How did you arrive at the "fact" EVE is pay to win? Seems we had a big old debacle in that game a while back on P2W microtransactions. . .

I didn't say anything about paying cash to win. I did say that I'd like to be able to use whatever resources are available to win. If you as a purely DUST player are allowed to use ISK that is provided to you by a purely EVE player to level the playing field or have a possible advantage, wouldn't that be over all good for greater gameplay? Wouldn't that create

Crimson wen u face the blobs of the goons or the fiery of AAA guns raining down on u from orbit I hope then tht u finally realize this isn't just dust THIS IS EVE where isk can buy u anything including cheep women (exotic dancers gotta love um). So please take ur unsopported opinion back to whatever game u came from or embrace the EVE universe in all its glory where u can own large sections of the universe, lose everything to a corp thief, make drugs, shoot the police, and make some of the best friends (and enemies) u ever had.

Good day sir!

You are not even the person I was originally talking to. I didn't know I was debating with 4 or 5 people until I started to look at the names. I have no problem against trading with eve players and microtransactions. I was talking about the idea that someone posted on page one about simply buying more clones in the middle of a battle with isk to win the match. No pay to win with isk in the middle of a corp battle. This has somewhat been a misunderstanding.


You guys really like to nitpick, change the subject, and completely miss the point.

My unsupported opinion? wow and i'm the troll. You cannot buy the win with isk in high end corp battles because everyone has good gear. Thats all I was trying to say.

If dust and eve were the same game dust simply would have been another patch for eve but its not. Its a different game with a different name that will be interconnected by one universe. That is not that hard to understand.

Just because it says dust and eve on the same page does not mean they are the same game. Its not like I can play eve from dust on my console and I can't play dust from my PC. They are two separate games. Fail troll is fail.

Yes I'd say quite unsupported. I haven't seen any other poster yet back u up, wen I do I will retract my statement about ur unsupported opinion. Also I'd like to defend the op since ur making a big deal about subject changing. Yes I absolutely believe tht in hi end corporation matches u should absolutely be able to buy more clones provided there is an Eve ship in orbit supplying the clones. I think others would agree with me. This is the same thing as having a carrier (thts one of the largest logistics ships in Eve just so u know crimson) drop off ships for the players who just lost their ship in large scale battle.

My unsupported opinion? wow and i'm the troll. You cannot buy the win with isk in high end corp battles because everyone has good gear. Thats all I was trying to say.

If dust and eve were the same game dust simply would have been another patch for eve but its not. Its a different game with a different name that will be interconnected by one universe. That is not that hard to understand.

Just because it says dust and eve on the same page does not mean they are the same game. Its not like I can play eve from dust on my console and I can't play dust from my PC. They are two separate games. Fail troll is fail.

I have 61 likes. Some people support my opinions. High end competitive corp battles should be about who is better not who has more isk. I shouldn't even have to explain why. You obviously know nothing about competitive fps. I feel like i'm in the twilight zone and im in a alternate universe where no one understands how competitive fps works. What is wrong with you people?

I have 61 likes. Some people support my opinions. corp battles should be about who is better not who has more isk. I shouldn't even have to explain why. You obviously know nothing about competitive fps.

You're referring to competative fps where the only thing you're competing for is who is the biggest score *****. In Dust you will be competing for stuff that will make you and your allies large amounts of isk. In that respect you're l33t kdr means sweet **** all if you can't put wins on the board. The win is ALL that matters to your employers. I don't understand why this concept is so hard for people to understand.

I have 61 likes. Some people support my opinions. High end competitive corp battles should be about who is better not who has more isk. I shouldn't even have to explain why. You obviously know nothing about competitive fps. I feel like i'm in the twilight zone and im in a alternate universe where no one understands how competitive fps works. What is wrong with you people?

The core of the game, the auto-matches based on Skirmish or Ambush or whatever game modes, needs to be balanced as well as possible. That's what most players will occupy their time with, and if it isn't balanced at all, it won't be fun, and people won't stick around long enough for corp wars stuff.

But yeah, otherwise I'd say it should be like WoT Clan Matches. You bring whatever you want, up to the max number of players. If the other team can't muster anything more than a couple guys in traktors, then they lose and tough **** for them, only ZERG clans need apply.

oooo 61

179

now wut?

fixd

So you would rather have this game be zerg>skill. That is really weak.

The fans will ruin this game if they get the chance. Mark my words. CCP if you listen to some of these eve players ideas and give them the imbalances they want there will be 3000 people playing your game 6 months from now. This is a console game not eve online. Eve is all about imbalance. Dust cannot be if it wants be a success.

The fans will ruin this game if they get the chance. Mark my words. CCP if you listen to some of these eve players ideas and give them the imbalances they want there will be 3000 people playing your game 6 months from now. This is a console game not eve online. Eve is all about imbalance. Dust cannot be if it wants be a success.

/facepalm

war is not an e-sport.

Yeah, CCP is so fail at designing immersive multiplayer games. . .nnone will be around in six months. . oh wait.

And if EVE, a game you admit is about imbalance has a direct effect on DUST, then DUST is imbalanced by it's interaction and shared gamespace. You then have to assume you want to "balance" EVE so that your DUST experience can be equally fair. You ain't nerfing my side of the sandbox controller boy.. . .Despite CCP saying that DUST is not going to be about leader boards, KD/R etc, but "meaningful" battles, you still ain't picking up what they are putting down. . .

No one said anything about zerg, which I find your use of the term f-king hilarious, since it comes from a RTS game. . .

Yeah, CCP is so fail at designing immersive multiplayer games. . .nnone will be around in six months. . oh wait.

And if EVE, a game you admit is about imbalance has a direct effect on DUST, then DUST is imbalanced by it's interaction and shared gamespace. You then have to assume you want to "balance" EVE so that your DUST experience can be equally fair. You ain't nerfing my side of the sandbox controller boy.. . .Despite CCP saying that DUST is not going to be about leader boards, KD/R etc, but "meaningful" battles, you still ain't picking up what they are putting down. . .

No one said anything about zerg, which I find your use of the term f-king hilarious, since it comes from a RTS game. . .

I never said nerf your side of the sandbox. If you are looking for a troll, look no further. Find a mirror.

Just because eve is successful on PC does not mean that dust will be on console. Console is a whole different ballpark.

This one thousand fold if u had ur way crimson u would destroy eve and eve players will not allow tht to happen I think the Jita riots proved tht.

You figured me out I am here to nerf imbalance and destroy eve single handedly

Way to miss my point completely again. I was talking about high end competitive corp battles. They will be balanced because both teams will have full proto gear and weapons.

Crimson u have marched in to a world I do think u have begun to understand. if u allow for dust Mercs to affect the sovereignty of eve but do not allow eve players to affect the outcome of a battle tht would change sovereignty then yes u are destroying eve. Let me explain sovereignty for u so u can better understand. Sovereignty is owning a part of space corps and alliances seek to gain sovereignty to gain valuable resources so they can make bigger harder ships and then in turn make isk via ratting or seek out more sovereignty. Therefore if u allow dust mercs to change this but don't let eve players change the course of the battle then u are destroying my game.

lol any MAG vet here on these forums > any EVE players' opinion

i hope the devs read this too because they'll come to see it's true.

No, you are wrong, unable to make an argument that you can back up, and too damn proud to admit it or come to an agreement or synthesis.

syn-+the-+sis [sin-thuh-sis] noun

4.Philosophy . the third stage of argument in Hegelian dialectic, which reconciles the mutually contradictory first two propositions, thesis and antithesis.



"High end competitive corp battles" will be 0.0. Period dot. That is where ten eyars of drama has all come from, barring some of the great scams and ponzi schemes that were run. Your concept of what EVE nullsec is like and about is naive to say the least. Your precious corp battles will be fought in null eventually and it will very convoluted and unfair. It's all about who ever can be more unfair. There have been alliances who have DDOSed the opposing sides Teamspeak for god's sake. . .

You are such a smug troll get over yourself.

The everything in this thread are so that dust will not fail on console after release because it is to imbalanced. It will drive console players away if ccp listens to all the eve players and caters to them as much as they want. Your to thick to get that through your head. You just think Im trying to ruin eve. You are insane

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4] The noun troll may refer to the provocative message itself, as in: "That was an excellent troll you posted."

Look ur little balanced game tht u want ccp will include it in hi-sec warfare and most likely even in corporate low sec warfare but if u want to play with the big boys of eve u better be prepared for us to ruin ur day either with a whole lot of metal and plasma rain, or some other form of reinforcement such as clones. Period.