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W0olley
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Posted - 2012.07.24 04:11:00 -
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Arcushek Dion wrote:Basically what they are saying when they say it's not a true fps is really "it's not a CoD clone" or "It's not an Arcade Shooter". Which IMO is great because those types of shooters are terrible. Flashy....but terrible.
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W0olley
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Posted - 2012.07.24 04:15:00 -
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Arcushek Dion wrote:W0olley wrote:Arcushek Dion wrote:Basically what they are saying when they say it's not a true fps is really "it's not a CoD clone" or "It's not an Arcade Shooter". Which IMO is great because those types of shooters are terrible. Flashy....but terrible. Wrong. Please elaborate. Your wrong and you have no idea what your talking about. |
W0olley
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Posted - 2012.07.24 05:04:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:W0olley wrote:Arcushek Dion wrote:W0olley wrote:Arcushek Dion wrote:Basically what they are saying when they say it's not a true fps is really "it's not a CoD clone" or "It's not an Arcade Shooter". Which IMO is great because those types of shooters are terrible. Flashy....but terrible. Wrong. Please elaborate. Your wrong and you have no idea what your talking about. He is not wrong, he has an opinion. Unless having the brain capacity to generate free thinking is a crime, he is not wrong. I agree with him that arcade style shooters get very stale, very fast. He made a statement about what people are looking for not an opinion. And the statement he made is wrong.
People aren't looking for another CoD like game, the only people I see bringing up CoD in the first place are people trying to defend Dust in it's lack of decent fundamentals that should be implemented in all FPS's. CoD isn't the first FPS out there but it got popular because it does the fundamentals and it does them really well.
The guy clearly doesn't understand FPS's if he automatically associates every compliant with CoD even when nobody has mentioned CoD. He made a statement and he clearly doesn't understand what people are talking about and thus he is wrong. |
W0olley
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Posted - 2012.07.24 05:29:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:W0olley wrote:He made a statement about what people are looking for not an opinion. And the statement he made is wrong.
People aren't looking for another CoD like game, the only people I see bringing up CoD in the first place are people trying to defend Dust in it's lack of decent fundamentals that should be implemented in all FPS's. CoD isn't the first FPS out there but it got popular because it does the fundamentals and it does them really well.
The guy clearly doesn't understand FPS's if he automatically associates every compliant with CoD even when nobody has mentioned CoD. He made a statement and he clearly doesn't understand what people are talking about and thus he is wrong. Oh I see what you're saying. And in that case, he is quite right. I have seen several posts that say "nerf vehicles, this is an FPS not a tank game" or "lets see more small areas where you can't get vehicles, they shouldn't be the focus of an FPS" or "lets get rid of vehicles, they don't belong in an FPS". And, what is the most popular FPS right now that doesn't offer vehicle warfare..? You guessed it, CoD. CoD does have vehicles they are just in form of killstreaks and not readily available anytime you want them. And the majority of FPS's don't allow for vehicles to be used. And when they are they aren't the end all be all of the game, They are used as tools to get to an ultimate goal but are not the rulers of a battlefield which at this time vehicles are in Dust which doesn't bring fun FPS gameplay. |
W0olley
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Posted - 2012.07.24 05:53:00 -
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Grit Breather wrote: You're wrong in your assumptions. If you're not enjoying yourself now, that's alright. We're at a phase of the beta where vehicle spam is the goal. There is a reason every single noob can get on the battlefield with a tank. The devs are testing vehicle balances. Later on two things will happen. The first is that vehicles will go back to being what they're supposed to be. A support element for the team and not a personal giant cannon. The second thing that'll happen is that the entire Dust world in general and the maps in particular will get much much larger. In maps of that large scale you can't really cry "Enough with the vehicles, they are ruining the game!" because they are not. They are a part of the military engagement and will slowly fall into their rightful roles in the battlefield as commanders learn to unilize them properly.
So this is a true FPS. It's just truer than most people realise a FPS is supposed to be - a full blown military simulator.
I made no assumptions in any of my posts. |
W0olley
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Posted - 2012.07.24 06:05:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:W0olley wrote:CoD does have vehicles they are just in form of killstreaks and not readily available anytime you want them. And the majority of FPS's don't allow for vehicles to be used. And when they are they aren't the end all be all of the game, They are used as tools to get to an ultimate goal but are not the rulers of a battlefield which at this time vehicles are in Dust which doesn't bring fun FPS gameplay. Kill streaks in CoD are not "Vehicle Warfare". They are... a game wrecking mechanism in my opinion. Kill streaks promote giving players an unfair advantage. If you are good, then you can win a FFA Deathmatch no problem. But if you aren't the best player in the game, and you just happen to be avoiding the best player, you may rack up enough kills for that chopper gunner. Now, you get to spam the map with an insta-kill for 30 seconds, and that player that was going to beat you, now has no chance because you just knocked your score up by 15 kills in 30 seconds. Suddenly, that game has been ruined for everyone that actually out classes you.
And how is that different then Dust? Someone has better gun game than you so you spawn in a high powered tank and blow them up.
I guess it's the fact that you have no limit on movement or how long you have that tank or dropship for in Dust that makes the infinite tanks in Dust less game breaking? Not sure how that makes sense but that's all I can think of. |
W0olley
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Posted - 2012.07.24 06:20:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:W0olley wrote:And how is that different then Dust? Someone has better gun game than you so you spawn in a high powered tank and blow them up.
I guess it's the fact that you have no limit on movement or how long you have that tank or dropship for in Dust that makes the infinite tanks in Dust less game breaking? Not sure how that makes sense but that's all I can think of. Lol. El... Oh.... El... You can spawn free vehicles right now because they are stress testing vehicle warfare. That isn't going to be a part of the final game. It isn't even a game breaking mechanism. Somebody spawns a militia tank, gets somebody in the rocket turret. *BAM* I'm dead, 15,000 ISK Assault suit down the drain... So, I spawn with a forge gun. *BOOM* Vehicle damage +25. *BOOM* Vehicle Destruction +100, Kill +50, Kill +50. I think that should cover my assault suit. If anything, you should be happy people can spawn infinite vehicles right now, stock up on those 100,000 SP vehicle killing games while you can.
Did I say free tank or high powered tank? You should actually read the post before you respond. And your basically saying you don't like killstreaks just because they are in CoD. Vehicles in Dust and kilstreaks in CoD are pretty much the same thing whether you want to admit it or not. If someone gets a klllstreak in CoD you can blow that up too just like it Dust and you even get points for it in both games.
I don't even care about that fact that there are vehicles in Dust it's just that yous are making terrible arguments that don't make any sense and just reek of hypocrisy. |
W0olley
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Posted - 2012.07.24 06:26:00 -
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Derek Barnes wrote:W0olley wrote:Arcushek Dion wrote:W0olley wrote:Arcushek Dion wrote:Basically what they are saying when they say it's not a true fps is really "it's not a CoD clone" or "It's not an Arcade Shooter". Which IMO is great because those types of shooters are terrible. Flashy....but terrible. Wrong. Please elaborate. Your wrong and you have no idea what your talking about. You're saying that because you're a Call of Duty player(not sure if fanboy though) I don't play CoD but good try though. |
W0olley
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Posted - 2012.07.24 16:28:00 -
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Dalton Smithe wrote:
Just because vehicle play is not allowed in a lot of FPS games, it doesn't necessarily mean they don't belong in them. Do I get irritated when someone driving a tank with a good fit runs the map and doesn't die? Hell yes. Do I think CCP should remove vehicles from maps or nerf them? Hell no. Vehicle combat was always going to be an integral part of Dust, this is combat on a planetary scale, not just a little sector of a city. I have played other FPS games and finally someone got it right.
Did I ever say the game shouldn't have vehicles? I love how people are on here reply to things people never say to help to try and validate their poor arguments on certain issues.
But everyone just keep ignoring the fact that Dust is missing the fundamentals of a good FPS. These things have nothing to do with CoD or even vehicles at all really. |
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