Big enough for three cats.

As a thought since fielding troops will be an issue for CCP (meaning a max number of players on a battlefield at a time) what are peoples thoughts on corps going after clones?

For instance say for instance we have the same numbers for ambush (24 total and 12 a side). 12 people should be relatively easy to field even for smaller corps. In the true essence of EVE where money is power, why not translate funds into clones?

Example:

Both sides are even and field 12 players. This now comes down to which 12 players are better at the game. That sounds good for DUST but that isn't going to fly in EVE if this battle is for an important planet. Instead, after fielding 12 players, allow the corps to purchase clones. Now it comes down to a battle of attrition and the more powerful corporation winning. What you would see now are large corps being able to muscle the battle by supplying 100+ clones compared to the medium sized ones maybe only getting enough resources for 50. This would be a similar scenario to a low sec battle where one corp brings 100+ ships and the other corp only mustering up 50.

Money should not win battles and you should not be able to pay to win in a corp battle. Terrible idea.

If this is like EVE online then money does win battles and you do pay to win corp battles. It isn't as blatantly obvious but in EVE a corp with a lot of money will fly out in expensive decked out ships specialized for PvP compared to a less wealthy corp where most of the members would be lucky to be flying a well fitted ratting rig.

My example would be for Null sec only, it wouldn't affect low or high sec space at all.

This isn't eve online though. This is dust and ccp already said this game will not be pay to win. An elite corp battle will be full of the best gear. Sure the corp with best loadouts, teamwork, and skill will win. Money will only win corp battles if the other corp is full of scrubs with militia gear while the other team have all proto gear. Elite corp battle will be on a somewhat level field. Which is how it should be.

For me, I want as much choice and consequence as I can get. In a sea of mediocre rail and theme park games, it's refreshing to have a few games that offer choice, and more importantly, lasting consequences. I always seem to keep coming back to Eve because of those two things.

A discussion in another thread reminded me of something I've been thinking about for a few weeks, In Eve, there aren't any rules addressing how many people you can bring to a fight. Alliance brawls can have 1000+ people on one side, even if the other side only brought 50. If you want to hotdrop 5000 capitals on one PvE Drake just for the lulz, that's your prerogative. Now (AFAIK) Dust isn't going to launch with the capability to field 1000 Marauders on one side, yet. But there will be some instances where certain corps can afford to field as much as they want while other corps may be shopping the clearance isle for mercs. So far in Beta, all the matches have been pretty even with only a one or two player difference.

My question is if one side can only field a handful of Dust players, will the game still respect the sandbox and allow that battle to play out? I for one certainly hope so and expect nothing less from CCP. But I am curious what others, specifically non-Eve players think. How much of the Sandbox do you want and is there a limit (nothing wrong with limits) for some people?

You clearly don't understand how the higher end gameplay will work then. CCP have already stated that it may be possible to restock clones in just such a situation as long as there is a ship up in space to actually deliver them, so it will come down to attrition in that case. this is where the MMO aspect comes in. If you don't want to deal with that possibility then you'll be stuck in the kiddie pool that is hi-sec.

And as for the "This is not EVE" that people keep spouting, yes it is. it's a different gametype but it occupies the same universe. If you can't accept that simple fact then you will not survive long in this game.

Not pay to win in real money, they haven't said having more isk won't effect the outcome. Skill will still be a huge factor. Unskilled players in prototype gear can be killed by good players with militia. So, the amount more money can sway a battle against good players in proto will be limited. After rich side outspending on losses for weeks, the skilled underfunded side may start having to use cheaper gear. This won't be a large factor since dust gear is so much cheaper then eve gear, my expendable low sec frigates ran 20mil. I was poor in eve terms, and I still wouldn't give a 20mil frigate loss any more thought then losing a standard scout suit in dust.

Poor corps may be attacked on several fronts and only afford to defend some of them, the battles at the funded ones may not show isk difference, but the battles that are forfeited will. We won't know till sometime after release, players will manipulate system in hard to predict ways. So even the devs won't know 100% what players will do with the rules they make. If it goes to far to isk overrides all, they adjust it in next expansion.

High end corp battles will be about skill not money. ccp already stated that this game will not be pay to win. Just because you can deliver more clones does not mean that will help you win a competitive objective based game mode. Who ever holds the objectives will win and if you have to call in more clones then you more then likely already lost.

Perhaps you missed this on the DUST514 website. What's that above the DUST logo on the left hand side?

Sorry, but DUST is just a different client and gamespace to the EVE universe, like it or not. It's an expansion to the New Eden experience. DUST corps are EVE corps, mail and chat is (going to be) shared, economies will be merged. . . hmm, yeah, different game altogether.

FFS, get over it already.

Also:

ISK is not money. It's 1's and 0's in a database. Yes, you should be able to use ISK that you have earned, amassed or been provided to help win a fight. Real world works that way so why not here?

Dust 514 is part of the eve universe. Its not the same game. Its not even on the same platform. Play semantics all you want its a different game with a different name that will be interconnected with another game on PC. You sir are wrong dust 514=/=eve online and it is not pay to win. Get over it. adapt or die.

You misunderstand. Perhaps it should be phrased differently.

Resources affect the outcome of all and any battle, fictional or real.

It is not pay to win.

It is "Whoever has the most resources, has the most weapons, and has the most power wins".

So, it will be both a battle of skill and resource management.

Please close this thread lol...

Isn't it cute when they try to be all troll-ey and throw the "adapt or die" line around?

Answer me this: What does it say above that DUST logo in the upper left hand corner of the link I put int he earlier post?

You're going to be playing a game that is coded on stackless python, running on a big server cluster in London. The "game" is (going to be) the same software that is running on that server, which incidentally is the same software that the EVE players are noodling with right now. Your PS3 client is exactly that. A client. A different client that interfaces with TQ. It's not semantics.

EVE isn't pay to win. My alliance may have chipped in a giant mound of PLEX to bid on a slot in the alliance tournament, but we didn't pay cash for them. . . ISK is gathered through playing, it's another resource that is gathered in game.
If you amassed a mountain of ISK through your elite DUST gameplay and could always afford top tier gear, would that be an unfair advantage? If you could afford top tier gear and me or the other guy couldn't would that be unfair? Some call that "deeper" game play. What if I had deep pockets as an EVE player and wanted to hire the best mercs and equip them with the best gear to defend my planet against a larger foe? Would that be unfair?

In all instances, in absolute terms it's unfair, but that is what sandbox is all about. Not everything in life, or New Eden is right or fair. Sometimes you get your s-it pushed in and soemtimes you push someone else's s-it in.

Since you want to troll, take your own advice and HTFU.

This isn't eve online though. This is dust and ccp already said this game will not be pay to win. An elite corp battle will be full of the best gear. Sure the corp with best loadouts, teamwork, and skill will win. Money will only win corp battles if the other corp is full of scrubs with militia gear while the other team have all proto gear. Elite corp battle will be on a somewhat level field. Which is how it should be.

PS: love to crimson !

That link you posted is to nerdy for words. Wow, just wow. You eve players are a little bit more quirky then I had expected

Way to miss my point completely again. I was talking about high end competitive corp battles. They will be balanced because both teams will have full proto gear and weapons.

Dust=/=eve

Same universe, different names, different games, different platform. The engine is doesn't matter stop nitpicking and changing the subject.

Eve is pay to win.

Dust is not.

Adapt or die. Oh wait you can't adapt? You want to be able to buy the win. What a joke. Go buy the win on eve. dust is not eve.

The EVE universe is such a rich and interesting place it's been a shame we haven't been able to immerse ourselves deeper into it. Until today where we are witnessing the first baby steps out of space and into the place where the rest of the inhabitants of the EVE universe live. Steps which will soon be followed all the way to the ground by a link into DUST 514 and inside stations with Incarna. Our final destination being an all encompassing sci-fi simulator where you can experience any sci-fi experience you desire.

That link you posted is to nerdy for words. Wow, just wow. You eve players are a little bit more quirky then I had expected

Way to miss my point completely again. I was talking about high end competitive corp battles. They will be balanced because both teams will have full proto gear and weapons.

Dust=/=eve

Same universe, different names, different games, different platform. The engine doesn't matter stop nitpicking and changing the subject.

Eve is pay to win.

Dust is not.

Adapt or die. Oh wait you can't adapt? You want to be able to buy the win. What a joke. Go buy the win on eve. dust is not eve.

Its to bad you can't buy skill or gun game with AUR

I'mma buy a plex.

I'mma sell the plex.

I'mma outfit my whole corp with quality dropsuits and vehicles.

This isn't eve online though. This is dust and ccp already said this game will not be pay to win. An elite corp battle will be full of the best gear. Sure the corp with best loadouts, teamwork, and skill will win. Money will only win corp battles if the other corp is full of scrubs with militia gear while the other team have all proto gear. Elite corp battle will be on a somewhat level field. Which is how it should be.

but this IS eve online

did you miss the mem where EVE and dust are in the same universe? so there for they share the same rules

How did you arrive at the "fact" EVE is pay to win? Seems we had a big old debacle in that game a while back on P2W microtransactions. . .

I didn't say anything about paying cash to win. I did say that I'd like to be able to use whatever resources are available to win. If you as a purely DUST player are allowed to use ISK that is provided to you by a purely EVE player to level the playing field or have a possible advantage, wouldn't that be over all good for greater gameplay? Wouldn't that create

Crimson wen u face the blobs of the goons or the fiery of AAA guns raining down on u from orbit I hope then tht u finally realize this isn't just dust THIS IS EVE where isk can buy u anything including cheep women (exotic dancers gotta love um). So please take ur unsopported opinion back to whatever game u came from or embrace the EVE universe in all its glory where u can own large sections of the universe, lose everything to a corp thief, make drugs, shoot the police, and make some of the best friends (and enemies) u ever had.

Good day sir!

You are not even the person I was originally talking to. I didn't know I was debating with 4 or 5 people until I started to look at the names. I have no problem against trading with eve players and microtransactions. I was talking about the idea that someone posted on page one about simply buying more clones in the middle of a battle with isk to win the match. No pay to win with isk in the middle of a corp battle. This has somewhat been a misunderstanding.


You guys really like to nitpick, change the subject, and completely miss the point.

My unsupported opinion? wow and i'm the troll. You cannot buy the win with isk in high end corp battles because everyone has good gear. Thats all I was trying to say.

If dust and eve were the same game dust simply would have been another patch for eve but its not. Its a different game with a different name that will be interconnected by one universe. That is not that hard to understand.

Just because it says dust and eve on the same page does not mean they are the same game. Its not like I can play eve from dust on my console and I can't play dust from my PC. They are two separate games. Fail troll is fail.

Yes I'd say quite unsupported. I haven't seen any other poster yet back u up, wen I do I will retract my statement about ur unsupported opinion. Also I'd like to defend the op since ur making a big deal about subject changing. Yes I absolutely believe tht in hi end corporation matches u should absolutely be able to buy more clones provided there is an Eve ship in orbit supplying the clones. I think others would agree with me. This is the same thing as having a carrier (thts one of the largest logistics ships in Eve just so u know crimson) drop off ships for the players who just lost their ship in large scale battle.

My unsupported opinion? wow and i'm the troll. You cannot buy the win with isk in high end corp battles because everyone has good gear. Thats all I was trying to say.

If dust and eve were the same game dust simply would have been another patch for eve but its not. Its a different game with a different name that will be interconnected by one universe. That is not that hard to understand.

Just because it says dust and eve on the same page does not mean they are the same game. Its not like I can play eve from dust on my console and I can't play dust from my PC. They are two separate games. Fail troll is fail.

I have 61 likes. Some people support my opinions. High end competitive corp battles should be about who is better not who has more isk. I shouldn't even have to explain why. You obviously know nothing about competitive fps. I feel like i'm in the twilight zone and im in a alternate universe where no one understands how competitive fps works. What is wrong with you people?

I have 61 likes. Some people support my opinions. corp battles should be about who is better not who has more isk. I shouldn't even have to explain why. You obviously know nothing about competitive fps.

You're referring to competative fps where the only thing you're competing for is who is the biggest score *****. In Dust you will be competing for stuff that will make you and your allies large amounts of isk. In that respect you're l33t kdr means sweet **** all if you can't put wins on the board. The win is ALL that matters to your employers. I don't understand why this concept is so hard for people to understand.

I have 61 likes. Some people support my opinions. High end competitive corp battles should be about who is better not who has more isk. I shouldn't even have to explain why. You obviously know nothing about competitive fps. I feel like i'm in the twilight zone and im in a alternate universe where no one understands how competitive fps works. What is wrong with you people?

The core of the game, the auto-matches based on Skirmish or Ambush or whatever game modes, needs to be balanced as well as possible. That's what most players will occupy their time with, and if it isn't balanced at all, it won't be fun, and people won't stick around long enough for corp wars stuff.

But yeah, otherwise I'd say it should be like WoT Clan Matches. You bring whatever you want, up to the max number of players. If the other team can't muster anything more than a couple guys in traktors, then they lose and tough **** for them, only ZERG clans need apply.

oooo 61

179

now wut?

fixd

So you would rather have this game be zerg>skill. That is really weak.

The fans will ruin this game if they get the chance. Mark my words. CCP if you listen to some of these eve players ideas and give them the imbalances they want there will be 3000 people playing your game 6 months from now. This is a console game not eve online. Eve is all about imbalance. Dust cannot be if it wants be a success.

The fans will ruin this game if they get the chance. Mark my words. CCP if you listen to some of these eve players ideas and give them the imbalances they want there will be 3000 people playing your game 6 months from now. This is a console game not eve online. Eve is all about imbalance. Dust cannot be if it wants be a success.

/facepalm

war is not an e-sport.

Yeah, CCP is so fail at designing immersive multiplayer games. . .nnone will be around in six months. . oh wait.

And if EVE, a game you admit is about imbalance has a direct effect on DUST, then DUST is imbalanced by it's interaction and shared gamespace. You then have to assume you want to "balance" EVE so that your DUST experience can be equally fair. You ain't nerfing my side of the sandbox controller boy.. . .Despite CCP saying that DUST is not going to be about leader boards, KD/R etc, but "meaningful" battles, you still ain't picking up what they are putting down. . .

No one said anything about zerg, which I find your use of the term f-king hilarious, since it comes from a RTS game. . .

Yeah, CCP is so fail at designing immersive multiplayer games. . .nnone will be around in six months. . oh wait.

And if EVE, a game you admit is about imbalance has a direct effect on DUST, then DUST is imbalanced by it's interaction and shared gamespace. You then have to assume you want to "balance" EVE so that your DUST experience can be equally fair. You ain't nerfing my side of the sandbox controller boy.. . .Despite CCP saying that DUST is not going to be about leader boards, KD/R etc, but "meaningful" battles, you still ain't picking up what they are putting down. . .

No one said anything about zerg, which I find your use of the term f-king hilarious, since it comes from a RTS game. . .

I never said nerf your side of the sandbox. If you are looking for a troll, look no further. Find a mirror.

Just because eve is successful on PC does not mean that dust will be on console. Console is a whole different ballpark.

This one thousand fold if u had ur way crimson u would destroy eve and eve players will not allow tht to happen I think the Jita riots proved tht.

You figured me out I am here to nerf imbalance and destroy eve single handedly

Way to miss my point completely again. I was talking about high end competitive corp battles. They will be balanced because both teams will have full proto gear and weapons.

Crimson u have marched in to a world I do think u have begun to understand. if u allow for dust Mercs to affect the sovereignty of eve but do not allow eve players to affect the outcome of a battle tht would change sovereignty then yes u are destroying eve. Let me explain sovereignty for u so u can better understand. Sovereignty is owning a part of space corps and alliances seek to gain sovereignty to gain valuable resources so they can make bigger harder ships and then in turn make isk via ratting or seek out more sovereignty. Therefore if u allow dust mercs to change this but don't let eve players change the course of the battle then u are destroying my game.

lol any MAG vet here on these forums > any EVE players' opinion

i hope the devs read this too because they'll come to see it's true.

No, you are wrong, unable to make an argument that you can back up, and too damn proud to admit it or come to an agreement or synthesis.

syn-+the-+sis [sin-thuh-sis] noun

4.Philosophy . the third stage of argument in Hegelian dialectic, which reconciles the mutually contradictory first two propositions, thesis and antithesis.



"High end competitive corp battles" will be 0.0. Period dot. That is where ten eyars of drama has all come from, barring some of the great scams and ponzi schemes that were run. Your concept of what EVE nullsec is like and about is naive to say the least. Your precious corp battles will be fought in null eventually and it will very convoluted and unfair. It's all about who ever can be more unfair. There have been alliances who have DDOSed the opposing sides Teamspeak for god's sake. . .

You are such a smug troll get over yourself.

The everything in this thread are so that dust will not fail on console after release because it is to imbalanced. It will drive console players away if ccp listens to all the eve players and caters to them as much as they want. Your to thick to get that through your head. You just think Im trying to ruin eve. You are insane

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4] The noun troll may refer to the provocative message itself, as in: "That was an excellent troll you posted."

Look ur little balanced game tht u want ccp will include it in hi-sec warfare and most likely even in corporate low sec warfare but if u want to play with the big boys of eve u better be prepared for us to ruin ur day either with a whole lot of metal and plasma rain, or some other form of reinforcement such as clones. Period.

It's not my intent to be inflammatory. I didn't start off topic, and my intent is not to provoke an emotional response. It's was to further a meaningful discussion to resupplying during combat ops in DUST. You dragged the conversation off topic.

You have repeatedly reacted to every piece of information I have tried to supply that showed you were either in ignorance or incorrect about what you were saying as though it were a personal attack. Instead of making valid arguments or backing up your assertions with anything more than opinion, you have made responses which are inflammatory in nature.

You personally do not have the power to destroy a MMO that has been running for ten years, but what you do have is ignorance about that MMO, and the fact that you will be playing an active part in it in DUST, as repeatedly stated by the Devs and even Hilmar himself. I am very sure that your intent is not to "destroy EVE." However you adamantly refuse to acknowledge that DUST is anything more than "CoD with lazors", which is demonstrably not the intent of CCP.

A shared gamespace cannot be treated as separate games, especially when the "senior game" is the one that has supported the development of the "junior" one.

Also, I doubt you speak for every console player.

I'm not going to sit here and explain to the reason why spawning in more clone reserves constantly will be a huge fail in a console fps. You obviously know nothing about how mmofps work and you are a waste of my time. Dust will fail if ccp listens to idiots like this.

Crimson, you really just don't get it. This argument isn't about one fight, it's about war fighting. I know for a fact that no game you have ever played has ever had the sorts of wars that exist in New Eden.

You know what Jarre, I give up. It's late and it's time for a shower and bed.

We tried.

Good night.

How much sandbox? ALL THE SANDBOX

This isn't eve online though. This is dust and ccp already said this game will not be pay to win. An elite corp battle will be full of the best gear. Sure the corp with best loadouts, teamwork, and skill will win. Money will only win corp battles if the other corp is full of scrubs with militia gear while the other team have all proto gear. Elite corp battle will be on a somewhat level field. Which is how it should be.

You have been trolling since page one. All you do is nitpick, change the subject, and miss the point. Go to bed evetard.

The truth is you want to be able to buy the win in corp battles because you have no skill at the actual fps portion of the game. You want to be able to send all your eve money to yourself in dust so you can simply spawn in as many clones as you want and never lose.

Its pathetic.

You are a joke

To bad you can't buy gun game with AUR.

You have been trolling since page one. All you do is nitpick, change the subject, and miss the point. Go to bed evetard.

The truth is you want to be able to buy the win in corp battles because you have no skill at the actual fps portion of the game. You want to be able to send all your eve money to yourself in dust so you can simply spawn in as many clones as you want and never lose.

Its pathetic.

You are a joke

To bad you can't buy gun game with AUR.

Nocure, 2190 days in 9years since EvE started? I hope you are asking yourself some questions... It's 2/3 of your life. I assume you gave up sleeping to continue a normal existence :) If anyone says EvE players aren't hardcore, I'll be pointing you out. Dedication.
The guys who spen most time on MAG ever had over 5000 hours. I think there were only 2, a few on 4000. Most people didn't stick with MAG long enough though to start doing 32 v 32 battles, let alone 64 vs 64.

This is not eve. Sorry this game is called dust 514. Eve online is pc game. You are obviously confused.

High end corp battles will be about skill not money. ccp already stated that this game will not be pay to win. Just because you can deliver more clones does not mean that will help you win a competitive objective based game mode. Who ever holds the objectives will win and if you have to call in more clones then you more then likely already lost.

I think Dust is capable of catering to both Competitive and Strategic playstyles. Faction warfare seems perfect for the competitive player who wants skill to trump all, while nullsec is no-holds-barred wild west on steroids.

Faction warfare should be one of many places a Dust player, along with his or her corp, can get straight into a fight without having to worry about alliance politics and the price of tritanium in Dodixie. You just log in, form a group, and r@pe face.


In Nullsec, Logistics wins wars. Skill is important, obviously, but you're not going to facetank your Welpcane or Moros with 1000 people shooting you while you're 32 jumps away from your home system and the nearest trade hub. You can't press F1 hard enough to avoid the fact you're going to lose that ship. Multiply that times every other player in Null. If your alliance has no way of replacing those ships and the fittings it requires, then they're done.

And let's be clear, Logistics isn't some candyass pop up message that asks "Do you want to replace that Tornado?" Logistics is cramming a Providence or Ark to the rafters with ammo, ships, POS modules, POS fuel and every other thing your corp needs and hauling it all back to your staging area. That entails sending out scouts and Cyno-fit ships to jump you through several potentially hostile Nullsec systems, a few completely hostile and gate-camped lowsec systems, and finally slowboat your way to Jita or some other trade hub so you can drop a few dozen or a few hundred billion to buy all the sh*t. Then you haul it back the way you came, hoping your scouts aren't morons and missed someone in local. Then you do this several times a week. Dust should be no different. There should be consequences for poor planning and resource management.

If a Dust commander loses all his clones and gets a popup message that allows him to buy 60 more clones then I'm going to be pissed. That's not sandbox, that's hand holding and it doesn't belong in Eve. However, if that commander decided beforehand to cram his War Barge with extra clone units (and consequently fewer Marauders due to space constraints) to be dropped during a prolonged siege, then I can live with that. If he wants to bring even more...fine..so long as I have a chance to turn his Provi into a loot pinata before those clone units arrive. That's just my opinion.

it wasnt till this thread that i truly realized the ignorance some MAG gamers and the large majority of non EVE gamers. they have 100% failed to realize the main underlying premise of Dust, in the end, IT WILL NOT BE BALANCED. Welcome to the EVE universe, **** your balance.

you want a balanced fight? be a high-sec carebare QQer, and do not try and mess with what the devs are making, you will just be trolled, blacklisted, and killed for fun adn sport.

I think Dust is capable of catering to both Competitive and Strategic playstyles. Faction warfare seems perfect for the competitive player who wants skill to trump all, while nullsec is no-holds-barred wild west on steroids.

Faction warfare should be one of many places a Dust player, along with his or her corp, can get straight into a fight without having to worry about alliance politics and the price of tritanium in Dodixie. You just log in, form a group, and r@pe face.


In Nullsec, Logistics wins wars. Skill is important, obviously, but you're not going to facetank your Welpcane or Moros with 1000 people shooting you while you're 32 jumps away from your home system and the nearest trade hub. You can't press F1 hard enough to avoid the fact you're going to lose that ship. Multiply that times every other player in Null. If your alliance has no way of replacing those ships and the fittings it requires, then they're done.

And let's be clear, Logistics isn't some candyass pop up message that asks "Do you want to replace that Tornado?" Logistics is cramming a Providence or Ark to the rafters with ammo, ships, POS modules, POS fuel and every other thing your corp needs and hauling it all back to your staging area. That entails sending out scouts and Cyno-fit ships to jump you through several potentially hostile Nullsec systems, a few completely hostile and gate-camped lowsec systems, and finally slowboat your way to Jita or some other trade hub so you can drop a few dozen or a few hundred billion to buy all the sh*t. Then you haul it back the way you came, hoping your scouts aren't morons and missed someone in local. Then you do this several times a week. Dust should be no different. There should be consequences for poor planning and resource management.

If a Dust commander loses all his clones and gets a popup message that allows him to buy 60 more clones then I'm going to be pissed. That's not sandbox, that's hand holding and it doesn't belong in Eve. However, if that commander decided beforehand to cram his War Barge with extra clone units (and consequently fewer Marauders due to space constraints) to be dropped during a prolonged siege, then I can live with that. If he wants to bring even more...fine..so long as I have a chance to turn his Provi into a loot pinata before those clone units arrive. That's just my opinion.

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@Abron
Great post. Faction war will be awesome. Think of all those low sec pirates, they might have juicey war barge targets and such to plunder. Loaded with booty :)
Edit:
Highsec will be simple,
Low sec you will probably need 1 EvE player on board,
Null sec give up. Waste of time fighting for stuff some eve guys will make worthless using market manipulation. Because they can. And provided they have the right skills, they can ruin your economy while they strike you. Yeah, fun being a grunt out there.

The ability to build a Sand Castle

Thats all the sandbox goodness i need

Nocure, 2190 days in 9years since EvE started? I hope you are asking yourself some questions... It's 2/3 of your life. I assume you gave up sleeping to continue a normal existence :) If anyone says EvE players aren't hardcore, I'll be pointing you out. Dedication.
The guys who spen most time on MAG ever had over 5000 hours. I think there were only 2, a few on 4000. Most people didn't stick with MAG long enough though to start doing 32 v 32 battles, let alone 64 vs 64.

If a Dust commander loses all his clones and gets a popup message that allows him to buy 60 more clones then I'm going to be pissed. That's not sandbox, that's hand holding and it doesn't belong in Eve. However, if that commander decided beforehand to cram his War Barge with extra clone units (and consequently fewer Marauders due to space constraints) to be dropped during a prolonged siege, then I can live with that. If he wants to bring even more...fine..so long as I have a chance to turn his Provi into a loot pinata before those clone units arrive. That's just my opinion.

@Abron
Great post. Faction war will be awesome. Think of all those low sec pirates, they might have juicey war barge targets and such to plunder. Loaded with booty :)
Edit:
Highsec will be simple,
Low sec you will probably need 1 EvE player on board,
Null sec give up. Waste of time fighting for stuff some eve guys will make worthless using market manipulation. Because they can. And provided they have the right skills, they can ruin your economy while they strike you. Yeah, fun being a grunt out there.