add ons im broke. I play eve on my gimpy old laptop.

But he doesnt understand what I getting at why should we change on OUR system to be hardcore on a game we like

Well I guess that's about to change, like a lot of other things eve players may have to get used too.

Firstly, not everyone plays in the most powerful corp, and not everyone in null sec leads the most powerful corp, and one cannot take example wholly from one small part of one game, and brush another game in its entirety with it. Also, any corp in dust will inevitably have as its bulk, ground soldiers, ie the shooters. How do you plan on getting those shooters when 99% percent of the people who plan on being them won't want to use it. I have no problem with using a KB\m for the non shooting aspects of the game, but for the shooting aspects, leave kb\m out, or the game will end up with a smaller player base than mag.
Secondly, I think you should look at your post, that's entirely how it reads. Derogatory towards DS users, Overtoned with fallacies about why k\bm is necessary for the entire game.

Guys, this is a very important point. The ruthless nature of the EVE meta game will be carried over, and if oyu say, "No i dont want that." or, "That's eve, dust will be different." thats wrong, cause CCP is doing everything they can to bring that aspect into Dust. Thats just how they make their games.

If you dont do everything you can to win, sometimes someone else is gonna take advantage of that. Im not saying you should be forced to buy external hardware to be able to compete in Dust, im purely talking meta game here.

+1 for truth

If your tying this post with my other post, you misunderstood what I meant about economics.

cant speak for the OP, but i certainly wasnt implying you had to go KB+M on release. I will say tho that if CCP doesnt implement KB+M the right way, somethings gonna be the "best" form of control and people will use that.

the most biased post ever i mean just because you play with a control your not a hardcore gamer. being a hardcore, it's about the hours you put into a game not because you use a kb/m.

ya, but we have no idea how that will be done until release. We dont even have KB+M or strikes yet so this is all just a lot of speculation

*screams like a japanese schoolgirl*

I think that people have been misunderstanding what the OP meant by hard core gamer in a fps and hard core in EVE. Yes, I am a long time EVE player and my last fps was Halo but I have been looking forward to Dust for years. I joined a clan in order to be with experienced fps players with a good community already established. I made the below post on our forums to try to explain to them the difference between most games and what happens in EVE. All the EVE players will recognize the vid and all the people new to EVE should watch it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrYe_4vHzgE&feature=fvwrel Rooks and Kings Clarion Call 3, there is a reason over 145k people have watched this vid. My last player corp was AHARM and I was there for most of the fights with R&K. This video is important in that some of EVE's best players are going to also be playing Dust.

This vid spans almost a year and the final outcome didn't come till after it was posted. R&K have no presence in wormhole space. They were evicted by AHARM.

After the first engagement where AHARM kicked their butt, R&K spent weeks on sisi, the test server, to figure out how we had done it. Then they spent almost a year trying to get revenge. Yes they won a battle or two but they eventually lost the war. The point is that this conflict lasted over a year and the potential is there for it to happen in Dust also.

These are hard core gamers and they take their games very seriously.

Didn't see where I was adressing you but yes pay to win is a bit sensational. I agree with you on how this isn't out yet and we shall see what they do and how to test it.

Topic is fine it's that there are how many kb&m threads now? We shall see how this all plays out and it will be entertaining either way.

It is an alternate sphere, its set in the New Eden universe, and offers an alternate sphere. Yep it says eve over the logo. And? Do you take all advertising you see so literally? Does apple sell apples?

sigh.....im not even gonna debate this last post.....your counterargument is just a bunch of fail

Its the same universe and CCP has simply created a second way of going into it. Theres nothing different about it....

i prefer to just look at it as someone trolling who simply doesnt care. i certainly dont get butthurt over it lol, i know and you know how its gonna be, so im just gonna keep being excited and these guys can be pleasantly surprised on release, even with all their bickering.