You DON'T use your cannon for killing flies?

Meh, I kinda hated REs at first(and still do to some extent), but like others have said you just need to keep your distance and be watchful.

7. Rumors are going around that remote explosives will have a 5-second delay before exploding in the next build in August along with limiting their capacity to 2 instead of 5. Although you can still restock if you use the supply depots... assuming those haven't been destroyed already (nano hives won't work for these). You should be happy for that. But then again, that is just a rumor. Don't quote me on that.

i Wonder if it is possible to put remote explosives on a LAV and go kamikaze with it. Imagine a full squad 5X6=30 remote explosives on 1 Militia LAV going full tilit stright into a sagaris. I bet that should be enough to put a tank like that down instantly. Just think of it when friendly fire was on. LAV crashes in sagaris, and causes a chain reaction to all the strapped explosives on the vehicle in a big inferno of tears and ISK. Seriously the devs need to make it so that these things stick on vehicles (not players). When it works in battlefield 3 why not on Dust?

Now I know that some people will argue against me saying that "they just outsmarted you" or "it's
part of the game" but what's the point of a game when you have no chance?
Please comment below on your thoughts on my idea

i Wonder if it is possible to put remote explosives on a LAV and go kamikaze with it. Imagine a full squad 5X6=30 remote explosives on 1 Militia LAV going full tilit stright into a sagaris. I bet that should be enough to put a tank like that down instantly. Just think of it when friendly fire was on. LAV crashes in sagaris, and causes a chain reaction to all the strapped explosives on the vehicle in a big inferno of tears and ISK. Seriously the devs need to make it so that these things stick on vehicles (not players). When it works in battlefield 3 why not on Dust?

Solution? Don't let the enemy get near you. If you see a guy charging you with a RE, shoot him.

You say you have no chance? What it's not like only certain people can use them. There's no excuse for having "no chance". Adapt. Throw a remote explosive back at the guy instead of complaining about how other people play the game.

When weapons like SMGs and Shotguns have a hard-counter at their preferred range, then I'm sorry, but it's time the developers adapt the game to make weapons actually viable for their intended purpose. Telling players to adapt to a stupid overlooked mechanic (which is going to be fixed next build - although I still think the planned nerf is taking it TOO far) is stupid. IT'S A BETA. We're MEANT to be finding the broken, overpowered, exploitative uses of things AND REPORTING THEM.

Have you ever played Eve Online? You know, the game that is maintained and constantly updated by the same company that is making Dust?

CCP introduced tier-3 battlecruisers capable of wielding battleship-sized guns (glass cannons) meant to be used in fleet battles.

No more than one day after they were introduced into the market, people are already using them to destroy innocent mining ships in high-security space that no chance of defending themselves from the alpha damage they bring. Freighters are helpless even as well even to this day. No one expected these ships to be used in such a fashion. Did CCP do anything about it? No. They just pulled up a chair and had popcorn. Ask CCP. You'd be surprised. Go ahead. Ask them about how they let innocent freighters loaded with tens of thousands of dollars worth of in-game items simply burn to ashes before our very eyes while they sat down and laughed. I laughed as well at the dumb pilots flying those expensive freighters who seemed to have disregarded every warning about it that came three months ahead of time.

Now. Imagine a company with that mentality making and running Dust. I can see it all now.

The nerf to the swarm launchers I can understand (they nerfed it from the pre-E3 build). It's been noted that the remote explosives will have a 5-second delay added to them in the next build which I can also understand.

But to limit weapons just so that they can used in only one way is NOT what I ever want to see. If I want to use a sniper rifle like an assault rifle rifle, would you then want CCP to limit the sniper rifle's use as well since I can kill mercs with it in one or two shots? If I want run up to you in a super-fast, catalyizer-fitted, scout suit with just a skilled up Nova Knife and slash you after I manage to dodge all your bullets from your sub-machine gun, would you think about wanting CCP to limit its use to only as a backup weapon in case I run out of bullets?

It's called thinking out of the box and using a tool outside its operational design.

I love remote explosives, cheap scout suit, add extenders, run around the map going KA BOOOOM!

That said, please bear in mind that we are balancing items based on player behaviours and forum discussions, but removing items from the game seems a tad extreme wouldn't you say?

Solution? Don't let the enemy get near you. If you see a guy charging you with a RE, shoot him.

You say you have no chance? What it's not like only certain people can use them. There's no excuse for having "no chance". Adapt. Throw a remote explosive back at the guy instead of complaining about how other people play the game.

I think everyone aggrees that remote explosives shouldn't be a one hit kill! A heavy that used a heavy machine gun (which is only effective in cqc enviroments) shouldn't be blown up by a single explosive. I don't know why tanks and dropships don't use the same materials the remote explosives are made of and shoot that at the enemy, it would be a lot more effective!

Should you be able to use remote explosives? Yes. But it shouldn't be a game breaker for people who want to play the game in their own way (shotgun, smg). If some items are too powerful it will force everyone to play in a certain way to be able to get sp and isk. I wan't to be able to do stuff I like without getting punished for it.

There's a HUGE difference between using anti-capital weapons against smaller ships, and using remote explosives as a shotgun substitute.

I would like to SEE any explosive packs on the floor. They are near invisible at the moment. Give a Merc a chance to avoid/shot at them if you spot it.

~Z~

This is the very definition of an overpowered weapon. When the only way to compete is to abuse it yourself, something is definitely wrong.

Fortunately they're adding the delay before detonation, so REs will go back to their rightful place as a weapon of the patient. (So much more satisfying to trap a choke point then goad tanks into it for the ka-blam.)

I love remote explosives, cheap scout suit, add extenders, run around the map going KA BOOOOM!

That said, please bear in mind that we are balancing items based on player behaviours and forum discussions, but removing items from the game seems a tad extreme wouldn't you say?

The nerf you guys are doing in the next build makes them pretty close to useless (5 sec is a tad extreme, wouldn't you say?), so you might as well remove them from the game. For different reasons, I agree with the OP. Just take them out if you're going to make them a non factor.

Gasp! Imagine needing to plan ahead using remote explosives!

I could easily think of a couple of situations:

Plant a couple of them on the road, wait for vehicle to pass by. Watch the fireworks.

Plant a couple of them on a mission objective. Wait for hackers to come. Watch the fireworks.

I for one have had enough of R.E's in this game. They are the most underhanded, dirtiest, and unfair weapon in this game!
Don't get me wrong, but these explosives can be useful - used in a real tactic, not just thrown right at my feet, when I'm about to
kill you, and then blowing me up. Someone tell me how is that gameplay? Instead of actually shooting it out to the death like a
true FPS, what happens? Someone who isn't even trying to fight back suddenly gets a kill because of they're cheap tricks and
dumb luck, compared to someone who's focusing on hitting them on target, getting the area clear of enemy's, and getting the
area under team control. How many times have you spawned, trying to re-hack your territory, when your sent sky-high because
of some coward that couldn't kill you face to face, but with some Remote Explosive, not even giving you a chance to fight back,
but blowing you up on spot. Now I know that some people will argue against me saying that "they just outsmarted you" or "it's
part of the game" but what's the point of a game when you have no chance? Is this what we want Dust to become? I don't!!!!!!



This is why that Remote Explosives should be removed from the game, or given a longer time to be placed and then blown up.

Please comment below on your thoughts on my idea

Gasp! Imagine needing to plan ahead using remote explosives!

I could easily think of a couple of situations:

Plant a couple of them on the road, wait for vehicle to pass by. Watch the fireworks.

Plant a couple of them on a mission objective. Wait for hackers to come. Watch the fireworks.

Gasp! Imagine needing to plan ahead using remote explosives!

I could easily think of a couple of situations:

Plant a couple of them on the road, wait for vehicle to pass by. Watch the fireworks.

Plant a couple of them on a mission objective. Wait for hackers to come. Watch the fireworks.

I love remote explosives, cheap scout suit, add extenders, run around the map going KA BOOOOM!

That said, please bear in mind that we are balancing items based on player behaviours and forum discussions, but removing items from the game seems a tad extreme wouldn't you say?

Gasp! Imagine needing to plan ahead using remote explosives!

I could easily think of a couple of situations:

Plant a couple of them on the road, wait for vehicle to pass by. Watch the fireworks.

Plant a couple of them on a mission objective. Wait for hackers to come. Watch the fireworks.

I agree that this won't make them useless. It'll make them useless as a CQC weapon (which they shouldn't be in the first place), but it won't make them useless. I think 5 seconds is probably a little extreme though - 3 seconds gives sufficient warning, imo.

They are the weapon of the noob!...I will be using the $%-ú outa em untill they are gone cos hell if I aint fighting fire with fire

I could cry about getting blown to bits or I can be the one flicking the swich..ow wow thats almost poetry

I love remote explosives, cheap scout suit, add extenders, run around the map going KA BOOOOM!

That said, please bear in mind that we are balancing items based on player behaviours and forum discussions, but removing items from the game seems a tad extreme wouldn't you say?

I for one have had enough of R.E's in this game. They are the most underhanded, dirtiest, and unfair weapon in this game!
Don't get me wrong, but these explosives can be useful - used in a real tactic, not just thrown right at my feet, when I'm about to
kill you, and then blowing me up. Someone tell me how is that gameplay? Instead of actually shooting it out to the death like a
true FPS, what happens? Someone who isn't even trying to fight back suddenly gets a kill because of they're cheap tricks and
dumb luck, compared to someone who's focusing on hitting them on target, getting the area clear of enemy's, and getting the
area under team control. How many times have you spawned, trying to re-hack your territory, when your sent sky-high because
of some coward that couldn't kill you face to face, but with some Remote Explosive, not even giving you a chance to fight back,
but blowing you up on spot. Now I know that some people will argue against me saying that "they just outsmarted you" or "it's
part of the game" but what's the point of a game when you have no chance? Is this what we want Dust to become? I don't!!!!!!



This is why that Remote Explosives should be removed from the game, or given a longer time to be placed and then blown up.

Please comment below on your thoughts on my idea

I for one have had enough of R.E's in this game. They are the most underhanded, dirtiest, and unfair weapon in this game!
Don't get me wrong, but these explosives can be useful - used in a real tactic, not just thrown right at my feet, when I'm about to
kill you, and then blowing me up. Someone tell me how is that gameplay? Instead of actually shooting it out to the death like a
true FPS, what happens? Someone who isn't even trying to fight back suddenly gets a kill because of they're cheap tricks and
dumb luck, compared to someone who's focusing on hitting them on target, getting the area clear of enemy's, and getting the
area under team control. How many times have you spawned, trying to re-hack your territory, when your sent sky-high because
of some coward that couldn't kill you face to face, but with some Remote Explosive, not even giving you a chance to fight back,
but blowing you up on spot. Now I know that some people will argue against me saying that "they just outsmarted you" or "it's
part of the game" but what's the point of a game when you have no chance? Is this what we want Dust to become? I don't!!!!!!



This is why that Remote Explosives should be removed from the game, or given a longer time to be placed and then blown up.

Please comment below on your thoughts on my idea

I take it you've never read a warning label before. There is a reason they say "don't out chap stick in your eye". Someone did it and someone will. People use things for unintended purposes all the time.

Calm down and Dust Harder.

I know as stupid as it may sound, but what if we were able to defuse/neutralize the remote explosive(s)?

I love remote explosives, cheap scout suit, add extenders, run around the map going KA BOOOOM!

That said, please bear in mind that we are balancing items based on player behaviours and forum discussions, but removing items from the game seems a tad extreme wouldn't you say?

I love remote explosives, cheap scout suit, add extenders, run around the map going KA BOOOOM!

That said, please bear in mind that we are balancing items based on player behaviours and forum discussions, but removing items from the game seems a tad extreme wouldn't you say?

Arceus if you didn't have Remote mines you would have rage quit this game long ago. It's all you ever use, except with you, you don't even wait until you're losing a gunfight.

Calm down and get some gun game.

Explosives are one of the few defences against bring crushed by a dropship or buggies. Plus they help to take on tanks. Any changes should try and retain or improve their usefulness against vehicles.

You have no idea if there will be an AV variant of the remote explosives, so cool your jets.

secondly, CCP changes things if they find something is not being used in the way they envisioned while dreaming up the game. Im sorry if that does not match the way you would like to use the RE's, but in the end, its all about CCP building the game to play in the way they want.

I'm just providing feedback; the point of the forum.

Cool your jets.

I get killed by guns all the time, lets remove those too. Oh and tanks.

Do I fire a SINGLE SMG bullet and kill you in your proto suit?
No?

I see another RE user whos worried the glitch is going bye,bye.

I think a lot of the frustration with things like RE stems from how CCP has created a game with a great deal of depth and strategy for their dropsuits. You have all this cool stuff like Shields and Armor and modules that effect them. You can make yourself into a walking tank, or go super fast and light, etc etc etc.

All this depth and strategy is nullified by some jackass who runs up and throws an RE at you, instantly killing you. All the time and SP and ISK you spent to increase your time to kill is wiped out by someone using a questionable tactic that probably wasn't intended by the devs.

The answer is not to harden up or 'get better'. Why bother getting better when you can just run around one-shotting people? Why bother spending hours and hours accruing SP and ISK when a cheap easy tactic exists that is far more effective?

This, IMHO, is the core of the issue.

Been said before, needs to be said again... People can't HTFU?

All the people crying about RE's should have played a game for the PS2 called Battlefield 2: Modern Combat and the superior version of RE's known as C4. That stuff would stick to vehicles, walls, anything really, and it only took 2 to blow up a tank. I have run into more than a few thrown-at-my-feet RE's and it always annoys me but the proposed changes seem insanely drastic. Especially considering all one need do to avoid the thrown-at-my-feet RE's is to not charge directly into the enemy in a vain attempt to murder them while being 3 inches away.

what are remote explosives for is the question, At the moment they are working as:

Claymores for infantry

Mines for Anti Vehicle

C4 for buildings stationary Vehicles.

So maybe instead of having one size fit all they should separate and have those different types of explosives because the nerf as it stands really means their only really good for infantry.

I love remote explosives, cheap scout suit, add extenders, run around the map going KA BOOOOM!

That said, please bear in mind that we are balancing items based on player behaviours and forum discussions, but removing items from the game seems a tad extreme wouldn't you say?

Unless you're in a heavy suit, in which case you have no defense at all. Running full sprint when they toss one at my feet (proto heavy suit) means death no matter what. They suck and need this coming nerf to bring them inline with SANE damage and use.

I think a lot of the frustration with things like RE stems from how CCP has created a game with a great deal of depth and strategy for their dropsuits. You have all this cool stuff like Shields and Armor and modules that effect them. You can make yourself into a walking tank, or go super fast and light, etc etc etc.

All this depth and strategy is nullified by some jackass who runs up and throws an RE at you, instantly killing you. All the time and SP and ISK you spent to increase your time to kill is wiped out by someone using a questionable tactic that probably wasn't intended by the devs.

The answer is not to harden up or 'get better'. Why bother getting better when you can just run around one-shotting people? Why bother spending hours and hours accruing SP and ISK when a cheap easy tactic exists that is far more effective?

This, IMHO, is the core of the issue.

C4 isn't thrown it is attached to the object that it is ment to destroy then detonated by remote. Adding a timer (like we have heard) should fix this issue, also making it so it can't be thrown as far as a grenade will help as well. The RE should have to be placed on the vehicle by the user, that is part of the risk/reward system.

There is no physical law in this Universe that states C4 cannot be thrown at something and then detonated.

P.S. If you have REs that can be thrown as far as a grenade can you please tell me where I can get some?

you should have learned by now how to manage / counter the tactic of the player using them. Try running them yourself.

I find my blow you the **** up tactic is less effective recently because, MOST PLAYERS, have learned and are smart enough to be mindful of the trap that is being set. They are paranoid at all times. They back up. They predict the trap placement and move just outside of what may be laying around that corner.

most of the time when I'm confronted with a player who knows how to counter my movements to blow them up, ends up in me dying and them living.

If you (or your entire group lol) can't see the the person your chasing down who is running backwards with no gun, is throwing a RE at your feet, then you are probably at fault for still deciding the chase them down.

edit: on the topic of friendly fire, yes RE should damage friendlies. It is a shame they do not.

Agreed. Remote Explosives should be placed, activated, & then remotely detonated. They should be used for future ambushes. They should NOT be used as an excuse for someone having no skill with a weapon in the middle of a gunfight to get a cheap kill. If I get killed by a remote explosive placed on a hacking location (A, B, C) then thats my fault & I respect that kill. If I get killed by a remote explosive by spawning onto it without any chance of defending myself or even moving I respect that kill as that is the developers' fault for having such a centralized spawning point. However when I get killed by a person thats losing a gunfight & decides to guarantee his victory by chucking a series of remote explosives at me thats where I draw the line.

My problem ISN'T that remote explosives exist. My problem is with people using them as grenades. If all people are going to do is just throw them as a skill-less way to get cheap kills you might as well just remove grenades & replace them with remote explosives, (the thought of being in a game where everyone has remote explosives should scare everyone). The fact that so many people that have remote explosives use their remote explosives like grenades instead of grenades like grenades should also mean something. Remote Explosives are dangerous enough by themselves without the ability to be thrown.

As far as most infuriating deaths go for me, thrown remote explosives beat out spawn kills & aircraft kills (bouncing aircraft & parked aircraft ontop of towers). Everytime I've died by a thrown remote explosive I've known I would have won that engagement had my oponent not pulled out that last second, effortless, miracle play. Well, here's to hoping for more civilized murderings in the next build.

{rant concluded}.

This thread will become more or less irrelevant when the new build comes out, which is (rumored) to be next weekend.
I'm more concerned about quickscopers, as I had my first encounter with one in Biomass on Amubsh.

I think I died the 1st week of this build from REs that's it. Cause I use common sense.

1. If your letter is getting capped DON'T SPAWN ON IT. If you don't die from an RE, you will die from a tank, shotgun or any other form of gun.

2. Don't run straight forward like a jackass towards someone. Guns have range. Use it.

3. Don't follow a guy around a corner. Go wide. Chances are it will save you in a number of situations.

Oh look you nerfed the weapons yourself.

And the reason why people use them instead of nades is because you pick when to detonate. You hit a button when you want to blow them up. You don't have to throw them and pray the enemy stands on it for 4-5 seconds.

Please let me know when the smg has more than a ten yard range

RE are used by folks with no gun game.

I love remote explosives, cheap scout suit, add extenders, run around the map going KA BOOOOM!

That said, please bear in mind that we are balancing items based on player behaviours and forum discussions, but removing items from the game seems a tad extreme wouldn't you say?

Bingo this guy is right. Don't get me wrong throwing down a RE before you die to score a kill is a cop out to me. but than again sometimes the players are dumb.

examples

1. chasing someone that has RE's dumb and i hope you get blown to hell

2. not checking ab or c before you hack it dumb BOOOM! (you can toss a grenade and it will make the RE's go boom so you dont go boom.)

The coming nerf is an ill-thought-out-knee-jerk reaction that will solve nothing other then making a weapon useless. If your thought is scout suits using them is OP due to their speed then adjusting scout speed, which is happening, is the fix. Slightly adjusting the damage RE's do so one cannot take out a heavy suit with one explosive would be another potential fix. The planned fix, however, is stupid. Simple as that.

P.S. Tech Ohm Eaven, the SMG has a much further range then 10 yards... I am, however, sure that you know this.

Smgs are secondary, carry a mil ar if you use a smg as a primary