Very well said about the whole meta game stuff. A lot of the newcomers to the EVE verse need top understand there is this whole aspect of the game and not everything revolves around their leet skillz.

although i do have one nit pick here.....

i, as well as some of my buds are in the group where we will wait to see how KB+M is implemented and as long as there is not a huge disparity, we will stick with DS3.....

That is very unlikely tho, so ill prob have to go buy a keyboard i can use with my ps3....

If KB+M is more dominate I'll just delete it. Why should I be forced to use a control setu I don't like to be competitive. Every PS3 is sold with a ds3 not a kb+m!

What exactly is the advantage of the KB/M? I've only tried it a little in other games and feel I do far better against people with a controller than KB/M, but perhaps I'm missing this apparent elite advantage it gives people.

Also, I use a DS3 and sometimes Move, but I still use a keyboard to type. Just because I have no interested in KB/M right now doesn't mean I'm gonna be typing away like some idiot on the virtual keyboard when trying to have a conversation or entering in data, that's just common sense.

basically, anybody who has played any kind of fps on a pc will agree that the mouse is simply better for aiming. It is was faster and more accurate since its basically point and click rather than using a joystick......

Not everyone is good at using analog controls, but there are very few people who cant point and click....anybody who uses a computer knows how to point and click lol, there no fumbling with your aim when your surfing the internet and your trying to click links and buttons.

I've made statements along the lines of "The players using KBM will be the hardcore players in Null-sec, and the players using the DS3 will be the casual players in Hi-sec." Some DS3 users have taken offense to this, thinking I am giving them no credit for being good with the control style of their choice.

But let me elaborate on the differences between a casual player, and a hardcore player, New Eden style vs. CoD/BF/MAG style.

In the current console shooters, a casual player is probably someone who logs on, doesn't really try to hard, and just enjoys the game - win or lose. A hardcore player would be someone who logs on, does everything they can to win, and is conscious of their rankings on the leader board. This is probably a rather general description, but I'm sure you catch my drift.

Now, it is a little different with how New Eden works. A "casual" player in Dust, could just as well be called a hardcore player in another game, because the type of game is very different. Now, the reason for this is that Hi-sec will play very much like CoD/BF/MAG, in the sense that you will log on, queue up in matchmaking, play a match, and repeat. There will be leader boards, and probably some type of ranking system. Hardcore players in the current shooters will probably find their home here, if they want to have similar gameplay that they find in other currently popular games. There will probably be "hardcore" players and "casual" players within this area, as defined in other games, but to those that play in Null-sec, you will all be considered casual.

Why is that you may ask? Well, in Null-sec, there will be politics, there will be wars - very literally - there will be an economy to secure and keep stable, you will have to protect your planets, and your systems. There is much more to it, than just queueing up for a match.

If you are running a corporation, you will have to decide how much to tax your underlings, you will have to manage alliances, and keep your people happy. You will have to decide how much to pay the people in your corporation, and how much you are willing to pay to hire mercenaries. Also, running a corporation in Null-sec will be different than in Hi-sec, as you will now be able have assets worth much, much more - ie. planets, jump gates, and stations. And the politics will be a bit different as well.

And with all that, I say that the players in Null-sec, will most likely all be using KBM, as I don't think it would be very easy to manage all of these things, with a simple gamepad. If you have to discuss the terms of your alliance with another corporation, I don't think you'll want to be in several hours of negotiation, typing on a virtual keyboard with your DS3. If you have to manage all of your items on the market, and determine what to produce and how to price it, I don't think you will want to navigate the neocom and do research with your DS3. And as far as battles go, if you want to have every advantage that you can have over your enemy, I don't think you'll want to use your DS3.

This is what I mean by hardcore players will use KBM, and casual players will use the DS3. I'm not saying that all players currently on the PS3 don't care very much about the games they play, or that they are bad, or anything like that. I'm saying that they will find their home away from Null-sec. I'm saying that they wont be with the players that are always using KBM. They will find their home with the type of gameplay that suits them, and I'm sure they'll enjoy it very much. I think Dust 514 will give all types of players a home that suits them.

So then I'll just use Move since its the same thing?

Basically DS users are too stupid to have fun in null-sec or want to run a corp? That's nice. So every kb\m user is going to own a corporation and simultaneously fight in Null-sec then. I hope you enjoy your 1 v 1 battles then.

lol absolutely not......Move is a gimmick....sorry but it is...

if KB+M is well implemented, then you should choose between KB+M or DS3 based on your tastes.

If not, then your just gonna have to suck it up and go KB+M, and CCP will have a lot of splaining to do to angry players

Right? See its stuff like this that just encourages me to play against these KB/M people to prove a point. I love how people tell me I'm going to get my ass kicked before its even put to a test. Challenge Accepted?

Besides I've been playing EVE for a while, and I still prefer a controller over the KB/M. Doen't change the fact that I know very well what I'm doing with a corp and dealing with Nullsec life. Honestly I think people are just SO desperate to feel elite about something that they cling to the KB/M like it's some badge of honor that makes them more intelligent/capable of playing the game than us lowly DS3/Move users.

How exactly? Slight twist of the wrist to point where you want on the screen, how is that any different from the mouse? Ever tried Move in Killzone 3?

REALLY! Another KB&M thread, and all this crap about stuff 90% of people playing dust now, already know, not to mention everyone on these forums knows enough about EvE with out every know it all coming here going "mew mew mew, I know how things are and should be".

Everyone knows KB&M are a better combo for fps but this is on counsels not pc. I don't play ps3 with a table in front of me and don't want to. If KB&M aren't balanced than ya there will be sh!t covered fans.

But really another KB&M thread...

Not meant to be another KBM thread, meant to be a thread pointing out the differences between hardcore players in other games vs hardcore players in New Eden.

What I am saying, as that the meta game is going to be impossible with DS3. It will be time consuming, non-intuitive, and frustrating. I'm a console player, by no means a PC Elitist, but the fact of the matter is that corporations, the economy, and Sov are going to be easier to deal with, when using KBM vs a DS3

lol absolutely not......Move is a gimmick....sorry but it is...

if KB+M is well implemented, then you should choose between KB+M or DS3 based on your tastes.

If not, then your just gonna have to suck it up and go KB+M, and CCP will have a lot of splaining to do to angry players

um no im a casual gamer for cod, and I play eve. I prefer using a ds3 for console I dont want to have to use a mouse and keyboard to be competive in null sec. Thats unfair to even think everyone coming to this game from ds3 only games would just want to play matchs we want something diffrent we our hardcore gamers who want to do null sec warfare with our ds3 your assuming console player cant do all of that with our prefered method.

This has nothing to do with intelligence. That is not what I was trying to say at all.

What I am saying, as that the meta game is going to be impossible with DS3. It will be time consuming, non-intuitive, and frustrating. I'm a console player, by no means a PC Elitist, but the fact of the matter is that corporations, the economy, and Sov are going to be easier to deal with, when using KBM vs a DS3.

This was not meant to start another "Is KBM good for the game?" thread, this was meant to point out the differences between a CoD/BF/MAG player, and a hardcore EVE player. The fact of the matter is that at the end of the day, this game is very much an expansion of EVE, it is not a separate game - it is only a separate portal into the New Eden Universe.

@ santana

its not a KB+M thread, but trolls who post without even reading the prior posts make it that way.

Your not an elitest? Sound like a arrogant pc gamer if you ask me. You just said that are prefered method is unsuited to the null sec in our game on our system. Null sec wont be for hardcore console gamers is what your saying ever thought we tired of being hardcore for cod maybe we want to try something new somethings thats not filled with arrogent pc gamers like you. Ds3 and k/m can be equally used for null sec politcs as for typing on the pads keyboard who does that hardcore console gamers have headsets and live chat. As for navigate the screen ccp needs to make it easy for us to use our game aspect all of them.

No, I'm not.

Let me ask you something - did you ever spend money on something, they would help you improve your gameplay in EVE? Something like a better video card, so that you can turn the effects up to more easily understand what is going on, or perhaps a second screen, so that you can have the forums and market open on one to do research and politics, while having EVE open on the other? Maybe you bought a better mouse, or a nicer keyboard.

My point is that someone who is hardcore into Dust, and is fighting Sov wars and engaging in Corporation politics, is going to do whatever they can, to make themselves better. If KBM were not made native to the game, the hardcore players would go out, and buy either and Eagle Eye, or a XIM3. Guess what happens then? You get dominated and have to way to combat those players unless you are willing to drop money on extra accessories.

Again, this thread is not about KBM, it's about Hardcore New Eden vs Hardcore CoD/BF/MAG. It is a very different world, and people will do much more to ensure victory.

Your not an elitest? Sound like a arrogant pc gamer if you ask me. You just said that are prefered method is unsuited to the null sec in our game on our system. Null sec wont be for hardcore console gamers is what your saying ever thought we tired of being hardcore for cod maybe we want to try something new somethings thats not filled with arrogent pc gamers like you. Ds3 and k/m can be equally used for null sec politcs as for typing on the pads keyboard who does that hardcore console gamers have headsets and live chat. As for navigate the screen ccp needs to make it easy for us to use our game aspect all of them.

He's saying Kb\m players are more hard core than DS players, it doesn't matter how subtle he writes it.

No I never bought anything to improve my gaming experince why for the same reason console gamers absolutely hate pc gamers im broke I have to save up to afford one next gen console I cant go out and buy alot of little add ons im broke. I play eve on my gimpy old laptop.

On the topic of negotiations why use text chat when we will have in game voice chat?

On the topic of negotiations why use text chat when we will have in game voice chat?

bud, i dont think your understanding what the OP is trying to say.....

He is saying that a hardcore gamer from EVE and a hardcore player from ______ FPS are very different types of people. Hardcore in EVE doesnt mean leet skillz, it means your VERY involved in the game and have a huge time and money investment into your character. These types of people will be crossing over once Dust releases and he's simply talking about the extent to which these people will affect the Null-sec gameplay. I would agree that anybody, pc or console, who hasnt played EVE before doesnt realise just how crazy some of these people from EVE are.....im not a fanboy or anything, but it is a fact that the OP has a good point...

No I never bought anything to improve my gaming experince why for the same reason console gamers absolutely hate pc gamers im broke I have to save up to afford one next gen console I cant go out and buy alot of little add ons im broke. I play eve on my gimpy old laptop.

Issue #1 I have with your post - your grammar ******* sucks. That was way to hard to read.

Issue #2 "Your system" is also my system. The games I play on PC are League of Legends, and Smite. I am not a PC elitist.


No, I'm not. I'm saying that in the New Eden Universe, the most powerful corp is going to be made of the people willing do whatever they can to win.

bud, i dont think your understanding what the OP is trying to say.....

He is saying that a hardcore gamer from EVE and a hardcore player from ______ FPS are very different types of people. Hardcore in EVE doesnt mean leet skillz, it means your VERY involved in the game and have a huge time and money investment into your character. These types of people will be crossing over once Dust releases and he's simply talking about the extent to which these people will affect the Null-sec gameplay. I would agree that anybody, pc or console, who hasnt played EVE before doesnt realise just how crazy some of these people from EVE are.....im not a fanboy or anything, but it is a fact that the OP has a good point...

Because email and text chat are the dominate means of communication in the New Eden Universe.

But he doesnt understand what I getting at why should we change on OUR system to be hardcore on a game we like

Well I guess that's about to change, like a lot of other things eve players may have to get used too.

Issue #1 I have with your post - your grammar ******* sucks. That was way to hard to read.

Issue #2 "Your system" is also my system. The games I play on PC are League of Legends, and Smite. I am not a PC elitist.


No, I'm not. I'm saying that in the New Eden Universe, the most powerful corp is going to be made of the people willing do whatever they can to win.

Thank god, somebody gets it. I hope you can help me make this point, to those that so wildly don't understand this universe.

Edit: Whoa its Lurchasaurus! I didn't even notice.. Lol, I've seen you around quite a bit.

Firstly, not everyone plays in the most powerful corp, and not everyone in null sec leads the most powerful corp, and one cannot take example wholly from one small part of one game, and brush another game in its entirety with it. Also, any corp in dust will inevitably have as its bulk, ground soldiers, ie the shooters. How do you plan on getting those shooters when 99% percent of the people who plan on being them won't want to use it. I have no problem with using a KB\m for the non shooting aspects of the game, but for the shooting aspects, leave kb\m out, or the game will end up with a smaller player base than mag.
Secondly, I think you should look at your post, that's entirely how it reads. Derogatory towards DS users, Overtoned with fallacies about why k\bm is necessary for the entire game.

Ah, gotchya. Then a better question is - if you had the capability to purchase extra screens, better peripherals, and other accessories that would improve you gameplay and efficiency, would you?

Yes I do, I understand perfectly well what you are saying. What you aren't understanding, is that if you don't want to, someone else is still going to, and it may cost you a planet, a system, possibly even everything that you own in the game. What you are misunderstanding, is that a Hardcore player in New Eden, is a very different animal than what you are used to.

I have nothing against the DS3, I use it frequently. In fact I use it for FPS gaming far more than I do a KBM. The point I am making, is that the hardcore players will find a way to win, regardless of whether or not it means spending extra money, so they can stomp you. Hardcore New Eden, is very different from Hardcore anything else (except maybe PlanetSide? I have no clue what that community is like).

But I cant im broke and alot of other people our in the same boat why should I have to fork over more money to be hardcore on a game I like. But yes I would buy extra but I cant and no mater of hoping going to change that.

This is kinda the heart of the console wars and console pc wars. People have to pay money for one system to play on for fun they cant afford that other system so they argue about which is better because they dont want to feel like they wasted money on a crappy system. For the pc gamers its diffrent yall can afford pc and consoles and extras which is why the k/m argument is so intense you have the unrivaled abilty to splurge and buy everything you need we cant always do that. The heart of the k/m issue is the console vs pc wars and the heart of that is money.

But I cant im broke and alot of other people our in the same boat why should I have to fork over more money to be hardcore on a game I like. But yes I would buy extra but I cant and no mater of hoping going to change that.

This is kinda the heart of the console wars and console pc wars. People have to pay money for one system to play on for fun they cant afford that other system so they argue about which is better because they dont want to feel like they wasted money on a crappy system. For the pc gamers its diffrent yall can afford pc and consoles and extras which is why the k/m argument is so intense you have the unrivaled abilty to splurge and buy everything you need we cant always do that. The heart of the k/m issue is the console vs pc wars and the heart of that is money.

Guys, this is a very important point. The ruthless nature of the EVE meta game will be carried over, and if oyu say, "No i dont want that." or, "That's eve, dust will be different." thats wrong, cause CCP is doing everything they can to bring that aspect into Dust. Thats just how they make their games.

If you dont do everything you can to win, sometimes someone else is gonna take advantage of that. Im not saying you should be forced to buy external hardware to be able to compete in Dust, im purely talking meta game here.

+1 for truth

Elitism is not about money, it's about being right. I am not an elitist either way, consoles are great, PC's are great.

The point I am making however, is that if someone can purchase something that will make them play better than you (meta game or gun game) they are going to do so. New Eden is a very different world than anything else.

If your tying this post with my other post, you misunderstood what I meant about economics.

very good point. Money is the issue, and while PC is better, not everyone has the funding to be able to buy a great rig.

What is even more of a focal issue is that Dust, for the time being, is a console game and KB+M is just around the corner.

Again, you dont have to like it, but your sure as hell gonna have to deal with it.

No, wasn't meant to be tied. I would've shortened the quote and put them both in the same post if that were the case.

I know its coming this thread isnt about that this thread is about ds3 not being comeptive enough and only hardcore gamers will use k/m. I want to do the hardcore metagame stuff with my ds3 ccp needs to make it flowing and avalible for us. I dont want to have to waste money on extra stuff to simple play the hardcore aspect of the game. Im stuborn and prideful enough that im going to use ds3 for the meta game stuff regardless I know its coming but hardcore gaming shouldnt just be for k/m users it should be easly usable for ds3 users aswell. I annoyed that he thinks that I will have to get a k/m to do the hardcore atuff and that his way is better.

cant speak for the OP, but i certainly wasnt implying you had to go KB+M on release. I will say tho that if CCP doesnt implement KB+M the right way, somethings gonna be the "best" form of control and people will use that.

My point is that the players that are the Hardcore New Eden players, are going to use KBM whether it's naturally available or not. So you either allow all players to have all of the options available to them, or gimp some players and others will shine like the sun.

Whadda say, another KB&M thread, needs to be locked.

If it gets implemented for the gun game and isn't balanced, there goes player base. Who wants to be owned by someone with more money. Seems like a pay to win. All these pc guys saying how hard eve is and they can't get their brains wrapped around how to use a pad... ironic. Guess what it takes a bit of practice to get gud with a pad, doesn't just happen so start practicing, and stop using a crutch.

If this is implemented I hope it's balanced, I know I can play both but why force people pay to be gud.

the most biased post ever i mean just because you play with a control your not a hardcore gamer. being a hardcore, it's about the hours you put into a game not because you use a kb/m.

the most biased post ever i mean just because you play with a control your not a hardcore gamer. being a hardcore, it's about the hours you put into a game not because you use a kb/m.

Partially true yes, but is a hardcore player not going to find every advantage that they can, to ensure victory?

ya, but we have no idea how that will be done until release. We dont even have KB+M or strikes yet so this is all just a lot of speculation

We get that all in the next couple weeks though.

*screams like a japanese schoolgirl*

I think that people have been misunderstanding what the OP meant by hard core gamer in a fps and hard core in EVE. Yes, I am a long time EVE player and my last fps was Halo but I have been looking forward to Dust for years. I joined a clan in order to be with experienced fps players with a good community already established. I made the below post on our forums to try to explain to them the difference between most games and what happens in EVE. All the EVE players will recognize the vid and all the people new to EVE should watch it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrYe_4vHzgE&feature=fvwrel Rooks and Kings Clarion Call 3, there is a reason over 145k people have watched this vid. My last player corp was AHARM and I was there for most of the fights with R&K. This video is important in that some of EVE's best players are going to also be playing Dust.

This vid spans almost a year and the final outcome didn't come till after it was posted. R&K have no presence in wormhole space. They were evicted by AHARM.

After the first engagement where AHARM kicked their butt, R&K spent weeks on sisi, the test server, to figure out how we had done it. Then they spent almost a year trying to get revenge. Yes they won a battle or two but they eventually lost the war. The point is that this conflict lasted over a year and the potential is there for it to happen in Dust also.

These are hard core gamers and they take their games very seriously.

If you dont do everything you can to win, sometimes someone else is gonna take advantage of that..

sigh......

if you dont like this thread, dont read it
again....pay to win? get out of here.....
I do quite well with with the DS3, i certainly am not complaining. dont generalize me please cause there was a whole lot more wrong with your post than what we have in the entire thread

Didn't see where I was adressing you but yes pay to win is a bit sensational. I agree with you on how this isn't out yet and we shall see what they do and how to test it.

Topic is fine it's that there are how many kb&m threads now? We shall see how this all plays out and it will be entertaining either way.

Didn't see where I was adressing you but yes pay to win is a bit sensational. I agree with you on how this isn't out yet and we shall see what they do and how to test it.

Topic is fine it's that there are how many kb&m threads now? We shall see how this all plays out and it will be entertaining either way.

It is an alternate sphere, its set in the New Eden universe, and offers an alternate sphere. Yep it says eve over the logo. And? Do you take all advertising you see so literally? Does apple sell apples?

sigh.....im not even gonna debate this last post.....your counterargument is just a bunch of fail

Its the same universe and CCP has simply created a second way of going into it. Theres nothing different about it....

I feel your pain Lurch, all my threads get somebody like this in them

i prefer to just look at it as someone trolling who simply doesnt care. i certainly dont get butthurt over it lol, i know and you know how its gonna be, so im just gonna keep being excited and these guys can be pleasantly surprised on release, even with all their bickering.

I don't get butthurt about it, it's just concerning when there is someone who so simply doesn't understand the game, because when someone who hasn't played asks them about it, they're gonna get the wrong idea.

It is EVE, you seem to be missing that. Instead of being a capsuleer, you are a mercenary. But you are in the same world, fighting the same wars, for the same corporations, and the same stars and planets. You are buying and selling on the same market, producing the same merchandise. This is not exactly a "new" game, it's a lot more like an expansion pack.

5. Going to war with another corp would take billions upon billions of ISK right? So isn't it conceivable that some corps (not all) might take a different route? I don't know like sending their best players into the arena battle to face the other corps best players, sure would be more cost effective

This will never happen with any "major" Alliance/Corp in Eve. No one resolves territorial or diplomatic conflicts with a 1v1 or even 15v15. It is more like 40k vs 20k.

Many of the big Alliances have Trillions of isk and routinely throw large fleets of ships around that take 90 days (real time) to make and cost 80-100 Billion (each).

Sorry if I turned this into a kb&m thread, wasnt my intention, and I understand that eve is on another level of dedication. I wouldn't be here if I didn't want more outta my fps, truly excited about where things are headed. if this game does lead me to eve than more power to ccp.

The same way the PSP is not the PS3, even though their connected. Basically what I'm saying is, I'm a merc, my friend is a capsuleer, that even though we play in the New Eden universe, he plays eve and I play dust. I'm not playing eve on my ps3, and he's not playing Dust on his PC, and neither of us exist in the superior plain of existence in which we all are apart of a hivemind. It makes absolute sense. Just because me and a chimp are both primates, doesn't mean I live in trees.

but EVE and Dust are way more connected than a ps3 and psp lol

I can play games for my psp on PS3, and vice versa, watch videos stored on my PS3 on a PSP, or stream music. I'd say the PSP-PS3 is more connected than EvE-DUST.

then you fundamentally dont understand how the EVE-Dust connection works.

The same way the PSP is not the PS3, even though their connected. Basically what I'm saying is, I'm a merc, my friend is a capsuleer, that even though we play in the New Eden universe, he plays eve and I play dust. I'm not playing eve on my ps3, and he's not playing Dust on his PC, and neither of us exist in the superior plain of existence in which we all are apart of a hivemind. It makes absolute sense. Just because me and a chimp are both primates, doesn't mean I live in trees.

And you don't understand how PSP-PS3 connectivity works. Being able to play the complete game of one console on another is a bit more than checking ones email. As for me not understanding the EVE dust connection works. Your right, I don't. It, as of now, doesn't exist. I understand how it is hypothetically going to work, and far more than the fundementals. Like I said,



To simply state that dust is eve, and eve is dust, is false.

ill agree with you there

what i was saying was simply that they arent in some "alternate sphere" or anything like that where they are two different games with a similar backdrop and some cosmetic link. They are the same game, with events in EVE directly linking to Dust. If an EVE corp beats the **** out of someone, that has happened in Dust.

But no, they are not carbon copies where you can play dust on pc or EVE on ps3 like you seem to have thought i was saying, and i apologize if i was unclear.

basically, anybody who has played any kind of fps on a pc will agree that the mouse is simply better for aiming. It is was faster and more accurate since its basically point and click rather than using a joystick......

Not everyone is good at using analog controls, but there are very few people who cant point and click....anybody who uses a computer knows how to point and click lol, there no fumbling with your aim when your surfing the internet and your trying to click links and buttons.

I've made statements along the lines of "The players using KBM will be the hardcore players in Null-sec, and the players using the DS3 will be the casual players in Hi-sec." Some DS3 users have taken offense to this, thinking I am giving them no credit for being good with the control style of their choice.

But let me elaborate on the differences between a casual player, and a hardcore player, New Eden style vs. CoD/BF/MAG style.

In the current console shooters, a casual player is probably someone who logs on, doesn't really try to hard, and just enjoys the game - win or lose. A hardcore player would be someone who logs on, does everything they can to win, and is conscious of their rankings on the leader board. This is probably a rather general description, but I'm sure you catch my drift.

Now, it is a little different with how New Eden works. A "casual" player in Dust, could just as well be called a hardcore player in another game, because the type of game is very different. Now, the reason for this is that Hi-sec will play very much like CoD/BF/MAG, in the sense that you will log on, queue up in matchmaking, play a match, and repeat. There will be leader boards, and probably some type of ranking system. Hardcore players in the current shooters will probably find their home here, if they want to have similar gameplay that they find in other currently popular games. There will probably be "hardcore" players and "casual" players within this area, as defined in other games, but to those that play in Null-sec, you will all be considered casual.

Why is that you may ask? Well, in Null-sec, there will be politics, there will be wars - very literally - there will be an economy to secure and keep stable, you will have to protect your planets, and your systems. There is much more to it, than just queueing up for a match.

If you are running a corporation, you will have to decide how much to tax your underlings, you will have to manage alliances, and keep your people happy. You will have to decide how much to pay the people in your corporation, and how much you are willing to pay to hire mercenaries. Also, running a corporation in Null-sec will be different than in Hi-sec, as you will now be able have assets worth much, much more - ie. planets, jump gates, and stations. And the politics will be a bit different as well.

And with all that, I say that the players in Null-sec, will most likely all be using KBM, as I don't think it would be very easy to manage all of these things, with a simple gamepad. If you have to discuss the terms of your alliance with another corporation, I don't think you'll want to be in several hours of negotiation, typing on a virtual keyboard with your DS3. If you have to manage all of your items on the market, and determine what to produce and how to price it, I don't think you will want to navigate the neocom and do research with your DS3. And as far as battles go, if you want to have every advantage that you can have over your enemy, I don't think you'll want to use your DS3.

This is what I mean by hardcore players will use KBM, and casual players will use the DS3. I'm not saying that all players currently on the PS3 don't care very much about the games they play, or that they are bad, or anything like that. I'm saying that they will find their home away from Null-sec. I'm saying that they wont be with the players that are always using KBM. They will find their home with the type of gameplay that suits them, and I'm sure they'll enjoy it very much. I think Dust 514 will give all types of players a home that suits them.

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