As a thought since fielding troops will be an issue for CCP (meaning a max number of players on a battlefield at a time) what are peoples thoughts on corps going after clones?

For instance say for instance we have the same numbers for ambush (24 total and 12 a side). 12 people should be relatively easy to field even for smaller corps. In the true essence of EVE where money is power, why not translate funds into clones?

Example:

Both sides are even and field 12 players. This now comes down to which 12 players are better at the game. That sounds good for DUST but that isn't going to fly in EVE if this battle is for an important planet. Instead, after fielding 12 players, allow the corps to purchase clones. Now it comes down to a battle of attrition and the more powerful corporation winning. What you would see now are large corps being able to muscle the battle by supplying 100+ clones compared to the medium sized ones maybe only getting enough resources for 50. This would be a similar scenario to a low sec battle where one corp brings 100+ ships and the other corp only mustering up 50.

If this is like EVE online then money does win battles and you do pay to win corp battles. It isn't as blatantly obvious but in EVE a corp with a lot of money will fly out in expensive decked out ships specialized for PvP compared to a less wealthy corp where most of the members would be lucky to be flying a well fitted ratting rig.

My example would be for Null sec only, it wouldn't affect low or high sec space at all.

You clearly don't understand how the higher end gameplay will work then. CCP have already stated that it may be possible to restock clones in just such a situation as long as there is a ship up in space to actually deliver them, so it will come down to attrition in that case. this is where the MMO aspect comes in. If you don't want to deal with that possibility then you'll be stuck in the kiddie pool that is hi-sec.

And as for the "This is not EVE" that people keep spouting, yes it is. it's a different gametype but it occupies the same universe. If you can't accept that simple fact then you will not survive long in this game.

Not pay to win in real money, they haven't said having more isk won't effect the outcome. Skill will still be a huge factor. Unskilled players in prototype gear can be killed by good players with militia. So, the amount more money can sway a battle against good players in proto will be limited. After rich side outspending on losses for weeks, the skilled underfunded side may start having to use cheaper gear. This won't be a large factor since dust gear is so much cheaper then eve gear, my expendable low sec frigates ran 20mil. I was poor in eve terms, and I still wouldn't give a 20mil frigate loss any more thought then losing a standard scout suit in dust.

Poor corps may be attacked on several fronts and only afford to defend some of them, the battles at the funded ones may not show isk difference, but the battles that are forfeited will. We won't know till sometime after release, players will manipulate system in hard to predict ways. So even the devs won't know 100% what players will do with the rules they make. If it goes to far to isk overrides all, they adjust it in next expansion.

Perhaps you missed this on the DUST514 website. What's that above the DUST logo on the left hand side?

Sorry, but DUST is just a different client and gamespace to the EVE universe, like it or not. It's an expansion to the New Eden experience. DUST corps are EVE corps, mail and chat is (going to be) shared, economies will be merged. . . hmm, yeah, different game altogether.

FFS, get over it already.

Also:

ISK is not money. It's 1's and 0's in a database. Yes, you should be able to use ISK that you have earned, amassed or been provided to help win a fight. Real world works that way so why not here?

Isn't it cute when they try to be all troll-ey and throw the "adapt or die" line around?

Answer me this: What does it say above that DUST logo in the upper left hand corner of the link I put int he earlier post?

You're going to be playing a game that is coded on stackless python, running on a big server cluster in London. The "game" is (going to be) the same software that is running on that server, which incidentally is the same software that the EVE players are noodling with right now. Your PS3 client is exactly that. A client. A different client that interfaces with TQ. It's not semantics.

EVE isn't pay to win. My alliance may have chipped in a giant mound of PLEX to bid on a slot in the alliance tournament, but we didn't pay cash for them. . . ISK is gathered through playing, it's another resource that is gathered in game.
If you amassed a mountain of ISK through your elite DUST gameplay and could always afford top tier gear, would that be an unfair advantage? If you could afford top tier gear and me or the other guy couldn't would that be unfair? Some call that "deeper" game play. What if I had deep pockets as an EVE player and wanted to hire the best mercs and equip them with the best gear to defend my planet against a larger foe? Would that be unfair?

In all instances, in absolute terms it's unfair, but that is what sandbox is all about. Not everything in life, or New Eden is right or fair. Sometimes you get your s-it pushed in and soemtimes you push someone else's s-it in.

Since you want to troll, take your own advice and HTFU.

PS: love to crimson !

How did you arrive at the "fact" EVE is pay to win? Seems we had a big old debacle in that game a while back on P2W microtransactions. . .

I didn't say anything about paying cash to win. I did say that I'd like to be able to use whatever resources are available to win. If you as a purely DUST player are allowed to use ISK that is provided to you by a purely EVE player to level the playing field or have a possible advantage, wouldn't that be over all good for greater gameplay? Wouldn't that create

Crimson wen u face the blobs of the goons or the fiery of AAA guns raining down on u from orbit I hope then tht u finally realize this isn't just dust THIS IS EVE where isk can buy u anything including cheep women (exotic dancers gotta love um). So please take ur unsopported opinion back to whatever game u came from or embrace the EVE universe in all its glory where u can own large sections of the universe, lose everything to a corp thief, make drugs, shoot the police, and make some of the best friends (and enemies) u ever had.

Good day sir!

Yes I'd say quite unsupported. I haven't seen any other poster yet back u up, wen I do I will retract my statement about ur unsupported opinion. Also I'd like to defend the op since ur making a big deal about subject changing. Yes I absolutely believe tht in hi end corporation matches u should absolutely be able to buy more clones provided there is an Eve ship in orbit supplying the clones. I think others would agree with me. This is the same thing as having a carrier (thts one of the largest logistics ships in Eve just so u know crimson) drop off ships for the players who just lost their ship in large scale battle.

The core of the game, the auto-matches based on Skirmish or Ambush or whatever game modes, needs to be balanced as well as possible. That's what most players will occupy their time with, and if it isn't balanced at all, it won't be fun, and people won't stick around long enough for corp wars stuff.

But yeah, otherwise I'd say it should be like WoT Clan Matches. You bring whatever you want, up to the max number of players. If the other team can't muster anything more than a couple guys in traktors, then they lose and tough **** for them, only ZERG clans need apply.

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Yeah, CCP is so fail at designing immersive multiplayer games. . .nnone will be around in six months. . oh wait.

And if EVE, a game you admit is about imbalance has a direct effect on DUST, then DUST is imbalanced by it's interaction and shared gamespace. You then have to assume you want to "balance" EVE so that your DUST experience can be equally fair. You ain't nerfing my side of the sandbox controller boy.. . .Despite CCP saying that DUST is not going to be about leader boards, KD/R etc, but "meaningful" battles, you still ain't picking up what they are putting down. . .

No one said anything about zerg, which I find your use of the term f-king hilarious, since it comes from a RTS game. . .

This one thousand fold if u had ur way crimson u would destroy eve and eve players will not allow tht to happen I think the Jita riots proved tht.

No, you are wrong, unable to make an argument that you can back up, and too damn proud to admit it or come to an agreement or synthesis.

syn-+the-+sis [sin-thuh-sis] noun

4.Philosophy . the third stage of argument in Hegelian dialectic, which reconciles the mutually contradictory first two propositions, thesis and antithesis.



"High end competitive corp battles" will be 0.0. Period dot. That is where ten eyars of drama has all come from, barring some of the great scams and ponzi schemes that were run. Your concept of what EVE nullsec is like and about is naive to say the least. Your precious corp battles will be fought in null eventually and it will very convoluted and unfair. It's all about who ever can be more unfair. There have been alliances who have DDOSed the opposing sides Teamspeak for god's sake. . .

It's not my intent to be inflammatory. I didn't start off topic, and my intent is not to provoke an emotional response. It's was to further a meaningful discussion to resupplying during combat ops in DUST. You dragged the conversation off topic.

You have repeatedly reacted to every piece of information I have tried to supply that showed you were either in ignorance or incorrect about what you were saying as though it were a personal attack. Instead of making valid arguments or backing up your assertions with anything more than opinion, you have made responses which are inflammatory in nature.

You personally do not have the power to destroy a MMO that has been running for ten years, but what you do have is ignorance about that MMO, and the fact that you will be playing an active part in it in DUST, as repeatedly stated by the Devs and even Hilmar himself. I am very sure that your intent is not to "destroy EVE." However you adamantly refuse to acknowledge that DUST is anything more than "CoD with lazors", which is demonstrably not the intent of CCP.

A shared gamespace cannot be treated as separate games, especially when the "senior game" is the one that has supported the development of the "junior" one.

Also, I doubt you speak for every console player.

Crimson, you really just don't get it. This argument isn't about one fight, it's about war fighting. I know for a fact that no game you have ever played has ever had the sorts of wars that exist in New Eden.

You know what Jarre, I give up. It's late and it's time for a shower and bed.

We tried.

Good night.